Poland Parliamentary elections 2015

No need for that. Unless someone is guilty of a specific crime their political affiliations are irrelevant. Unless you'd prefer political prisoners.

Your beloved Soviet plant Jabberwocky, ethnically correct Berman and the remaining cuthroats in the security machinery, Kiszczak and thousands of others had blood on their hands and should have been prosecuted. But even the top murderers like Jabberwocky used tricks to evade prosecution, changing lawyers in midstream which meant a several year delay and later using health issues to wiggle out of the specific cirmes he was accused of in 1970 and later. So PC types are also soft on communism? Interesting!

Do tell us more. What is "ethnically correct"?

You figure it out. All the security apparatus departments were headed by such people. Maybe they were Albanians or Norwegians or maybe Chileans? R U 1 2?

Do you have any evidence of that?

Nope, only heard it on the grapevine. If it's so important to you, do some research. I couldn't care less.

Let's be honest : if everyone in Poland was tough on Communism, the Kaczynski brothers would have never got anywhere near power.

There are plenty of people on all sides (yes, including the Church) who don't want an in depth investigation into their past. Perhaps you should consider that the general consensus is that Communism is dead and that it should be left buried.

So what exactly do you mean by:


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PiS 40%
PO 34%
LSD 13%
Palikmiot 6%
PSL 2%
SP 2%

Merged: Hurray -- PiS achieves 40% mark

The latest TNS poll shows 40% of respondents voting for PiS and 34% for PO. PSL with 2% is out of the running.
That pushes PiS to or near the level where going it alone might be possible. That is good news in face of those who claim PiS is 'unconscionable'. One cannot rule out that Gowin will lead the conservative wing out of the Platformer sand pit and set up his own party, perhaps called, Partia Sprawiedliwości (Justice Party) or Partia Konserwatywna (Conservative Paty) which could garner from 10 to 12% of the vote and enter a coalition with PiS. Everything is still possible. Who knows if soon PiS will not reach the 50% mark. Co daj Boże!

This poll is possibly the worst thing that could happen for PiS. Without the PSL, they've got a mere three choices of coalition partners - PO, SLD and Palikot. All three parties are sworn ideological enemies of Kaczynski - which makes it even easier to agree on a confidence/supply agreement to return Tusk to power.


Still impossible under the electoral system. It's widely acknowledged that the Polish electoral system requires around 45-47% of the vote to win a majority in the Sejm - which would be absolutely unprecedented.


Except Gowin's views on the economy are far, far away from what Kaczynski supports. How could a libertarian like Gowin ever go into a coalition with a party that relies on trade union support?

This poll is actually great news for PO - it shows that they've only lost around 7% of the vote after 6 years in Government. Not bad going!

It's also worth pointing out that this poll shows a clear win for an PO/SLD coalition.

PiS are inching their way up and whould hit the 45-47% level some time soon.

It is total disaster :)))

How could the liberal, pro-business Platformers form a coaliton with the rural, socially conservative and populist PSL? But they did. To get into power parties would form coalitons with the devil himself. Look at Merkel. What could a decent Chrsitian dmeocrat have in common with libertine, anarchist social-democrat scum, and yet.

Pretty well.

I'm always sceptical about polls at this time of year, when a significant proportion of the urban vote are on holiday.


More fascist talk? At least you haven't mentioned your sexuality.

LOL ! Only pro (their own) business :)))

This tells it all.

Except he didn't say that. You are quoting yourself and lying about who made the statement in question.

Highly unlikely. Also, as Jon says - people are on holiday, which skews the results even further towards those who aren't likely to be on holiday (PiS voters).


Because as I keep telling you, the PSL aren't "socially conservative" and aren't really "rural". They're centrist, but middle class. You'll notice that their power base is in medium sized towns in relatively wealthy areas - which is why their electorate would never agree to a coalition that allowed Kaczynski's welfare party into power.


Very rare in Europe. An example can be seen in Belgium with Vlaams Belang (or however it's spelt). Despite them being a viable coalition partner in the attempt to form a government, parties in Belgium refused to consider them.


What are you talking about? The SDP are a party very similar to PiS in terms of economics (and socially, they're centrist at the most) - and the FDP are closest to Gowin.

So they are against abortion on demand, same-sex marraiage, easy divorce, recreational drugs and for Chrsitian values and family traditions?

Centrist voters tend to hold varied views on such things, hence why they're a centrist party.

The PSL - as far as I'm aware - holds quite a flexible position in this respect. They don't tend to get involved very much in social issues because it isn't what unites them as a party, unlike PiS and Ruch Palikota.

The PSL is socially conservative, pro-Catholic and pro-family ideologically and economically populist.

It really isn't. You're just repeating what you've read on Wikipedia as fact.

May I remind you that they've been coalition partners in many socially liberal governments?

But strangely they weren't members of the government that was very clearly from the outset going to be socially conservative, pro-Catholic and pro-family ideologically and economically populist (i.e. the one led by the Ducks).

Exactly. Vlaams Belang - which is a Flemish-nationalist, extreme-right populist party with a strong anti-foreigner program, had election results in 1990's of up to 25% in Flanders. But nobody ever wanted to talk with them, not for the federal government, not for the Flemish government, not for local coalitions. They have always been condemned to the opposition. They have fallen back to 12% now.


Hmmm such as PIS working together with RP in Elbląg, or PIS in a coalition with Samoobrona?


Not only are you lying but you are falsifying other people's postings. Why do you attach your words to Jon's name?

They are the best example I can think of when talking about the cordon sanitaire around PiS - as I recall, in the 2007 Federal election that was incredibly inconclusive in Belgium, Vlaams Belang's seats could have allowed the formation of a viable government. But no-one would go near them - they had alienated the other parties so much to the point when they were simply not a viable option. The same is happening in Poland with Kaczynski - no matter their result, no-one wants to go into coalition with them.

Because they'll play ball with anyone fofr a crack at cabinet posts, even the ex-commies, and that is really falling low. But politics is politics.

I never read wikipedia about PSL becuase I have followed them for years. In the civil partnership vote the PSL was solidaly against it with the Gowin crowd and PiS.

But strangely they point-blank refused to play any part in the last government which was clearly going to be socially conservative, pro-Catholic and pro-family ideologically and economically populist and was set up before everybody knew how disgracefully DuckBoy would treat his 'coalition partners'.

I wonder why you are refusing to even acknowledge this small but somewhat pertinent fact.

Were they even invited? PiS has traditonally viewed them as a commie collaborator since they were in more than one SLD government.
They're probably not worth even discussing as most likely they will not cross the 5% threshold.

I'm sure Kaczynski would rather have had the PSL in Government than the alternatives. Certainly, a PiS-PSL coalition would have given them 180 votes - not enough for a majority, but enough votes to make life very awkward for other parties if they wanted to block legislation. Under such a deal, PO would have been more or less forced into relying on Samobroona and the SLD to block socially conservative legislation - which would have been very harmful for them in the long run as PiS could have had a field day by attacking PO's reliance on Samobroona - exactly as PO did to PiS.

It also would have left LPR out in the cold - which would have meant no students on the street protesting against a clueless education minister.