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Officials in Poland are hailing an upcoming visit by Donald Trump



Atch 14 | 2,173    
1 Jul 2017  #61

Scotland

is not even as big as the little State of South Carolina.

And yet the innovations of Scottish engineers changed the world.

delphiandomine 86 | 16,229    
1 Jul 2017  #62

Quite. Perhaps Trump should also make a visit to Scotland so he can learn about how Scottish innovation enabled much of the American Dream.

Still, he could learn a lot from Poland on how to overhaul a train system. While America's rail infrastructure is decaying, Poland's is thriving.
OP johnny reb 14 | 2,681    
1 Jul 2017  #63

He hasn't been invited to London

Not true.

The invitation doesn't mean he is welcome to visit the UK.

So now your saying that he WAS invited and I was right and you were wrong.
STRIKE THREE........You're out !

I always wonder how Americans actually get anything done when they can't drive above 112km/h!

Neither can the Scots since your top speed limit is 112km/h in Scotland also. lol - who wants to enlightened Scot Boy. (140 km/h in Texas......son !)

When Trump lifts the travel ban you should try to visit America to get enlightened about your jealous fantasies of America.

how Scottish innovation enabled much of the American Dream.

Oh that's right, President Trump did buy half of Scotland to build a golf course didn't he.
Now for the sake of Mary can we get back on topic please !
(Somehow I doubt that because of the Eurp airheads that have no manners)
delphiandomine 86 | 16,229    
1 Jul 2017  #64

Neither can the Scots since your top speed limit is 112km/h in Scotland also. lol - who wants to enlightened Scot Boy. (140 km/h in Texas......son !)

140km/h on one single road in one single state, which is only 66km long. It's not much to boast about, not when Poland has much, much more.

When Trump lifts the travel ban you should try to visit America to get enlightened about your jealous fantasies of America.

Jealous of what, your D+ infrastructure? No wonder Trump is coming to Europe, he needs to learn how to build and maintain decent infrastructure. We have infrastructure that is over 1500 years old and still works!
OP johnny reb 14 | 2,681    
1 Jul 2017  #65

Now for the sake of Mary can we get back on topic please !
(Somehow I doubt that because of the Eurp airheads that have no manners)

How did I know.......LOL

Poland has much, much more.

Yes but we are comparing Texas with Scotland (not Poland) where the top speed allowed in Scotland is 69 mph.
The law sets the maximum at 70 mph, but allows the Texas Transportation Commission to establish a maximum speed limit of 75 mph (80 mph or 85 mph if the highway is designed to accommodate that speed) on the highway system if that speed is determined to be safe and reasonable after a traffic or engineering study.

, which is only 66km long. It's not much to boast about

No it's not but isn't that also the total width of the country of Scotland ?
Perhaps Scutland should send some of their engineers over to America to see how to build roads that can handle a faster speed for Scotland as there is not another country in the world that has an interstate system as America does.

Even though they are very crowded with much use (not like sparsely populated Scotland where tin can sized cars are used by the few that can afford them) the infrastructure of them is far from crumbling, in fact they are in superb shape for the amount of use they get by heavy trucks a millions of cars ever day.

I can understand why someone from a country with such inferior highway systems is so jealous of America's.
Now can we get back on topic please.
(Somehow I doubt that because some people just like to argue huh delph)
Joker - | 603    
1 Jul 2017  #66

Quite. Perhaps Trump should also make a visit to Scotland so he can learn about how Scottish innovation enabled much of the American Dream.

Perhaps, He can play a few rounds at his beautiful Golf Course in Scotland!

trumphotels.com/macleod-house

I can understand why someone from a country with such inferior highway systems is so jealous of America's.

He would pee in pants if he were to take an off ramp on a Texas interstate, thinking it was a rollercoaster...lol

(Somehow I doubt that because some people just like to argue huh delph)

He's just trying to bait you into an argument, his usual tactic. He knows nothing about America, just what he reads from phoney teenage websites.

His jealousy turns into belittlement of other people and their countries, religious or political beliefs.

This guy hasn't a pot to pi$$ in so he lashes out at the world via the internet.

He is the definition of the word TROLL
delphiandomine 86 | 16,229    
1 Jul 2017  #67

Yes but we are comparing Texas with Scotland (not Poland)

I don't really see what Scotland has to do with PolishForums.com. We're comparing America to Poland here. Discussing Scotland would be off-topic and not relevant to Trump visiting Poland to examine the superior highway experience.

as there is not another country in the world that has an interstate system as America does.

