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Petition for War Crimes Reparations for Poland


Bratwurst Boy 5 | 10,294
21 Apr 2019 #31
There must an EU clause somewhere that prohibits members states from suing each other for the events prior to joining.

There is, in the accession protocol....."no running conflicts with neighbours" :)
Rich Mazur 4 | 4,876
21 Apr 2019 #32
That makes me a genius since I am not a lawyer and I don't live in an EU country.
Ironside 49 | 10,171
21 Apr 2019 #33
Moral grounds - zero. There is a common sense rule in civil law: a kiss ends a dispute.

Said who - you? phew! Kiss my a...

that prohibits members states from suing each other for the events prior to joining.

It makes you both funny, BB in a nice way and you in a clownish way.

If that would be a legal clause, German gov would have made a good use out of it a long time ago. A fact that jabbering about 1953 'agreement' tell anyone with a more than a two brain cells together that there is not such a clause that could be used in regard to the issue.
Rich Mazur 4 | 4,876
21 Apr 2019 #34
If that would be a legal clause, German gov would have made a good use out of it a long time ago.

1. Which court has the jurisdiction to hear this argument?
2. How do you know if the German government didn't already make a good use of that clause by telling Poland to beat it?
3. Can you allow that the Polish government already knows it has no legal leg to stand on, but keeps the issue alive for purely internal propaganda reasons?

As far as kissing your ass, Poland already did it by taking a lot of EU money and, directly, as German investments. This constitutes that hug and kiss I referred to earlier. Once you kiss up, it's over and you can't claim that the kissee did you wrong way back.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 10,294
21 Apr 2019 #35
It makes you both funny, BB in a nice way

Love you too Iron, but that "jabbing" really happens only in these forums where some can't help themselves and bring this topic regularly back on the table.

Internationally nobody jabs (beside eye rolls and head shakes and some groans inbetween)

1953 reparations were decided. 1990 was the day all rest demands was talked over and were decided...Poland got its Oder-Neiße-Border, Greece didn't show up and that was that then...

A few years later Poland (not having any open disputes anymore with other EU members) became member of the EU and the rest is history.

Nobody could have someone like K. many years later on the radar...but there is really no way for him and his friends to breath any life in that dead horse...it is dead and stays dead!
Spike31 2 | 1,122
21 Apr 2019 #36
That's very nice. That's great that Germany solved the reparation issue with the US, the UK, France, Netherlands and Denmark.

Now, stop playing naive and show me the copy of the same agreement signed between Poland and Germany.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 10,294
21 Apr 2019 #37
But I did that already...

un.org/Depts/los/LEGISLATIONANDTREATIES/PDFFILES/TREATIES/DEU-POL1990CF.PDF

PS: Poland never lodged any formally demand, even as they bring it up again and again, and my guess is they never will....it's useless...it's all only hot air for people like you!

Again show me your seriousness and ask Moscow for reparations...for their own and a share of the german ones...

Till then, I will file it under dishonest and hypocritical, so forget about it!
Rich Mazur 4 | 4,876
21 Apr 2019 #38
Again show me your seriousness and ask Moscow for reparations...

They will not because Poland still owes Moscow for its liberation.
mafketis 23 | 7,775
21 Apr 2019 #39
say many kremlin funded trolls.... after molotov-ribbertrop, katyn and 45 years of an unwanted and unnecessary political and military alliance... Poland owes moscow nothing (which Moscow will receive.... in abundance!)
Rich Mazur 4 | 4,876
21 Apr 2019 #40
Quoting: During the full course of the Vistula-Oder operation (23 days), the Red Army forces sustained 194,191 total casualties (killed, wounded and missing) and lost 1,267 tanks and assault guns.

That's a lot of casualties to liberate one country considering that the Soviets could have just stopped at the Eastern Polish border and let Germans do whatever they wanted.
Weimarer 8 | 405
21 Apr 2019 #41
@Spike31

Great that you served in your pathfinder troops, now back to reality.

Thing is, tjose rather weak countries like Poland and Greece propably think Merkel is weak. They dont ask Russia or Italy for reparations.

The problem is our government, its too soft. Of course both will not get a single € and of course we dont take both serious. But i guess a show of force would be needed to silence both countries for good.

Of course you can also simply ignore them, like our government always does.
Spike31 2 | 1,122
21 Apr 2019 #42
TREATIES/DEU-POL1990CF.PDF

Yes, @BratwurstBoy, it is a confimation of common border between Poland and Germany. Yet, it has nothing to do with war reparations.
You obviously don't think that this would stick in the international court, do you?

The reason why there's no bilateral Polish-German treaty is due to our difficult modern history which prevented Poland (and Germany too) for almost half a century to conduct independent international realtions. Now there's a chance to regulate it properly.

Again show me your seriousness and ask Moscow for reparations...

It's not wise to pick up a fight with two strong opponents at the same time (as you should know by now). It's better to deal with them one by one. It is also wise to pick a fight in the most appropriate moment and place when you have a chance to do so.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 10,294
21 Apr 2019 #43
Yet, it has nothing to do with war reparations.

It has all to do with the reparations....Poland didn't put a claim up then and now its to late. This conference in 1990 was the time and place to do it, the polish government wanted the Oder-Neisse-Border secured and they got it.

There was no other demand and then it was settled for good. THAT was the polish-german treaty which cleared the last questions. Money wasn't part of it. Done!
Weimarer 8 | 405
21 Apr 2019 #44
Does this Reparations also include to pay compensations to all the Germans who lost their home and house?

One of my grandmothers is from a village near Breslau.

