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North Koreans working in Poland and in Denmark


Lyzko 20 | 6,314
2 Jan 2018  #1
Curious how folks here on PF feel about such an incongruous situation. Unlike South Koreans, North Koreans speak no European languages (including English), as they're not allowed to study them. How then do they communicate with the Poles and the Danes? Hiring an interpreter can run into some serious money, almost as much as a lawyer. I know, I am an interpreter.

The North Koreans are clearly working entirely Black Market and are angering Washington. What are Poland, Denmark, and Germany doing about this matter?
jon357 63 | 14,110
2 Jan 2018  #2
The North Koreans are clearly working entirely Black Market

They aren't 'black market' - North Koreans never are. They're hired out by the government there in a form of modern slavery. This has been heavily criticised and as I remember, state companies in Poland had to change the contract. Private companies are not under the same pressure, and of course capitalists will always choose the cheapest and most exploitative option.

No need to hire interpreters; plenty of Koreans speak English as a second language as do many Poles.

Poland and North Korea have always had good official relations, though there is little or no popular affection in Poland for the Kim regime.
Wulkan - | 3,251
2 Jan 2018  #3
though there is little or no popular affection in Poland for the Kim regime.

Indeed, communism is commonly hated in Poland, some brainwashed voters of deplorable far left like Razem or Zlew love North Korea's way.
jon357 63 | 14,110
2 Jan 2018  #4
I doubt that, Wulky.

The PiS regime are nevertheless happy to do business with DPRK.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,346
2 Jan 2018  #5
Actually North Koreans worked in PL well before PiS came to power. The EU talks tough about NK yet they have no problems with NK running hostels and restaurants in Germany.

Many of the NK's who came to Poland, like the Vietnamese, came during the PRL years. Most of the NK's that are in PL are located in the tri cities where they are employed as ship builders and some in agriculture. These are legal activities. There is no ban on hiring North Korean workers and PO never did anything about the NK's working in Gdansk during their term in power either... so your assumption that PiS are actively doing business with DPRK is false as it is mostly private individuals/sp zoo's that are contracting NK's for the cheap labor. This was done before PO's term, during PO's term, and is still occurring under PiS.

Quite frankly, most Poles simply don't care about NK and don't care about the few thousand workers in the country....

Also, I'm pretty sure one of the high up Kims was up until very recently the ambassador to Poland and currently lives in Warsaw in one of the fancy neighborhoods.

The PiS regime are nevertheless happy to do business with DPRK.

This article says otherwise

upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2016/06/07/Poland-banned-North-Korea-workers-after-provocations-Warsaw-says/1311465318997

But according to the foreign ministry in Warsaw, not one work visa was issued to a North Korean national after the tests. In 2015, 156 work visas and 482 work permits were issued.

The Polish government also stated that it is looking into the case of a local shipbuilding company that was employing North Korean workers at its sites.
Wulkan - | 3,251
2 Jan 2018  #6
The PiS are nevertheless happy to do business with DPRK.

PiS is the party that stopped it, what PO scum had started.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,346
2 Jan 2018  #7
Yup.. Just one of many bad things that PiS had to clean up after PO. Funny how the EU loving and foreign media in Poland don't talk about how NK thrived under their regime, could come in and work freely, etc. It's to be expected though especially as they downplayed PO's stuffing of the courts, collusion, kowtowing to the EU's dictates to the dismay of the majority of Poles, etc.
jon357 63 | 14,110
2 Jan 2018  #8
PiS is the party that stopped it,

You do realise that as of 3 days ago they're still there, despite the awful PiS regime. Evidently not...

Birds of a feather...
Taxpaying voter
2 Jan 2018  #9
But according to the foreign ministry in Warsaw, not one work visa was issued to a North Korean national after the tests.

So the foreign ministry was either mistaken or flat out lying. The foreign ministry has SFA to do with the issuance of work permits, those are handled by provincial governments in Poland. The NY Times found the foreign ministry's claim suspicious and so:

The Times requested information on work permits issued to North Koreans from Poland's 16 provincial governments. Nine responded, reporting that they had given 124 new permits to North Koreans in 2017, and 253 the previous year.

nytimes.com/2017/12/31/world/europe/north-korea-poland-workers.html

PiS is the party that stopped it,

They haven't stopped it: there are still North Korean slaves in Poland and visas were still being issued right up to the point that the UN security council passed a resolution banning the use of North Korean labour anywhere
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,346
2 Jan 2018  #10
The foreign ministry has SFA to do with the issuance of work permits, those are handled by provincial governments in Poland

Actually it works alongside immigration as it is a security agency. Also, the MFA deals with issues of foreign nationals and governments, Poles abroad, works with embassies, other security and government institutions, etc. MFA are the ones who would undoubtedly have dealings with NK.

