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Modern F-35 bought by Poland. Good decision?


mafketis 24 | 8,930
11 Feb 2020 #121
That said, US has not won a war since the 1950th

It was successful against the mighty nation of Grenada in 1983.... and arguably against Panama in around 1990 but apart from that, just one big floparooni..
Weimarer 8 | 415
11 Feb 2020 #122
@Torq

Where was polish help when we had massive flood few years ago?

We always help, but when we are in trouble, we are always alone.

Name me one instance, just one, where Polish helped Germany.
Torq 32 | 2,916
11 Feb 2020 #123
How about when we stopped the Red Army rolling your way in 1920?
johnny reb 28 | 4,432
11 Feb 2020 #124
And no, the F-35 cant go supersonic.

Are you sure about that ?

She is only able to go super sonic for short burts.

So you change your mind now ?
Good boy, listen and learn.
Weimarer 8 | 415
11 Feb 2020 #125
@johnny reb

She can go supersonic for 50 seconds...

Eurofighter for 2h.

Dude what worth has an aircraft that can go supersonic for just 50 seconds?

@Torq
Red Army in 1920? What? You want tell me now russia wanted take Germany in 1920?
Torq 32 | 2,916
11 Feb 2020 #126
Definitely. Their aim was to spread the revolution on the entire continent. They wouldn't stop on Germany either.
Weimarer 8 | 415
11 Feb 2020 #127
@Torq
Was there a war in 1920? Never heared about that.
Miloslaw 6 | 2,771
11 Feb 2020 #128
The state of our airforce is still magnitudes above yours

I am in the UK.
The RAF pisses all over the luftwaffe......

even on aircraft carriers where Germany does not

Exactly, Germany have no aircraft carriers, zero, zilch.....
Weimarer 8 | 415
11 Feb 2020 #129
@Miloslaw

The RAF? You mean the country that got bullied out of the gulf from Iran? From Iran!

Since Iran kicked the UK in the balls few montns ago, i doubt they **** at anyone, propably still have a pissing katheter attached.

When Iran took that british ship and told the british war ship to **** off...was pure gold.

@Miloslaw
Aiecraft carriers? Thats 20th century.

Nobody needs that **** in a time where computer warfare, hypersonic weapons and drones rule

What else is top for you? Catapults to storm castles?
Miloslaw 6 | 2,771
11 Feb 2020 #130
The RAF?

Don't be such a wally and pray that Germany does not declare war on the UK, because this time we are more than ready for you.... LOL!!!

Aiecraft carriers? Thats 20th century

Really?Just remind me of that when our two aircraft carriers anchor off Hamburg...... wombat!
Weimarer 8 | 415
11 Feb 2020 #131
@Miloslaw

Why should the Nr1 of Europe declare war on the Nr. 3?

As for your aircraft carriers, they cant anchor infront Hamburg for geographic reasons. They would need german pilots and tugs to bring them in. Hamburg is almost 100km from the sea and you must go up the river Elbe. Without support you get stuck.

You have no clue what you say.

On a side note, an aircraft carrier going up a river delta in any conflict is dead.
TheOther 5 | 3,762
11 Feb 2020 #132
our two aircraft carriers

Have they finally found a few crop dusters to put on those ships or are the British aircraft carriers still without any aircraft? Also, have they plugged the leak on the HMS Queen Elizabeth already? LOL! What I'm saying is, that both the British and German militaries are in an abysmal state. Not necessarily a bad thing though, because ... who in his right mind would start a war in Europe nowadays? The U.K. won't, Russia won't, Germany won't, and Serbia won't either...
Miloslaw 6 | 2,771
11 Feb 2020 #133
Why should the Nr1 of Europe declare war on the Nr. 3?

Exactly, because Germany would lose.

As for your aircraft carriers, they cant anchor infront Hamburg

They are aircraft carriers dummy, they do not need to be that close to Hamburg to launch their aircraft against your Cesna's with a guy leaning out of the window firing a pistol..... LOL!!