Germany, France, Italy and Spain all have comparable systems. Germany has a system that is the envy of America, as drivers of high performance German cars can drive legally without restriction. It's an absolute pleasure to drive there, as I do frequently.

Does America even have any real engineering feats? Perhaps Trump could visit Croatia to examine the beauty of the A1 motorway between Karlovac and Zadar. The Sveti Rok tunnel and approach is truly a modern wonder.

the infrastructure of them is far from crumbling, in fact they are in superb shape

The American Society of Civil Engineers thinks differently. They rated roads as D, which is a long way from "superb shape".

Trump will do well to analyse how Poland has built and renovated infrastructure over the last 13 years. We certainly have no scandals like in Flint here.
Dirk diggler 6 | 2,227    
1 Jul 2017  #68

The highways and roads greatly differ from one place to another in the us. For example in Illinois they're down right terrible and it has the highest tolls of any system I've driven on. I use to have to pay $8 in tolls just to visit my gf 20 mins away and then drive back home - more than id spend on gas. In the winter there are potholes so big they'll snap a connecting rod or mess up your suspension like crazy. What's worse is that when it snows you can't see them. In Florida, wisconsin, indiana, ohio, Colorado the roads are great and the tolls are minimal or non existent. Id say actually Florida had my favorite system and there's a special hov lane (high output vehicle) where you can easily go up to 140kmh without a cop pulling you over.

In poland the roads have def gotten better and there's lots of highways but the roads in the cities and driving into surrounding suburbs and villages are still crappy.

But now the Germans system.... Droooolllll. Ill never forget going 160 180 kmh in my grandpas old school Mercedes station wagon. And it was a stick unlike all the Mercedes here
weg04    
1 Jul 2017  #69

So now your saying that he WAS invited and I was right and you were wrong.

You didn't use Google did you?
Still, I doubt you would understand it as you are, evidently, an idiot.
Dirk diggler 6 | 2,227    
1 Jul 2017  #70

Also delph one of the main reasons That Poland's system is so modern now is thanks to the eu funds. It could have been even better if it weren't for the corruption.

Example

Highway or other government official: hi were building a highway system and are interested in purchasing 1 hectare of your land...
Villager: I'm listening....
Official: as I'm sure you're aware, your land has been appraised for 1 mil zloty we are prepared to offer you 10% more or 1.1 mil zloty...

Villager: I need 2 million zloty
Official: but sir, the land is worth ...
Villager: 3 million!
Official: okay okay 2 million it is..

Now off to the Porsche dealership the villager goes. There are so many rural workers that have become millionaires in an very short time simply because their land value became so artificially inflated.

And that situation has been playing out all over poland. Property values have skyrocketed because of all the eu funds pouring in of which a significant fraction was spent on road and rail as well as private ventures like factories, real estate (super hot right now) like condos and town homes, retail stores, etc. Hell my place is a dump (literally as some mofos turned it into an illegal dumping ground, before that it was an amphetamine factory) but its big. In the short time I was there I got 2 offers on it in as is state - almost double of what it was appraised for and what the value that online real estate companies gave it.

And to think... This property cost something like $3k usd.

The problem is that so much money has been spent buying up peoples properties to turn into infrastructure or another kind of project that people started getting greedy and used the eu funds pouring in as an opportunity to say their property is triple or more than what it really is. There should have been like a cap that a property can't be sold for more than 50% above its appraised value or whatever but there was way too much money to be made all around from the villager to the village mayor to the developer to the broker etc.

Take a drive around poland and just look at how many real estate offices and development firms there are
Ironside 46 | 8,658    
1 Jul 2017  #71

is thanks to the eu funds.

You do realize those funds are not freebies?
Dirk diggler 6 | 2,227    
1 Jul 2017  #72

Of course theyre not free.. Nothing in life is... The argument now is whether its worth for Poland to continue receiving funds in exchange for giving up its sovereignty to the eu. Also poland has started paying now into the eu system but to my understanding they still receive something like 5x more than they pay in.

If you go on the polish ministry of finances website it says that poland received some 370 bil between 2007 and 2013. Another issue is that many of the businesses like copper mines, media, etc aren't in the hands of poles but rather mostly germans.
Ironside 46 | 8,658    
1 Jul 2017  #73

The argument now is whether its worth for Poland to continue receiving funds

It is not. A the same time Poland is being indebted for the same amount it received, less Poland's contribution into the EU budget. Think is politicians think from one election to other and they'll not risk any sudden change. Unless there is sudden shift in the people mood. I think more and more young people are growing up to see the EU as it is an oppressive and anti-Polish organization. Others are depending on the EU for their very existence (PO has been founded on the German money).
OP johnny reb 14 | 2,681    
1 Jul 2017  #74

You didn't use Google did you?