They haven't stopped it

They prevented the issuing of any new visas - far more than PO ever did
Taxpaying voter
2 Jan 2018  #11
Actually it works alongside immigration as it is a security agency. Also, the MFA deals with issues of foreign nationals

No it doesn't. I do understand that it's hard for those who live on the other side of the Atlantic to know much, if anything about Poland, but take it from somebody who has lived here for more than two decades, the MFA has SFA to do with foreign nationals on a day-to-day or case-by-case basis.

MFA are the ones who would undoubtedly have dealings with NK.

So the PIS appointed MFA were lying when they claimed that no new visas were being issued. No surprise given the attitude the 17% regime have to the truth.

And no, PIS did not prevent new visas from being issued, as the NY Times article makes crystal clear.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,346
2 Jan 2018  #12
17%? Youre confusing po support for pis which accordong to even wyborcza has well over 40% - double to triple of pos depending on which month, poll, etc youre going by. All of the sources nonetheless agree that pis is far ahead of po.

And yes mfa deals with foreign nationals visas what you need to enter poland customs info etc. All the info is on their website. They deal with threats to poland as well.
Taxpaying voter
2 Jan 2018  #13
17%?

Indeed, that is the percentage of eligible Poles who actually voted for PIS. Interestingly it's also pretty much the percentage of eligible Poles who actually joined the communist party. Those facts might also lead one to conclude that about the same percentage of Poles support the use of slave labour in Poland as it appears that one in six of the people here are either morons or deeply unpleasant.

yes mfa deals with foreign nationals visas

The MFA has got SFA to do with work permits. That simple fact is confirmed by anybody who knows anything about life in Poland and by the NY Times article you seem so interested in not discussing.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,346
2 Jan 2018  #14
Actually I read the article. Nothing new.... and not a big deal... quite hypocritical imo as NK has hostels and restaurants in Germany and businesses other EU countries. NK restaurants are very popular in China and SE Asia also.

Your 17% figure is extremely misleading as the turnout for both presidential and parliament election was right around 50%. Obviously you don't count blank ballots or count the 50% who didn't participate towards one party/person or other. I could say that the 50% who didn't participate would all vote for Kukiz, or half would vote for PiS, or 1/3 for PO - in any case it's all speculation. They didn't vote so you can only go off the 50% that did. Well, that 50% allowed for PiS to basically take every seat PO lost.

More people in Hungary voted in the referendum regarding migrant quotas. Yet the EU says its invalid. The bogus thing is the migrant referendum had a larger turnout than the referendum for EU entry. Funny how the EU and lefties will respect one referendum, but not another.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_parliamentary_election,_2015
50.92% turnout - with PiS and KUKIZ15 clear majority - PO receives 15% less share of the votes at 3.7 mil than last election and loses 69 seats in sejm and 34 in senate. PiS gains 8% more share than last election and gains 78 seats in sejm and 30 in senate. Add Kukiz 15 to PiS and you're at over 7 million votes to po's 3.6 mil. Nowoczesna's numbers weren't too far off from korwin.... freakin Korwin lol

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_presidential_election,_2015
48.96% (first round)
55.34% (second round)
OP Lyzko 20 | 6,314
2 Jan 2018  #15
@jon, I hate to contradict you, but I read recently in "The Journal of International Affairs" published by Princeton, I believe, that of all the nations in the developed world, North Korea has practically the lowest functional ability in English.

Can you imagine a conversation between a simple North Korean day laborer and their Polish supervisor??
Although somehow it seems to work, this is nonetheless the stuff of high comedy!
jon357 63 | 14,110
2 Jan 2018  #16
North Korea has practically the lowest functional ability in English.

They are however able to provide English speakers for key roles like this. The British Council operate in Pyongyang (or did until very recently), as do other training institutions. There are degree courses ar DPRK universities offered in English.

And the waitresses at the state-operated North Korean restaurants in Dubai and elsewhere all speak English nicely.

a conversation between a simple North Korean day laborer and their Polish supervisor??

Why would a day labourer speak to the client? They speak to their Korean supervisor, who speaks to their Korean manager who deals with the client.
OP Lyzko 20 | 6,314
3 Jan 2018  #17
Makes sense, jon. Spot on, sir!
jon357 63 | 14,110
3 Jan 2018  #18
Thinking about it, they aren't really day labourers - although the concept of day labour is a vicious failing of capitalism, thous man and women from DPRK are something far worse - they are outsourced slaves - something that shouldn't be happening anywhere.
OP Lyzko 20 | 6,314
3 Jan 2018  #19
With Trump in power, they will undoubtedly only become more numerous!
asdasdasd
7 Jun 2018  #20
"Actually North Koreans worked in PL well before PiS came to power. The EU talks tough about NK yet they have no problems with NK running hostels and restaurants in Germany."

What about brothels in Germany. Who runs them?


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