So much for German defence....all gone....
Weimarer 8 | 415
11 Feb 2020 #134
@Miloslaw

The british aircraft carriers currently have no functional aircrafts.

One of the two currently is out of order because it has multiple leaks.

You expect us to lay on the ground and go ko from laughing?

thesun.co.uk/news/9482087/hms-queen-elizabeth-third-leak/

Dude the only thing scary on the Uk is its horse faced queen and her zombie

hag
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,362
11 Feb 2020 #135
Actually US lost both gulf wars. Iraq has become a iranian colony now.

No, the US won both war without turning sweat.

Iraq has become a iranian colony now

If the aftermath goes into the definition of what a win is, then the US lost WW2, as well, because, in return for our generosity and humanity, we got unfair econ competitors like Germany and Japan that enjoyed our open markets while happily slapping tariffs on the American products. Perhaps, next time, we should leave both countries resembling a parking lot with a pile of dead bodies from starvation. Will you then give us a win?

The fact that we allowed this bullsh*it is another matter and has nothing to do with the US abilities to win wars.

It hasn't won a war in how many decades? It can't even keep sand pits like Iraq or Afghanistan under control

Hey, genius, the US never declared war on Afghanistan and was never at war with Afghanistan. Duh! The US never won a war with Brazil, either, genius.

The US swamp turned the US army into nannies, cops, social workers, hospital and road construction crews with the orders not to shoot until shot dead. Why would they do it? Because the US swamp makes money that way and that is why this bullsh*it continues on. Nothing to do with US army.
Weimarer 8 | 415
11 Feb 2020 #136
@Rich Mazur
Dont blame us for your idiocy.

Hate the game, not the player.

Beside that we produce good stuff, USA produces nothing we want. Thats why we dont buy american. Nothing to do with tariffs
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,362
11 Feb 2020 #137
Beside that we produce good stuff,

I am not into humor. Your cars are at the bottom of the reliability scale and I can prove it. Only the very rich can afford them until the warranty runs out.

What the US makes is a different subject and if Germans don't want to buy US products that's their decision. I am fine with that.

That the US is treated like sh*it is another. Tariffs are set by the governments and everybody in Europe loves them. Then came Trump.

Dont blame us for your idiocy.

I never do and my posts confirm it.

Hate the game, not the player.

When the Americans die, it ain't no game. To me, one dead American is one too many. The rest of the world can go to hell and I wouldn't send anyone or anything to bail you, Euro-as*holes, out again.
TheOther 5 | 3,762
11 Feb 2020 #138
Your cars are at the bottom of the reliability scale and I can prove it

Prove it!

(or look at the Top 10):
jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2019-us-vehicle-dependability-studyvds
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,362
12 Feb 2020 #139
Memo to all who are tempted to rip into the US: be very selective, very specific and very careful.
I don't want to read any crap that lumps everyone and everything into some idiotic, feel-good one-liner. Like that F-35 being "trash" because inside that trash there is somebody's son. I know it's a hyperbole, but I still don't like it, so take a chill pill.
Ironside 49 | 10,680
12 Feb 2020 #140
Eastern Germany was under communist rule for 44 years, yet it was better than any other in warsaw bloc.

Nope, it wasn't.

the F-35

It not good. What more is not good or needed for Poland military. It is decision made by dumb politicians for political reasons. So, Polish taxpayers will pay for it. Putting investment in our military very needed on hold - one again. PiS sucks. Still, your politicians let in millions of Arabs. HA!

Polish Air Force knows better what do they need or don't need.

Phew, They are not the ones making decisions. Bides last thing Poland's army need are some more planes. There are other issues and needs that need to be sorted out first.
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,362
12 Feb 2020 #141
Still, your politicians let in millions of Arabs.

Seriously. Did they really? I read about Ukrainians, but not Arabs.
AntV 2 | 167
12 Feb 2020 #142
The message...our friend Donald Trump sends to the entire world...is very simple, yet powerful - "f*ck with Poland, f*ck with us". God bless America!

Hear ye! Hear ye! Glad to see you warmed up to the Great Combover.

