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PIS councillor wants to censor Poland's history book


Harry
22 May 2017 #1
Another day and another example of PIS's finest trying to rewrite history. This time it's up in Bialystok, which is a town that has more problems with racism than normal in Poland. The councillor in question objects to a graphic book about the life of LL Zamenhof including information about the 1906 pogrom in Bialystok in which 88 Jews were murdered. You can see the two pictures which he objects to here: bialystok.onet.pl/radny-pis-nie-zgadza-sie-na-komiks-z-pogromami-zydow/1mj5ly3

There's an English-language article about this here: forward.com/news/breaking-news/372534/polish-alderman-wants-pogrom-s-reference-deleted-from-historical-graphic-no/

Personally I find this to be utterly disgusting but entirely what we can expect from the PiSlamic State. The idiot who is calling for this censorship is going as far as claiming that Poles have never been anti-semitic (source plus.poranny.pl/wiadomosci/a/radny-pis-marek-chojnowski-mam-dosc-polacy-nigdy-nie-byli-antysemitami,12076846) when the reality very well known to be that some Poles were/are violently anti-semitic, as shown by events such as the 1906 pogrom he wants to be airbrushed from history (while of course some Poles risked or even gave their lives to protect Jews).
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
22 May 2017 #2
1906 pogrom in Bialystok in

Except PiSlamic Harry is out of luck because he can't engage in his favourite hobby, Poland-bashing, on this one. In that Muscovite-occupied region its was tsarist scum and their Cossack henchmen that carried out the pogroms. Tough luck, Charlie!
Ironside 50 | 11,041
22 May 2017 #3
The councillor in question objects to a graphic book about the life of LL Zamenhof

Rightly so. Why would a polish taxpayer sponsor some work that has little to do with Zamanhof and everything with myths and lies about Poles perpetuated by all kind of scum and fools.
OP Harry
22 May 2017 #4
Why would a polish taxpayer sponsor some work that has little to do with Zamanhof

Because the 1906 and 1905 pogroms were driving forces in his efforts to promote his language as a way to bring peace and to combat anti-semitism. I see that a little more studying of history can be beneficial to some people.

In that Muscovite-occupied region its was tsarist scum and their Cossack henchmen that carried out the pogroms.

That's your claim. The JTA says otherwise, they say the pogrom was carried out by Bialystok residents and they don't have a reputation for trotting out the Party line no matter what the truth is.

Personally I'd say that some Poles from Bialystok risked their lives to save Jews during the pogroms, while other Poles joined in with the pogrom. \

Except PiSlamic Harry is out of luck because he can't engage in his favourite hobby, Poland-bashing

Oh look, off-topic ad hom trolling, how unusual.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
22 May 2017 #5
The JTA says otherwise

The JTA are notorioius for theirs rabidly one-sided pro-Semitic pro-PiSraeli reporting from the word go.
jon357 67 | 16,905
22 May 2017 #6
the pogrom was carried out by Bialystok residents

Quite. It was very well-documented at the time and researched since. This is just another case of historical revision in the style of the PRL.

Essential not to normalise this, however of course the more they do it, the bigger the backlash.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
22 May 2017 #7
The JTA

Since we're going back more than a century, when was the last time the PiSraeli Jewish Traitors Association (JTA) wrote about how Polish Jewry welcomed the stab-in-the-back Soviet invasion of 1939, setting upon ceremonial flower-bedecked arches and greeting the enemy with bread and salt? When was the last time they exlpained had the Judenräte (Councils of Jewish elders) aided the Nazis by giving them the names and addresses of local Jews, and how the Jüdischer Ordnungsdienst (Jewish police serving the Nazi occupation forces) were even more ruthless toward their fellow-Jews than the Germans. It's best to cite more reliable soruces than thre JTA,
Ironside 50 | 11,041
22 May 2017 #8
Because the 1906 and 1905 pogroms were driving forces in his efforts to promote his language

Says who? By the way it would be much better for people to learn a local lingo?
He had an idea which is interesting and his artificial language a kind of achievement but as a mean to an end ( a better communication between people) it failed spectacularly.

the pogrom was carried out by Bialystok residents

I see you're in a business of dividing people, antagonising them and generally being a nasty pain in the butt. I wouldn't mind so much if not for the fact that you evidently enjoy immensely that role.

As for those residents and their alleged role in some past deeds. I advice you to get in touch with them ( maybe some spiritual séance would be in order) and admonish them right then and there Good luck with that.