As for the erst of this bullshit, anyone who believes a international court would sue Germany for hundreds of billions for compensations, is simply crazy. This would open the doors of total collapse of any diplomacy. USA would never allow to open a precedency.

Also i asked before and ask again, do Poles seriously believe Germany would be able to pay 800 billion €?

I mean if we really do this, how do they think our nation would be able to exist after this? Who pays pensions, infrastructure, military ect? Because we would be bancrupt.

Is that what Poles want?

I want to know how those who call for that believe this should work?
jon357 63 | 14,280
21 Apr 2019 #45
Does this Reparations also include to pay compensations to all the Germans who lost their home and house?

Or the Poles who lost theirs, when you bombed them.
Rich Mazur 4 | 4,876
21 Apr 2019 #46
Poles does not equal Poland. Dead people cannot sue because they cannot testify.
jon357 63 | 14,280
21 Apr 2019 #47
Poles does not equal Poland.

Poland is Poland; and thei heir to the country's housing stock.
Weimarer 8 | 405
21 Apr 2019 #48
Oh when did i bomb someone? I was unaware i did such a thing.

I´m 24 years old, tell me when i did that.

Or are you racist jonny, saying Germans have a common crime on them because genetics?

Thats funny, because if someone would say all muslims are terrorists your head would explode.

Do you also go to a random afghani or saudi and blame him for 911?

People like you are funny, you are so left that you turned up far right.

I have news for you, i bombed nothing. I´m 24 years old. My parents bombed nothing. Even my grandparents bombed nothing. 3 of them born after WW II and the one grandmother who lived before that time was 4 years old in 1945.
jon357 63 | 14,280
21 Apr 2019 #49
i bombed nothing.

Those who did invade Poland and start a war were nevertheless liable, as are their heirs today; liable until every last bit of damage is compensated. With compound interest.

Your destiny was speared.
Weimarer 8 | 405
21 Apr 2019 #50
Oh realy. It appears to me then a better option would be a deal with Putin to solve this issue.

Putin craves for deals with Germany. Poland will not get anything from us, the fate of your ancestors is absolute irrelevant for me. I dont care if they suffered. I

dont care for your past, present or future. This case is closed and thankfully you are to weak to get what you want.

Thats your problem. You are too weak. Weak economy, weak military and weak diplomatic stand in the world.

Maybe we send you a few flowers though.
Shitonya Brits
21 Apr 2019 #51
the fate of your ancestors is absolute irrelevant for me.

The poster you are addressing isn't Polish.

He has openly stated over the years on here that he is a British homosexual of Turkish origin. He is a proud champagne socialist too. So he has much more in common with you and Germany than Poles and Poland.
jon357 63 | 14,280
21 Apr 2019 #52
Poland will not get anything from us, the fate of your ancestors is absolute irrelevant for me. I dont care if they suffered. I

Laws and governments however do.

Thats your problem. You are too weak. Weak economy, weak military and weak diplomatic stand in the world.

That sounds just like you're trying to address a rally...
Weimarer 8 | 405
21 Apr 2019 #53
No, i adress the fact. Laws and governments :D

Governments do whats ebst for them. Remember Greece in 2015. Tsipras visited Putin to get help against Germany. Tsipras believed Putin would use the greek crisis to balance out against Germany. What did Tripras get? A wet handshake.

Germany is an international giant. No country in the world would favor Poland over Germany. Poland is more like a pawn. Who knows, maybe Trump who has some beef with us, uses this to get a freetrade deal with us.

Trump is a business man, tariff free trade or support for Polands demands...and then Germany and Trump make a deal and Poland is thrown under the bus.

Wouldnt be first time.
jon357 63 | 14,280
21 Apr 2019 #54
No country in the world would favor Poland over Germany.

You really do come across as if you're trying to address a rally...

and Poland is thrown under the bus.

You really think Poland stands alone this time? :-D
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 10,294
21 Apr 2019 #55
Everybody who supports such claims supports also populists, they are fattening their numbers. Keeping old grievances with their neighbours alive with purpose has only nationalist reasons and is only supported by people who would love to throw every unity which has been achieved in the last decades happily under the next bus.

I'm suprised to find you in their corner Jon...
jon357 63 | 14,280
21 Apr 2019 #56
Everybody who supports such claims supports also populists,

And the courts, of course, don't support them.

I'm suprised to find you in their corner Jon...

I'm not. The financial settlement was agreed by Poland and Germany decades ago, low though it was. There are individual cases with merit and you may notice that 'weimarer' conflates that issue with the non-issue of assets formally owned by German citizens who fled or were sent west at the end of the war with deliberate damage by the invaders.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 10,294
21 Apr 2019 #57
The so called "Prussian trust" and the west german Vertriebenenverbund was actually a big feared thing back then in Poland. Hence the urge to get that treaty about the Oder-Neisse-Border officially done...I remember weakly...
10iwonka10 - | 396
21 Apr 2019 #58
But i guess a show of force would be needed to silence both countries for good.

Statement like from the mouth of true Nazi !
dolnoslask 5 | 2,574
21 Apr 2019 #59
What do you mean he is training to be a policeman!!!!, I think NATO / Russia might be upset if Nazi boy puts his marching boots on.

Luckily there are far more like Bratwurst to keep the loonies in check, we need to do the same in Poland.
Weimarer 8 | 405
21 Apr 2019 #60
@10iwonka10

Nazi...the word is used so often today it lost all its meaning.

And no, not Nazi.

For Germany, it must always be whats best for its people. I think you agree with that. Evry decission our government does should always have the best for the german people in mind.

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