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Multi-culti (in Poland) -- roadmap to disaster?


modafinil - | 419
30 Aug 2011 #301
but still that's not what this thread is supposed to be about,is it? Have you actually read the OP? this thread continues to be rant, rant, rant in quite a random fashion.

No I just read the last page or so. I was commenting and adding to Teflcat's insight.
I can guess through extrapolation from other threads in the same vein that this one is it's filled with driveling hypocrites posting. Threads mutate, or as DE said it would have stopped 240 posts ago. I've also said earlier MC works in US, Aus, Canada, where natives have been extinguished.

There isn't a roadmap, MC is spontaneous.
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,437
30 Aug 2011 #302
the truth of the matter is:

most of the world was always multi with all the migration for centuries and free movement. Once the political and the economic borders have been established in the modern Western world- the politics of multiculturalism has emerged to serve the agenda of politicians and whoever benefits from it:).

OP is just another victim of that propaganda.
southern 74 | 7,074
30 Aug 2011 #303
most of the world was always multi

It was not multi.You will find that in the 19th century a Bavarian would consider a Hamburg inhabitant as sb from a foreign culture to say the least.
Ant63 13 | 410
30 Aug 2011 #304
When looking at a house with my Polish partner, her Polish friend said "You don't want to move there. Polish people live next door!"

I really laughed but soon understood is was no joke by her expression.

The area in which I live is referred to as the "Polish Ghetto" by some Poles. Personally I find them unobtrusive apart from the parking arrangements and their lack of understanding as to why Polish children living in England should speak English. 6 VW Passats don't fit in the drive of a 3 bed family home.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,163
30 Aug 2011 #305
and their lack of understanding as to why Polish children living in England should speak English.

Why should they?

There's no official language in England.
PWEI 3 | 612
30 Aug 2011 #306
Polish children living in England should speak English.

Why should they? I live in Poland and have no intention at all of learning to speak Polish.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,163
30 Aug 2011 #307
Why should they?

He lives in a gritty ex-mining town council estate and is unemployed (and divorced from a Polish woman, from the looks of things) - no wonder he thinks so ;)
Ant63 13 | 410
30 Aug 2011 #308
There's no official language in England.

Yes and I'm not allowed to be white English anymore. There is no box on the forms :(

Why should they? I live in Poland and have no intention at all of learning to speak Polish.

Slightly out of context but badly worded by myself. But why disable your children by suggesting they should always speak Polish in or around the home? Let them be natural and make the choice themselves.

I have made the effort to try and learn Polish BUT for me it is not going to happen. I understand whats being talked about (usually) but wrapping my tongue around them R's and things is not possible. To long in the tooth.
PWEI 3 | 612
30 Aug 2011 #309
Yes and I'm not allowed to be white English anymore. There is no box on the forms :(

So just tick the box marked 'other'.
Ant63 13 | 410
30 Aug 2011 #310
No I want a box with "English". That would suffice.

Would you want to be other if you were a Pole in Poland? It wouldn't happen.
PWEI 3 | 612
30 Aug 2011 #311
No I want a box with "English". That would suffice.

So write one on there and then tick it.

Would you want to be other if you were a Pole in Poland?

I frankly couldn't give a shiit what ethnic group somebody put me into.
Ant63 13 | 410
30 Aug 2011 #312
I guess when your country loses it's identity like the UK, it becomes important to some of us. Maybe being born during the last years of the empire makes a difference. I can't say I miss Charles and Annes summer holiday on Blue Peter though. Spoilt buggers. It was a different England then. The village station master was a true racist. If a black person got off the train, he kept them there until the next train arrived.

My school friends who moved to London some 30 odd yesrs ago are now coming back saying it's lonely because there are so few English people. That's sad.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,163
30 Aug 2011 #313
I guess when your country loses it's identity like the UK, it becomes important to some of us.

Please, don't mix up your English views with us Scots - we don't want anything to do with your longing for the days of English domination.

My school friends who moved to London some 30 odd yesrs ago are now coming back saying it's lonely because there are so few English people. That's sad.