I don't understand why would you pester folks that have nothing to do with some Russian pogrom with your silly nonsense.
jon357 67 | 16,905
22 May 2017 #9
I advice you to get in touch with them ( maybe some spiritual séance would be in order)

No need for that, I-S, the Bialystok Pogrom is very well documented from primary sources.

his artificial language a kind of achievement but as a mean to an end ( a better communication between people) it failed spectacularly.

A great achievement, and much honoured and respected by linguists and humanitarians today. Zamenhof was one of the early Twentieth Century's most distinguished Poles.
Bieganski 17 | 901
22 May 2017 #10
the reality very well known to be that some Poles were/are violently anti-semitic

Well, then name them. All of them. Right here on the forum. Living and deceased.

Surely you can identify those you are hurling accusations at by name. A genuinely righteous person (self-righteous in your case) will always have the facts at hand and have no fear of any repercussions for speaking "the truth."

Name all the Jewish kapos too and what efforts you have taken personally to have them named and shamed in promotional materials in cities and regions where they carried out their unforgivable inhumanity.

But first read this article published in the leftist pro-Zionist New York Times:

The Real Victims of Victimhood

"Victimhood culture" has now been identified as a widening phenomenon by...sociologists...victimhood makes it more and more difficult for us to resolve political and social conflicts...makes for worse citizens - people who are less helpful, more entitled, and more selfish.

Source: nytimes.com/2015/12/27/opinion/sunday/the-real-victims-of-victimhood.html

I see you're in a business of dividing people

It's his stock in trade on here. His entire reputation is built on it.
Ironside 50 | 11,041
22 May 2017 #11
No need for that

What does it matter? Harry evidently bring it here to lecture others. I advised him to lecture those who actually took part in some Russian pogrom. Which means séance not PF.

A great achievement, and much honoured and respected by linguists and humanitarians today.

Yes, yes I don't deny it. I'm pointing out that is only a curiosity rather than modern lingua franka. In that he failed.

Zamenhof was one of the early Twentieth Century's most distinguished Poles.

Plenty of streets with his name. Not only in Poland.
jon357 67 | 16,905
22 May 2017 #12
only a curiosity

Much more than a curiosity I-S.

In that he failed.

Not really. Before Zamenhof there was little or no understanding of the concept of interlanguage.

I advised him to lecture those who actually took part in some Russian pogrom.

best to 'lecture' those who would try to airbrush it out of history or try to deny Polish involvement. As this PiS councillor wants to do.
Ironside 50 | 11,041
22 May 2017 #13
try to airbrush it out of history or try to deny Polish involvement

What Polish involved? I see you're prone to repeat after Harry an utter tripe.

As this PiS councillor wants to do.@ jon357

I think that he oppose to the idea that Polish taxpayers should pay for the ideological biased propaganda. .
OP Harry
23 May 2017 #14
Well, then name them.

I think I'd prefer to stick to the topic of this thread thanks. Obvious you want to drive this thread away from the moronic actions of a PIS councillor who wants to censor a history book, I wonder why that is.

Says who? By the way it would be much better for people to learn a local lingo?

Said him and say his biographers. I'm sorry to learn that your knowledge of the history of that region is so bad that you don't know that in 1906 there were several local languages there and Zamenhof wanted there to be one which was neutral to all.

I think that he oppose to the idea that Polish taxpayers should pay for the ideological biased propaganda

Care to explain how drawings of a historical event which had a deep impact on the person a book is about is "ideological biased propaganda"? The book in question says nothing about the nationalities of the people who committed the murders during the pogrom in question. As you would know if you'd bothered to look at what you're spouting off about.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
23 May 2017 #15
"Victimhood culture"

This passage fits the speech-muzzling PC dictatorship (agenda, formation, movement, mindset, etc.) to a T:
"Victimhood culture, by contrast, generally seeks to restrict expression in order to protect the sensibilities of its advocates. Victimhood claims the right to say who is and is not allowed to speak."
OP Harry
23 May 2017 #16
Victimhood culture, by contrast, generally seeks to restrict expression in order to protect the sensibilities of its advocates

You mean such as calling for pictures of a 1906 pogrom in Bialystok to be airbrushed from history?
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
23 May 2017 #17
to be airbrushed from history

No, I mean the JTA, GW, NYT, ADL-style bias portraying their side as always only victims. The reality of it is that everyone at different times can be and has been both victim and vicitmiser -- Jew and Goy, German and French, Israeli and Palestinian, Pole and Swede, Protestant and Catholic, etc., etc.
OP Harry
23 May 2017 #18
The reality of it is that everyone at different times can be and has been both victim and vicitmiser

Nice of you to admit that. However, the moron councillor from the PiSlamic state claims that "Poles have never been anti-semitic".
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
23 May 2017 #19
Poles have never been anti-semitic