Of course, only to confirm that I was right and you were wrong.
Perhaps you should have used it too before you called me a liar by claiming Trump wasn't invited to London when in reality he was.

you are, evidently, an idiot.

Oh, so now Mr. Loser has sank to name calling because I embarrassed him.
Kids today anyways...............
Dirk diggler 6 | 2,227    
1 Jul 2017  #75

@Ironside

Yes anti eu sentiment is definitely rising amongst not only young poles but older ones as well. Many people expressed their dissatisfaction with the eus treatment of poland and telling it who they should and shouldn't accept. Like I said before, 1.4mln Ukrainians (that's roughly 3.5% of Poland's population) were given work permits and allowed to settle in poland. In wroclaw there's 120k that came alone - this is out a city with a population of some 700 800k or so people (may be 1 mil max metro). Additionally we've accepted thousands of Chechens and Georgians. We've definitely past our old 7k obligation. We've been more than generous helping our neighbors who are escaping war and poverty. Perhaps the Syrians Iraqis Afghanis should be looking towards their wealthy neighbors or even the us, russia, iran, qatar, turkey, erc not poland. The only stake we had was perhaps 1 special forces battalion but we didn't bomb Iraq or Afghanistan into oblivion . actually Lebanon has been a most gracious host for being a relatively poor country - they've taken in easily 1 mln fellow Muslims
cms 9 | 1,301    
1 Jul 2017  #76

So we once again have to listen to PolAms telling us how dreadful the EU is after too many after dinner toasts at the Red Apple Buffet ? The only place where anti EU sentiment is rising is on North Milwaukee Avenue. 78 percent of people who live here support the EU.

As for Trump well he is welcome to visit - I understand the reason he is in Plac Krasinskich is because they didn't want the sight of a half full Plac Pilsudskiego - not many people are willing to give up their afternoon to listen to his self centered drivel and lies. Every day that he stays in office the US loses a little of its world leadership position.
Dirk diggler 6 | 2,227    
1 Jul 2017  #77

@cms

Except I live nowhere near milwaukee ave and I very rarely drink alcohol.. Yes poles are becoming more euro skeptic. That's a fact and its mainly because of the migrant impasse. Nonetheless yes you are correct in that most poles don't want to leave the eu. However that doesn't change the fact they're not happy about the migrant quotas and threats to fine poland.

Also according to cbos, 81% of poles are in favor of polish eu membership. Leaving the eu and being skeptical at Brussels demands for what poles should do in their own country are two different things.

Why do you resort to assumptions and mockery? That shows a lack of intelligence on your end.
Joker - | 603    
1 Jul 2017  #78

. For example in Illinois they're down right terrible and it has the highest tolls of any system I've driven on.

Yes, but have you noticed all the new road construction projects going on? Have you been downtown or by O`hare lately, It`s booming like crazy!

The economy has been getting much better since Trump came into office, Theres plenty of jobs for those who want to work:)

It really doesn't matter what some foreigner 6 thousand miles away says about our country, keep dreaming! Lol

Id say actually Florida had my favorite system

I love Florida also, and going over the sunshine skyway! I remember when Alligator Alley was still 2 lanes:)
Too bad you can't drive over the Hoover Dam anymore, but you can still walk across it.

Colorado the roads are great

Driving out west is the best!

How about the Painted Desert?

There are so many awesome places in the USA to visit, too many to list here.

Yes anti eu sentiment is definitely rising amongst not only young poles but older ones as well

Cant say I really blame them, look whats happening all across Europe its saddening!

Trumps visit to Poland will be a boost of moral for those fighting against the PC takeover of Poland..

@cms
ny after dinner toasts at the Red Apple Buffet

You've mentioned that crappy restaurant 3 times before. You must really like that place!!! LoL
Dirk diggler 6 | 2,227    
1 Jul 2017  #79

@Joker

Yeah but they're always fixing the eways. They have to spend the money or else they don't get it next construction season. Apparently though with the budget crisis that construction will stop.
OP johnny reb 14 | 2,681    
1 Jul 2017  #80

, Theres plenty of jobs for those who want to work:)

Yes there are but if you have to be there at 8 a.m. every day, leave your cellie in your car and take random drug testing you have just eliminated 80% of potential employees. lol

As for Trump well he is welcome to visit

Sounds like an invite to me. lol
Trump is going to give much support to Poland for not endorsing the climate change hoax and taking in potential Islamic terrorists.
Trump feels the same way about these issues as Poland does so Germany and France will have to respect that as bitter as it is for them.

