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Poland Parliamentary elections 2015


pawian 170 | 11,300
31 Aug 2012 #1
I made a mistake. I should have created one thread for two elections which happen to be held in the same year.
Presidential elections, 2015, Poland

It is too late now. Sorry.

The latest poll:

PO - 40%.
PiS-29%
SLD - 11%
Palikot- 9%
PSL-5%
Ziobro`s SP - 3%

Experts predict that the support might fall in next months when the global crisis hits Poland at last.
hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,377
1 Sep 2012 #2
PO - 40%.
PiS-29%
SLD - 11%
Palikot- 9%
PSL-5%
Ziobro`s SP - 3%

Those are remarkably good polls. Considering that most undecided voters are more likely to vote PO than PIS, it is possible that PO might increase its percentage of the vote at the next election.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
1 Sep 2012 #3
PO - 40%.
PiS-29%

Devastating.

I think it shows that the social right wing is inherently unelectable in Poland.
teflcat 5 | 1,032
1 Sep 2012 #4
The worst thing PO could do would be to act complacently. We've seen this before. PiS are good at getting their vote out on the day. PO should also focus on young voters as they often don't bother.

most undecided voters are more likely to vote PO than PIS, it is possible that PO might increase its percentage of the vote at the next election.

I think you're right, but PO is capable of blowing a lot of votes by appearing arrogant. They should act low key and calm. Let the berets threaten and bluster; one more sound thrashing at the polls might just precipitate a reformation. Poland badly needs a good opposition.
OP pawian 170 | 11,300
1 Sep 2012 #5
Giys, suppose that your favourite party does sth really stupid. What would that be for you to turn it down and vote sb else or even give up voting?

For me , in case of PO, there is one thing that would pisss me off - namely, the privatisation of state forests.

So, PO guys, remember, the day you do such a foolish act will the last day I vote you and all my family, too.

The State Forests National Forest Holding is an organization protecting, utilizing, and shaping Poland's forests for over eighty years. It manages publicly owned forests on behalf of the Polish State Treasury. Their area exceeds 7.5 million hectares. A staff of experienced, professional foresters guarantee that next generations of Poles will be able to make use of all the benefits which forests provide to a not lesser degree than they do today.

lasy.gov.pl/dokumenty/in_english

PS. 7.5 million hectares make about 24% of Poland`s total area.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
1 Sep 2012 #6
For me , in case of PO, there is one thing that would pisss me off - namely, the privatisation of state forests.

I got the inside story about this from a forester, and what's interesting to note is that much of their operation is already privatised.

A lot of them very reluctantly voted PiS last time for fear of privatisation, too.

Anyway, for me, I'm not loyal to one party - I'll vote for the party that represents my interests best in that given election. Next election will likely (if she stands) be a vote for Sidonia Jędrzejewska however.
OP pawian 170 | 11,300
1 Sep 2012 #7
I got the inside story about this from a forester, and what's interesting to note is that much of their operation is already privatised.

I haven`t seen any boards Private! No Entry! next to Polish forests yet....

Anyway, for me, I'm not loyal to one party - I'll vote for the party that represents my interests best in that given election. Next election will likely (if she stands) be a vote for Sidonia Jędrzejewska however.

Sidonia was born in Krakow. :):):)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidonia_J%C4%99drzejewska

Polish female politician

BTW, a very unusual first name!

Agent Tomek predicts: PiS will take over in autumn 2012.

Kaczmarek : Law and Justice in the autumn will take power in Poland

- Already in the autumn PiS will take power in Poland. I am an optimist - said in an interview with Onet PiS deputy Tomasz Kaczmarek , a former agent of the CBA known as " Tom" . - I am convinced that Donald Tusk will soon disappear from politics - he adds.

delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
1 Sep 2012 #8
Agent Tomek predicts: PiS will take over in autumn 2012.

Ah, silly season started again!

Someone needs to explain to PiS that you need a thing called a "majority" in the Sejm.
OP pawian 170 | 11,300
1 Sep 2012 #9
The guy is famous for seducing a few women and taking them to court on corruption charges. Probably he didn`t work with his brain so much as with sth else..... :):):):)
goofy_the_dog
1 Sep 2012 #10
From what I know there was that stupid lady, that was charged with fraud and corruption, agent Tomek was working CBA, and then, when she finally understood that the police are onto her, he went to the media and cried her eys out to save her arse. A complete farse in my own view, pawian could please stop lying on the forum, and if you not informed... really your SOURCE of the knowledge is not reliable... :/

Her name was Sawicka,

here's the source


Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
2 Sep 2012 #11
Let's hope Romney and PiS win. The world does not need more liberal-leftists experimenters. Let them experiment on lab rats, not on the human body politic!