Depends on definition. If one opposes them for their intrinsic ethnic cultrue, religion, appearance or similar immanent feature, that would be anti-Semitic. But in Poland the antipathy was maqinly rooted in economic rivalry. Strong Jewish in-group solidarity effectivley barred or impeded the access of ethnic Poles to many professions in their own country. After 123 years of foreign occupations, again many Poles felt like 2nd-class citizens. Feelings of discrimination rarely foster affection towards those perceivced as the discriminators. Of course we all know only too well which side of the barricade PiSlamic Harry will end up on whenever there is a dispute between Poles and someone else.
OP Harry
23 May 2017 #20
Depends on definition.

Let's take participation in a pogrom as an example. Some Poles (thankfully only a tiny minority) took part in pogroms, such as the one in Bialystok in 1906, the one in Warsaw in 1941, the one in Jedwabne in 1941, the one in Kielce in 1946, etc.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
23 May 2017 #21
Jedwabne in 1941, the one in Kielce in 1946

@Harry
Yes, there were ethnic Poles. Bierut was an ethnic Pole, so was Dzierżyński. But in Jedwabne, after Hitelr and stalin had split Poland down the middle, for 22 months bolshevised young Jews went on a rampage harassing the Polish population, fingering Polish officials and patritos to the NKVD, setting up People's Guard to act agaisnt local Poles, buisnessmen, farmers, the Church and all things Poles hold sacred. When the Soviets were driven out, many of those whose relatives had been victimised yearned for revenge. The some 40 Poles sentenced after the war over Jedwabne included such avengers, but others were local drunks, brawlers and troublemakers (you get those in every community), but yes, ethnic Poles. Kielce was a commie-orchestrated provocation to draw world attention away from Poland's rigged elections. Sure it was done through the hands of communist or opportunsitic Poles. But was biological anti-Semitism the sole motivation or were other incentives provided?
jon357 67 | 16,905
23 May 2017 #22
This isn't about Jedwabne, Po. It's about a local councillor allied to the PiS junta attempting to censor a book he doesn't like.
OP Harry
23 May 2017 #23
biological anti-Semitism

There's no such thing. The cause of anti-Semitism and all forms of racist is ignorance. The cure for anti-Semitism and all forms of racist is education. Education is not the result of censorship. Which then raises the question of whether some members of the PiSlamic State want Poles to be racist and that is why they oppose teaching Poles about what actually happened in the past.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
23 May 2017 #24
This isn't about Jedwabne

Then why did your guru bring it up? Direct all comments and complaints to him -- on your knees of course (no erotic allusion intended, just a gesture of fealty!).
jon357 67 | 16,905
23 May 2017 #25
The cause of anti-Semitism and all forms of racist is ignorance.

Ignorance, fear and stupidity.

whether some members of the PiSlamic State want Poles to be racist

Fear and hatred serve their cause.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
23 May 2017 #26
anti-Semitism and all forms of racist is ignorance

If by a theoretician or armchair warrior-- yes. But not when it comes from an oppressed victim. Shopkeepers run out of business by conspiring, clannish Jews (selling at or below cost until the Goy goes bankrupt) or beaten and robbed by Blacks and Hispanics will harbour hostility towards their oppressors for reasons of ecomomic and physical survival. All the education in the world cannot change that. Only those who have never been victimised may uncritically buy into that leftist/libtard codswallop.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
23 May 2017 #27
Fear and hatred

PO's greatest fear is that their loss of power and privilege will persist and that stokes their hatred towards those who in their view had dethroned them. But the real dethroners were the Polish nation thoroughly fed up with the foreign-interest-serving scmaster regime.
jon357 67 | 16,905
23 May 2017 #28
Don't be silly, Po. That's actually the opposite of the truth.

Fortunately the next general election will see the demise of PiS.
OP Harry
23 May 2017 #29
Fear and hatred serve their cause.

As is so clearly demonstrated by PIS's supporters here at PF. And by the PIS councillor who is trying to have this book censored.

the next general election will see the demise of PiS.

And the PiSlamic State will fall soon after. Once they no longer have immunity it's certain that First Secretary Kaczynski's puppets will jump at the offer of plea bargain deals at which they are not prosecuted in exchange for pleading guilty and giving testimony against their "real actual leader".
Ziemowit 13 | 4,392
23 May 2017 #30
Fortunately the next general election will see the demise of PiS.

And you have a crystal ball to have a look in it and tell us the future?

Then why didn't your crystal ball tell you about the attack in the Manchester Arena yesterday night?

stick to the topic of this thread please


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