Why do you resort to assumptions and mockery?

My guess is because he is young and is trying to pretend to be more intelligence then he actually is.
Mix that with the over all Eurp jealousy of America and walla.........the anti condescending American remarks start flowing.
Now back on topic damn it !
delphiandomine 86 | 16,229    
1 Jul 2017  #81

Trumps visit to Poland will be a boost of moral for those fighting against the PC takeover of Poland..

Not really. Most people regard him as a joke, which is why the government has had to pay for free buses to take their supporters to Warsaw to greet him.

Trump's visit will change nothing at all. Over 80% of Poles are in favour of the EU, no matter how much Americans like you beg otherwise.
Wulkan - | 3,311    
1 Jul 2017  #82

Most people regard him as a joke

No deplhy, he is very respected president of the United States, I'm proud he is coming to visit Poland just like the majority of people in my home country.
delphiandomine 86 | 16,229    
1 Jul 2017  #83

No deplhy, he is very respected president of the United States

Can I have some of what you're drinking tonight?

I'm proud he is coming to visit Poland just like the majority of people in my home country.

It's pretty amazing how you repeat the propaganda coming out of Nowogrodzka almost word for word.
Joker - | 603    
1 Jul 2017  #84

No deplhy, he is very respected president of the United States

Im sure Trump isn't worried about what some Scottish expat thinks.

I'm proud he is coming to visit Poland just like the majority of people in my home country.

Polish leader says other nations envy Trump's Warsaw visit

abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/polish-leader-nations-envy-trump-visit-warsaw-48390099

Even the liberal news media is covering it!
delphiandomine 86 | 16,229    
1 Jul 2017  #85

Im sure Trump isn't worried about what some Scottish expat thinks.

True, he's too busy insulting the daughter of one of the greatest Poles of the 20th century instead.

I'm sorry that you as a proud American think that it's acceptable to mock family members of great Polish people.

Polish leader says other nations envy Trump's Warsaw visit

Yes, but his grasp of reality is tenacious. No-one envies Trump coming here, in fact, no-one's even mentioned it.
Joker - | 603    
1 Jul 2017  #86

Trump coming here, in fact, no-one's even mentioned it.

Its all over the news Bozo, even your liberal biased fake news stories can't hide it.

You're entitled to the facts but not your own facts!

And how would you know? You never leave your basement because you're trolling this forum 24/7

Its 12:30am in Poland and you're still on here posting, after being here all day again, day after day etc.....
OP johnny reb 14 | 2,681    
1 Jul 2017  #87

in fact, no-one's even mentioned it.

Perhaps that is because of the low information voters that you associate with.
The Polish contacts that I have in Poland (PiS) are very welcoming of President Trump.

he's too busy insulting the daughter of one of the greatest Poles

Says who ?
Trump's perception of women is just misunderstood.

You never leave your basement

Paranoia is one of the side effects from it.
Most likely there will be a huge parade with people out on the streets loudly hailing Trump by throwing him flowers with little old ladies standing on their balconies waving their white hankies, with children playing in the streets with dogs barking and the sun shining on everyone.
Wulkan - | 3,311    
1 Jul 2017  #88

Can I have some of what you're drinking tonight?

Why, drinking what I do won't stop you being silly and ill-informed, I can only recommend you stop watching main-stream media for a start.
Dirk diggler 6 | 2,227    
2 Jul 2017  #89

Trump is a polarizing figure in poland that's for sure.. Even in my own family the older generations love him, the youth eh many think he's kind of a 'prostak' its definitely divided but nonetheless id still say the majority in pl likes trump because of his criticisms of merkel, the migrant crisis, protectionism etc. Much of his ideas line up with those of pis
cms 9 | 1,301    
2 Jul 2017  #90

No parades and no flowers - the reaction of most people in my office is to stay at home and work there because it will be easier than dealing with the closed roads. I do need t know anyone who is attending - either as a protester or because they are interested in whatever fatuous nonsense comes out of the mouth of this idiot.

Why assumptions and mockery ? Because we hate talking about Trump and Trump voters do not respond to facts. His own MO is to insult and slander so the right wing snowflakes must learn to handle insults and stereo types too.

In Poland he is widely derided as an idiot. Your idea of most Poles is totally off beam - people do not see every issue here through the prism of migrants and racial purity. They are more interested in prosaic things - health, their kids education, opportunities, infrastructure, having a stable economy and being secure. The EU supports all of those, whereas Trump supports none.




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