One recent poll showed an only one point difference between the Platformer crooks and the noble Law and Justrice camp. There is always hope the Polish people will wisen up. They should take their cue from our American Polonia, 70% of whom voted for PiS. Poles in Poland seem blinded by the glip and slippery rhetoric of tricky Don. Notice how he never looks anyone in the eye and shifts his glance away as he spouts his sugar-coated lies.
WielkiPolak 58 | 1,034
2 Sep 2012 #12
Romney might well win. Would be nice too. PiS is more difficult. I would like them to but they have to make some serious 'przetasowania' first, as you say in Polish.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
2 Sep 2012 #13
One recent poll showed an only one point difference between the Platformer crooks and the noble Law and Justrice camp.

And other recent polls show a 12 point difference. You also neglected to mention that the one point gap still meant that PiS only had 29% of the vote - which won't win a Polish election.

There is always hope the Polish people will wisen up. They should take their cue from our American Polonia, 70% of whom voted for PiS.

Ah, Polonius. Such a brave Polish-American, telling us here how we should vote! I mean, you guys know best, don't you?

Poles in Poland seem blinded by the glip and slippery rhetoric of tricky Don. Notice how he never looks anyone in the eye and shifts his glance away as he spouts his sugar-coated lies.

Or they realise that some American really has no idea about what's going no here.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
2 Sep 2012 #14
There's talk that Zyta Gilowska will be PiS's secret weapon as PM if a constructive vote of no confidence succeeds.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
2 Sep 2012 #15
But how can it succeed? PiS would need the support of Ruch Palikota - who would never, ever back a constructive vote of no confidence unless it resulted in a new government that was more favourable to their social agenda. PiS would never agree to that, so - you have political stalemate. RP already told PO that they would demand IVF and reform of ZUS and KRUS as a price of political support - do you think PiS would ever, ever, ever agree to either of these?

Polonius - let's look at the current Sejm.

PO - 207
PiS - 157
RP - 40
PSL - 28
SLD - 27
German Minority - 1

231 votes are required for an absolute majority.

There is absolutely no way that the current electoral mathematics can work for PiS - PO only need the support of one out of the three smaller parties to gain that absolute majority and to win any such vote.

Can you show me a credible scenario in which they would lose such a vote?
goofy_the_dog
2 Sep 2012 #16
RP will not survive the next elections... apart from introducing couple of mutants and "weirdos" they haven't done anything worth of even looking...

Who knows what a new election will bring? I know for sure that I am voting for PiS ;)
jon357 63 | 15,214
2 Sep 2012 #17
There is absolutely no way that the current electoral mathematics can work for PiS - PO only need the support of one out of the three smaller parties to gain that absolute majority and to win any such vote.

And they will win. Gilowska by the way is not a vote winner especially after her past performance as a minister. The only thing in her favour is that the other big names in PiS are so ghastly as to be unelectable.
OP pawian 170 | 11,300
2 Sep 2012 #18
Let's hope Romney and PiS win.

Shyt, you left me clueless now. I don`t like Obama, but the way you put Romney and PiS together means I won`t support him, either.

One recent poll showed an only one point difference between the Platformer crooks and the noble Law and Justrice camp.

It an old poll. There are newer ones.

There is always hope the Polish people will wisen up. They should take their cue from our American Polonia, 70% of whom voted for PiS.

God forbid! Poland suffered too much in the past to add new suffering!! Invasions, wars, occupations, partitions. Why are you so cruel towards Poland and Poles?

Poles in Poland seem blinded by the glip and slippery rhetoric of tricky Don.

And disgusted by revolting rhetoric of Duck. :):):)

There's talk that Zyta Gilowska will be PiS's secret weapon as PM if a constructive vote of no confidence succeeds.

Secret weapon? Wunderwaffe!! :):):):)
Bulshyt. This idea was already discussed in March 2012.

Besides, she was in PiS government long ago and didn`t do anything special then.

Notice how he never looks anyone in the eye and shifts his glance away as he spouts his sugar-coated lies.

Yes :):):)

I listened attentively words of opposition leader . In my opinion , ran into the rear package them in the context of the crisis. For four years wrestling with the biggest crisis since the war , and no recipe for it can not deviate from this fact . I'd like to tell what you can do in Poland , covering the eyes and ears of what floods in Poland and Europe - said the prime minister .

Thousands of people have vowed to vote PO and Donald Tusk in next elections after seeing him trying to rescue a schoolboy who fainted. Tusk was opening a new school in his ethnic Kashuby region in the village of Sulęczyno where he used to play football matches as a child. .

