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Officials in Poland are hailing an upcoming visit by Donald Trump


Wulkan - | 3,187
24 Mar 2018 #421
Nothing Obama did comes close to the two catastrophic wars Bush unleashed in his tenure which aftereffects we still feel now.

I'll put them on the same level in terms of being bad president, sure Obama didn't start the wars but Bush happened to be the president in more difficult times form America, Obama was such a puppet with the strings attached to his arms, Jesus he couldn't even speak his mind without teleprompter.

youtu.be/JJFWypPcJjk
Tacitus 2 | 1,400
24 Mar 2018 #422
sure Obama didn't start the wars

You make this sound as if that is just a minor distinction. You can argue that the war in Afghanistan was justified, but also extremely costly. The Iraq war however was an complete and utter disaster, on every level. Nothing Obama did comes even close to this.

Jesus he couldn't even speak his mind without teleprompter.

Obama was an intellectual giant compared to Bush. It is just so painful to read reports on what Bush knew about the ME and how he got convinced by his advisors that the USA could export democracy to the entire ME. I am not a fan of Obama mind you, he was a mediocre president at best, but history will probably regard him more fondly than he deserves, because he a) did not cause a major scr*w-up like Bush, and looks like a saint compared to his successor. Hopefully not being completely moronic will not become the bar for being a good president after Trump.
Ironside 53 | 12,420
24 Mar 2018 #423
'll put them on the same level in terms of being bad president,

Depends what you have in mind. Obama was more into supporting all that PC stuff and propaganda with federal money and legislation.
On the world's stage he was slowly backing out of the USA policy of world's domination.
His domestic policy was divisive in many ways. He also stirred up racial hate. He was for unlimited and uncontrolled emigration and for abortion.
Commies and lefties would love it and did love it.

Bush was more into interested groups but beside taking America to war, here and there, his policies was pretty centrist on most issues.
TheOther 6 | 3,667
24 Mar 2018 #424
He inherited a budget surplus from Clinton and managed to turn that into a massive deficit within a short period of time. His administration - the main culprits being Cheney and Bolton - was responsible for leading the country into an unnecessary war in Iraq which cost hundreds of thousands of lives and billions of dollars. At the end of his second term, Bush and the traitor GOP handed Obama a recession which almost turned into a depression. Bush was a simpleton, but (unlike Trump) he was at least a likable human being who handled 9/11 really well. The clown show that currently runs the country is a joke. Why would Poland be excited about a Trump visit? Can't wait to get shafted, or what?
Wulkan - | 3,187
24 Mar 2018 #425
Replace "Trump" with "Trudeau" and it all makes sense.
Tacitus 2 | 1,400
24 Mar 2018 #426
One of the many things I do not understand about Trump is his fiscal policy. He has inherited a growing economy, yet intents to vastly increase the debts of the USA. Some people claim tha the democrats like to spend money, but the last two democratic presidents (Clinton and Obama, who inherited an economic crisis from Bush) showed financial restrain while repairing the economy. Bush and Trump however, who inherited a good economy, are piling up debts... .
shockedInpoland
24 Mar 2018 #427
unnecessary war in Iraq which cost hundreds of thousands of lives and billions of dollars.

Three Trillion Dollars, actually.
As much as I dislike him, Bush was quiet intelligent and well educated. he hid it well.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,131
24 Mar 2018 #428
One of the many things I do not understand about Trump is his fiscal policy.

It's a genuine mystery to me. It rather just proves that the Republicans are addicted to spending.
mafketis 37 | 10,906
24 Mar 2018 #429
a story in three parts:

Trump won the part primary by running against the Republican establishment and won the national election by continuing to do that (and running against H Clinton as an establishment candidate).

The Republican party establishment is bound and determined to continue policies that the American public doesn't want and Trump, being an outsider, doesn't have the leverage and/or know how to circumvent them.

If he doesn't get a wall built or stop foreign neocon military meddling or coddling banking interests he will be a one term president

As Shirley Bassey so memorably sang: It's all just a little bit of history repeating...

1976 / 2016 One party fields an outsider (Carter/Trump) who wins over an establishment legacy candidate (Ford/Clinton) who won the primary only after a bitter struggle against an intraparty insurgency (Reagan/Sanders).