Few English people? The last demographic data suggested that England was around 89% White English.
Ant63 13 | 410
30 Aug 2011 #314
He lives in a gritty ex-mining town council estate and is unemployed (and divorced from a Polish woman, from the looks of things) - no wonder he thinks so ;)

I'm happily divorced from an English women and happily living with a very attractive Polish women. We have two happy little ones. I have never been happier in my life. Oh how wrong you are!

Few English people? The last demographic data suggested that England was around 89% White English.

Have you been to Leicester, Bradford or London. I read 2 years ago that in 2012 Leciesters poulation would be in the greater majority, Asian. Notice I made no previous reference to blacks other than to the 'Racist' station master. Please point me in the direction of your data. It's interesting as I am here and what I see is a little different. Remember statistics can be made to suit your purpose and your reference to White English is in my opinion unlikely to be correct as is more likely to be white. A subtle but massive difference.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,862
30 Aug 2011 #315
Yes and I'm not allowed to be white English anymore. There is no box on the forms

well there is. or are you just repeating some ficticious mantra from the Daily Mail?
delphiandomine 88 | 18,163
30 Aug 2011 #316
BRITAIN FOR THE BRITISH!

Gotta love the way that he's complaining about foreigners despite being married to one himself.
modafinil - | 419
30 Aug 2011 #317
Please point me in the direction of your data

85% White British in Britain. ONS.
Ant63 13 | 410
30 Aug 2011 #318
Gotta love the way that he's complaining about foreigners despite being married to one himself.

Please read posts carefully and then you won't make silly mistakes. I'm not married.

I don't read the Daily Mail, I'm an Al Jazeera viewer. I prefer my news without a goverment slant on it. Britain for the British. I'm sorry again you are being a little slovenly. I am talking about being English not British. A subtle difference again.

Am I complaining about foreigners or is that a poor interpretation of what I have said? Tanslation never works well.

I freely admit I have issues with Poland, but these issues pertain to Polish justice and not polish people although arrogance and being rude are not the most endearing of Polish male traits. If you live with one, you learn to accept the rest.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,163
30 Aug 2011 #319
I freely admit I have issues with Poland, but these issues pertain to Polish justice

Given that you did everything yourself in Poland, are you surprised that you had problems?

Plenty of Poles have had problems with English justice, too. Does it mean that the English system is dreadful?
Ant63 13 | 410
30 Aug 2011 #320
Given that you did everything yourself in Poland, are you surprised that you had problems?

Ok here is an example for you so you understand what I'm getting at.

Firstly I spent over £5000 on legal advice in Poland in a two week period. Every penny was wasted because the lawyers we spoke too had no concept of Law outside of Poland and how international law overides Polish law. At that time I also had no concept of this.

Brussels II Bis (A convention signed by Poland) clearly states that if you are habitually resident in a country then you can start a divorce in that country. If you ask a Polish lawyer they will tell you it's impossible. In Poznan anyway.

Without checking back, I doubt I said everything in Poland as that would of been untrue. My work in Poland was to help our lawyer understand English Law and how International Law should be applied and is applied in other countries. Law is really not complicated but the language used often is. As you are more than likely aware, most of Polish law is based on the 1965 Family and Gaurdianship code. Much of which was forward thinking and much of which is outdated and aimed at keeping families together what ever the cost. The section on corporal punishment for children is quite shocking to western readers although this was updated in 2010 with an anti smacking law.

To put things into context for you, here is what happenned.

The childrens father brought them to England and on the same day beat his wife. (Regular Occurance in Poland)
She decided there and then the marraige was finished.
He agreed to leave the children in England.
Almost daily telephone conversations between father and children.
3 months later he visits children for 1 week.
Telephone conversations continue
Dec 2010 Children taken to Poland to visit Father
January 6th 2011 children were not returned and father dissapears for 3 days.
3 days later he contacts Police who do nothing as he has parental authority equal to the mothers.
Children are extremely distressed with the older child not speaking and banging his head against furniture and walls
Father thinks this is a romantic situation (deluded)
3 days later the older child is left with mother on condition she doesn't take him to a doctor
On advice from lawyer he is driven to Berlin and I bring them back to England.
Child is very distressed
Next day visit a Polish psychiatrist.
Don't believe what we hear. Both children are drugged for 3 days and on the first day one child had to be shaken to resusitate after father had held his hand over his mouth and the child had gone unconscious.