Premier of Poland saving life

I will not be anyone in Poland, proposed radical changes . We are here ( in the Kashubian region - ed.) Learned over the centuries the importance of hard work , restraint , moderation and common sense . But we also see in this school that modernity presents us with requirements, which require sometimes such an internal breakthrough, which will certainly be the computerization of the educational process. I'm glad to be here in Sulęczyn children will be well prepared for this - said the head of government.

Inauguration of the school year with the participation of the Prime Minister and his wife Malgorzata Tusk was combined with the entry into service of a new primary school in Sulęczyn them . Anthony Abraham.

Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
4 Sep 2012 #19
Sure, someone is taken ill or gets stuck in traffic. Some MPs of the 2 ruling parties secretly* vote against the government. The margin is so slim that anything can happen.

The voting result is posted on an electric board but is the way someone voted recorded or is discretion ensured?
WielkiPolak 58 | 1,034
5 Sep 2012 #20
Hmmm some kid mysteriously drops and then gets saved, I wonder.

But on the serious side, and I have said this before, it is terrible that people vote for a party just because they do not want others. It is also sad to see PO is only able to win by convincing people how terrible it would be if opposition parties managed to win.
legend 3 | 664
5 Sep 2012 #21
Experts predict that the support might fall in next months when the global crisis hits Poland at last.

Thank God that Palikot and sld are low.
OP pawian 170 | 11,300
5 Sep 2012 #22
The voting result is posted on an electric board but is the way someone voted recorded or is discretion ensured?

Yes, all the voting results and MPs` names from 2007 are available here:

mamprawowiedziec.pl/glosowania

or even better, at the official Polish Sejm site: sejm.gov.pl

Hmmm some kid mysteriously drops and then gets saved, I wonder.

You think it was arranged? :):):):) Come on, I was joking with that rising support for Tusk.... :):):):)

But on the serious side, and I have said this before, it is terrible that people vote for a party just because they do not want others. It is also sad to see PO is only able to win by convincing people how terrible it would be if opposition parties managed to win.

I wouldn`t call it terrible. Don`t exaggerate. It is only sad that the opposition to PO`s rule is so pathetic.

Thank God that Palikot and sld are low.

You must be for PiS, then.

It is time to start a little presentation of major players. Let`s start with Palikot Movement, because it was discussed on today`s evening news. They said the party currently is below 5% election minimum and that is why Palikot is planning a media campaign to boost his party`s popularity.

As for me, I don`t care if they are or aren`t in the future parliament. Palikot is a showman unable to introduce any positive changes in Poland. Once he headed a parliamentary commission called Friendly State and he did nothing for two years or so. Now he wants to propose major economic reforms. Pathetic.

His crusade against religion and for the legalisation of soft drugs are also not my cup of tea. E.g., he is going to put up such posters oin major Polish cities this autumn: You don`t believe in God? You are not alone.

Polish poster

Crazy.
Isn`t it obvious why he is the most distrusted politician in Poland? He even one-upped J. Kaczyński.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palikot%27s_Movement

Palikot wants to end religious education in state schools, end state subsidies of churches, legalize abortion on demand, give out free condoms,[21] allow same-sex civil unions,[6] switch to the Mixed-member proportional representation system,[citation needed] reform the Social Security Agency, dissolve the Senate,[22] legalize cannabis[23] and implement flat taxes.[24]
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
23 Sep 2012 #23
Palikot is a showman unable to introduce any positive changes in Poland.

But how can he? He would only be in that position should the coalition fall apart.

They said the party currently is below 5% election minimum and that is why Palikot is planning a media campaign to boost his party`s popularity.

No big deal. Early elections are highly unlikely, so they've got plenty of time to win votes.
OP pawian 170 | 11,300
1 Oct 2012 #24
His new reform proposals can be read on hoardings now:

BTW, it wasn`t me who tore up that poster.



delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
1 Oct 2012 #25
His new reform proposals can be read on hoardings now:

And they are achievable.

Economically, Palikot is the most pro-business of the lot of them.
p3undone 8 | 1,135
1 Oct 2012 #26
Delphiandomine,how long before elections do they start campaigning in Poland?
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
1 Oct 2012 #27
Depends. Right now, the opposition seems to be permanently campaigning (they're full of nonsense about "we will win" and so on). But in an ordinary election, you could expect it to start around 2 months away. Certainly nothing like the long drawn out race that is the American presidency or congress!
p3undone 8 | 1,135
1 Oct 2012 #28
Delphiandomine,thank you.What position do they have in Poland that is equivalent to a Senator?
strzyga 2 | 993
1 Oct 2012 #29
A senator. We have a Senate too. But the President is elected directly by the voters, not through any electoral body.
p3undone 8 | 1,135
1 Oct 2012 #30
strzyga,Thank you.I think that aspect is better.I don't like that we have the electoral college here.


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