1977-1979 The outsider is continually foiled by his own party and can't get his own agenda through (being an outsider and all)

1980/2020 The previous failed insurgent candidate takes the presidency and establishes a new political order? (Reagan/Sanders (or a new Sandersite democrat).

Both parties are fighting the realignment, the party that can get ahead of public sentiment (Repubs in 1980, maybe Dems in 2020) will be able set the agenda for decades...
jon357 74 | 22,056
24 Mar 2018 #430
If he doesn't get a wall built or stop foreign neocon military meddling or coddling banking interests he will be a one term president

It looks likely there's still plenty of scandal to come about electoral manipulation. The investigation about Russian involvement is still far from finished.
mafketis 37 | 10,906
24 Mar 2018 #431
That's all been a big nothing burger...

The point is that Americans (in growing numbers) are done with the neoliberal consensus of large scale unskiled immigration, foreign intervention, sucking up to wall street (invade the world, invite the world, in debt to the world) that both mainstream republicans and democrats (not least H Clinton) stand for.
Ironside 53 | 12,420
24 Mar 2018 #432
a story in three parts:

Yeah, that would be my response minus details.
I would say that both parties are pretty much compromised and toxic hence the cry for a new party to emerge. If Trump will pull through at least few of his key promises he might be the one to do it. that is a big IF...
mafketis 37 | 10,906
24 Mar 2018 #433
hence the cry for a new party to emerge

Not how the US system works, I don't think it'll be a new party. Traditionally each party acts like a long term coalition of different factions, when a realigniment comes along (like back in the 1970s and .... now....) one or more key factions switches party to very big effect.

The current realignment is about diversity (Clinton, Cruz, Rubio et al) vs solidarity (Sanders, Trump).

Both party establishments are fighting it (just as in the 1970s)
Ironside 53 | 12,420
24 Mar 2018 #434
Not how the US system works, I don't think it'll be a new party.

Maybe not right now. I think it heads in that direction. There historical examples of it happing in a huge realignment of the American political scene.
TheOther 6 | 3,667
24 Mar 2018 #435
Bush and Trump however, who inherited a good economy, are piling up debts

It's always the same with the GOP: when the Democrats are in power they preach "fiscal responsibility", when they are in power themselves they are deficit-spending as if there's no tomorrow. These people favor predatory capitalism - like Libertarians of the worst kind. Poland would lose big time doing business with these vultures.
Slavictor 6 | 193
24 Mar 2018 #436
Elaborate your link please

Hello, one could easily write a book on the psychopathology of Netanyahu. A thick one too. The link is an example of a Congress that pays homage to their master. Congress is owned by the israel lobby. Again, it is owned by it. Everybody knows this, except for Americans - ironically. The relationship is one of Host & Parasite. When we recognize this relationship we can see why the USA acts the way it does. Trump is now under their control. I had slight hopes he had a strong enough personality to both partially make up for incompetence and withstand the entrenched interest groups of Washington but this is not the case. He has fallen. Bolton as Nat Sec Adviser is another sure sign of this.
SigSauer 4 | 378
24 Mar 2018 #437
I think we know it, AIPAC is the largest lobby in Washington by dollars. We have a very unhealthy relationship with that COUNTRY. I have to make the delineation between the state, and the religion of course, because unless you are unquestioning and sing praise on the apartheid state, you may risk being called an anti-semite. I think Jews are lovely people, the current right wing government however would gain massive approval from a 1970s era South African government.
jon357 74 | 22,056
24 Mar 2018 #438
These people favor predatory capitalism - like Libertarians of the worst kind. Poland would lose big time doing business with these vultures.