Psychiatrist confirms he believes its true as everything would be out of the childs experience and the conversation was totally natural.
Fly back to Poland with report in Polish and go to court 2 days later to try and get younger child back to safety.

Polish Court rejected all documents. This process took one and a half minutes. The judge was severely reprimanded by a higher court 3 months later

The Polish process to get out of this mess would take up to 2 years.

A little different to how we treat children in England
Foreigner4 12 | 1,768
30 Aug 2011 #321
the term "multi cultural" is not a synonym for mass immigration, as it being used here.

In today's western world you cannot have a multi cultural platform without it meaning the gates are wide open, everyone's welcome, no questions asked and "integration" becomes an afterthought and then it becomes a racist's expectation:/

People on this thread are using the term how it's actually expressed in national policies imo...
There are no shades of gray/grey these days politically- you must be completely on board and unquestioning of one issue or completely against it.

So until a sensible middle ground cements itself, I have to be against what is being passed for "multiculturalism" in Poland.
I've seen its effects elsewhere and I'm not impressed.
Des Essientes 7 | 1,290
30 Aug 2011 #322
In today's western world you cannot have a multi cultural platform without it meaning the gates are wide open, everyone's welcome, no questions asked

This is what is known as the "straw man" fallacy. No country in the Western world has such an immigration policy welcoming "everyone" with "no quesions asked".
Foreigner4 12 | 1,768
30 Aug 2011 #323
^while an exaggeration to an extent it is closer to the mark than you will either admit or are aware of.-it is a matter of "getting there" for many and nothing else. In any case, the comment was directed towards the proponents of "multiculturalism." But, hey, cool, you got to use some debating lingo.
KingAthelstan 9 | 142
21 Sep 2011 #324
Merged: This is Warsaw in 50 years time....

You should try multiculturalism...its fun :)

youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=g8gZ8JKw1rw

youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qoMeUcC_M20
pip 10 | 1,659
21 Sep 2011 #325
don't be silly
pawian 223 | 24,375
21 Sep 2011 #326
This is Warsaw in 50 years time....

Nope. Polish traditional society will make Arabs and other immigrants adopt Polish culture. I see it now in my kids` schools and kindergartens. E.g., immigrants` children go to religion classes and have First Holy communion together with Poles.

I believe in the strength of Polish culture.

don't be silly

Hey, that is my licentia poetica!
ShAlEyNsTfOh 4 | 161
22 Sep 2011 #327
Merged: This is Warsaw in 50 years time....

You should try multiculturalism...its fun :)

lmao... WOW... I live in the world's most multicultural city (Toronto) and I have never once witnessed such events here as those taking place in the vids.

We have soo many more blacks, indians, muslims, chinese etc. here than the UK... I mean, I work alongside and interact with these people in a civilized manner daily. I don't understand how or why the hell these kind of events begin to unfold throughout the UK, especially in London.

PS. THIS crap in warsaw? NOT IN OUR LIFETIME. :)
Foreigner4 12 | 1,768
22 Sep 2011 #328
We have soo many more blacks, indians, muslims, chinese etc. here than the UK.

That is false.

I guess this is a better place for it:

The Downside of diversity
(by a liberal Harvard professor)

boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2007/08/05/the_downside_of_diversity
Happymeal 7 | 35
18 Jan 2012 #329
How Foreigner Friendly is Krakow?

Interesting read as Krakow and Poland as a whole become more Foreigner Friendly / Multicultural :)

krakowpost.com/article/2659
Angel-eyes
18 Jan 2012 #330
there is nothing good about EUSSR style multi-cult that is forced onto countries.


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