My best friend and his dad built a aerospace engineering consulting business that worked on a lot of defense contracts. About 10 years ago, they weren't fans of the F-35. They were skeptical of the joint force complexities of the aircraft ever being smoothed out and they thought it was a big waste of money. Word now is that it's meeting its potential and is a lethal warplane. That single engine is powerful and makes it lightweight and capable of long ranges. This thinking that the fastest is the bestest is outdated. It's all about out-of-view engagement--the F-35 seems to be top-notch in that category.

I think its time you drop the push for a Gerpolia and embrace an Ameripolia!
Torq 32 | 2,916
12 Feb 2020 #143
Nice to see you, Anti. :)

I think its time you drop the push for a Gerpolia and embrace an Ameripolia!

Well, some German members of this forum make me think that this whole Gerpolia project isn't really viable.
Weimarer 8 | 415
12 Feb 2020 #144
@Rich Mazur

Then came Trump?

Germany rocked another record high export surplus last year. Infact its even rising since Trump is in power. Why you think it is that way?

Look, Poland is free to buy the trash it wants. Germany checked the F-35, labelled it as trash and dismissed it. We are also free to do that.

On a sidenote, Trump would not even be able to spot poland on a map. To believe UsA would care about Poland is naive at best.

They want you buy their **** and thats about it.

How well is LOT doeing with their Boeings so far?
johnny reb 28 | 4,432
12 Feb 2020 #145
Infact its even rising since Trump is in power. Why you think it is that way?

Because it's not that's why.
Do you know who's really worried about Big Tech ?
America's lagging economic rivals like Germany that's who.
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,362
12 Feb 2020 #146
Trump would not even be able to spot poland on a map.

But I am sure he knows where Poland is.
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,362
12 Feb 2020 #147
Germany has a bigger problem than F-35. It became a disloyal and cowardly parasite. From FT.com:
Germany rejects US request for help in the Gulf

But on Tuesday Germany rebuffed a formal Washington request for support, saying it would not contribute to a US-led naval mission in the region.

A spokeswoman for the US embassy in Berlin said: "We have formally asked Germany to join France and the UK to help secure the Straits of Hormuz and combat Iranian aggression. Members of the German government have been clear that freedom of navigation should be protected . . . Our question is, protected by whom?


Germany has pussyfied itself into irrelevance and became just an annoying liability to the US and its allies. You don't need that F-35. We will protect you for free.
Miloslaw 6 | 2,771
12 Feb 2020 #148
And with F35's............
Weimarer 8 | 415
12 Feb 2020 #149
@Rich Mazur

Germany has no problem with Iran, the problem in the region is UsA.

Why should Germany send ships there? What for? We have zero problems with Iran.

We have a very good umderstanding of the region. USA spreads only chaos there.

Germany did not go Iraq, we knew it would collapse, we predicted same for Libya and we see same in Iran.

We dont follow USA like brainless zombies. We think their decissions are wrong and that we dont support that.

@johnny reb

2019 we had again a record high export surplus

And budget surplus. While USA again has a massive budget deficit.

On a sidenote, loyality? What for? USA can go eat ****. They are a sinking former worldpower. We do whats good for us.

Staging war with Iran is not in german interest, we want stability down there.

And F 35 wont protect anything, they are worthless, slow ****, we already cleared that.

Too bad for Germany but for Poland its good enough.
johnny reb 28 | 4,432
12 Feb 2020 #150
On a sidenote, loyality?

Ah yes, let me give you an example of YOUR over rated loyalty son.

USA can go eat ****. They are a sinking former worldpower.

German business and political leaders don't see things that way.
Not at all.
But how could they, really?
As a great new piece in the Financial Times notes, not only is Apple alone worth more than 20 times German industrial giant Siemens, but "at $1.35tn the iPhone maker is worth more than the entire Dax index of Germany's 30 leading companies."

That disparity "is a striking example of how Europe's largest economy risks being left behind by the 21st century tech boom."
Germany is ending up just to be a work bench by designing no new products.


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