One reason that Europe is very careful about doing business with them; food imports are a particular area of concern, due to low quality and poor labelling regulations. Pink foam and corn syrup anyone?
TheOther 6 | 3,667
24 Mar 2018 #439
GMO food and trans fats are of much bigger concern. Thankfully, the EU keeps that garbage out of the union. Here in the US, industry lobbyists made it a First Amendment issue. We should not restrict people's right to kill themselves with trans fatty acids, and the Libertarians applauded...
Joker 3 | 2,325
24 Mar 2018 #440
Thankfully, the EU keeps that garbage out of the union

So, they claim.......

statista.com/statistics/256044/mcdonalds-restaurants-in-europe/
foodservice-index.com/en-us/homesearch/fastfoodineurope.aspx

At least they dont have the cheese with the plastic wrapper on it yet..lol

I dont like the junk food in the USA either, but I have the choice not to eat it.
TheOther 6 | 3,667
24 Mar 2018 #441
The junk food over there kills you a little slower than the stuff we get here, Joker. No trans fats or GMO in the EU, as far as I know. Not yet?
SigSauer 4 | 378
25 Mar 2018 #442
Why is it a concern for you? It's pretty clear that someone as pretentious as you only shops in Whole Foods anyway. Also, if you don't like it in the states, you're welcome to leave and not let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. Again, is there anything at all you like about the United States? You take every opportunity to trash it, and pick some rather trivial topics to do so. I have legitimate criticisms about my own country (the US, my country, not yours), but I'm intelligent enough to have a nuanced opinion, and none of my criticisms revolve around the optional purchases and quality of junk food, ffs.
Slavictor 6 | 193
25 Mar 2018 #443
I think we know it

I think a few know it but it will require more than that to expedite meaningful change. There are scant few Michael Sheuer's publicly stating America should "dump israel tomorrow". Of course, Congressional ****** won't do that. American media is controlled by 6 companies, all with the same narrative and that narrative is all pro-israel. This is what Americans are exposed to and absorb.

As a religion, judaism obtains it's set of common laws from the babylonian talmud, a strictly tribal doctrine extremely hostile to any group outside of itself. I see judaism as psychopathic. I tend to measure interaction with individual jews on a case by case basis. I do have jewish friends but they oppose israel and are not religious. Jews are a race as one can be an atheist jew. Most jews, like most Christians with their Bible, have never opened the Talmud to develop an understanding of what their religion is based on. Judaism is arguably the most racist of existing belief systems, complete with enforced caste hierarchy within itself. Anti-semitism is a meaningless term, like all other cultural marxist terminology. Israel was formed out of terror, theft and brutality. It's continued existence is artificially maintained using these same techniques.

Americans are going to die for israel's expansion plans in the upcoming war with Syria, Iran & Lebanon and the rest of americans can pay for it while living in a bankrupt country wondering how it got that way.
TheOther 6 | 3,667
25 Mar 2018 #444
I'm intelligent

Yeah, you're one stable genius. LOL!

the US, my country, not yours

Grow up, kid.
SigSauer 4 | 378
25 Mar 2018 #445
Lol...I suppose when you're bested the only solution is to take something wildly out of context. I guess when you hate the country you live in you'll find the most ridiculous things to criticize it for. Really, the quality of junk food in the US versus the EU? I have a solution, don't buy it. Your posts about America are collectively some of the most ungrateful and self-righteous I've read. You live under the banner of protection and economic prosperity the country provides, but yet you have NOTHING positive to say about it.

I'd love to hear what you have to say about our men and women serving in the armed forces, or about defense contractors like myself living away from our loved ones. We're baby killers right?
TheOther 6 | 3,667
25 Mar 2018 #446
There are two kinds of people I have zero respect for: Nazi fu*cks and first/ second generation immigrants who wave the flag and try to lecture other immigrants about patriotism. Does that answer your question?

Really, the quality of junk food in the US versus the EU?

Reading comprehension is not your forte, obviously. See #439 and #440 for enlightment... :)
SigSauer 4 | 378
25 Mar 2018 #447
I think that my assumption is right in line with your politics, the type who denigrate our law enforcement and service members, but then hide behind the very security they provide. The other half of your post is ridiculous as no one is "pro Nazi." You've yet to answer the question as to whether you have anything positive to say at all about America, so far as I can tell the totality of your posts have nothing but negative things to say about our country, comprehend that.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,131
27 Mar 2018 #448
Pink foam and corn syrup anyone?

Yum yum, I bet Trump would love to sell that stuff to Poland!

Fortunately, Polish consumers would never accept such garbage, nor would it ever be allowed in the EU.
America First
28 Mar 2018 #449
The Scottish said the same thing before Trump turned Scotland into a golf course.
cms neuf 1 | 1,808
28 Mar 2018 #450
Well he is a 3 handicap golfer as he claims so so he needs somewhere good to play.

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