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Mass immigration to Poland - article and response



DariuszTelka 5 | 194    
4 Oct 2009  #1

This is an article I found concerning immigration to Poland.

presseurop.eu/en/content/news-brief-cover/92871-poland-closes-door-immigrants#comment-3011

Poland closes door on immigrants

According to unofficial sources quoted by Rzeczpospolita, Poland refuses to accept illegal immigrants landing each year on Italian, Spanish or Greek beaches. Italian foreign minister Franco Frattini has recently asked that all EU countries should bear the cost of providing for the illegal immigrants or accept some of them in their territory.

My response:

I was born in Poland in 1974, and left for Norway in 1977. I have some family living in Germany, but almost no family left in Poland. Fortunately, I inherited a house from my late father in the Katowice region, and I now have a connection with poland again.

After living 32 years in the "west", in Norway, which used to be a beautiful and peaceful country I have now decided to move back to Poland and settle my family there. The main reason for this is the uncontrolled immigration from the third world to Norway in the last 30 years.

The situation in Norway is becoming unbearable. We have over 300 000 people from the third world, mainly living in the big cities. It might not seem like a big number, but when you consider that only about 5 million people live in Norway, it is a very high number.


voxeurop.eu/nl/contact?cid=3011&destination=%2Fnl%2Fcontent%2Fnews-brief%2F92611-polen-huiverig-voor-immigranten


wildrover 98 | 4,459    
4 Oct 2009  #2

Well i can,t disagree.......I think this problem is one thats going to blow up in our faces some day...
Seanus 15 | 19,750    
4 Oct 2009  #3

This is unfortunately affecting all Scandinavian countries. If they are causing all manner of social problems, they should be turned away. This is why I value national sovereignty so that national apparatus can take all relevant steps to oust them. The UN doesn't have a clue how to protect people properly. If such immigrants come to Poland and beat me, I'll beat them twice as hard back. I feel for Norwegians at this time. In Aberdeen, Scotland, we have more Indians and Chinese and they tend to be quiet, law-abiding citizens. However, radical elements are casting their nets ever wider and may the world not be deceived by them.
Sokrates 8 | 3,352    
4 Oct 2009  #4

Norwegians have no right to their own country, give it to Poles.
rafik 18 | 591    
4 Oct 2009  #5

Wow.Wait a few minutes and there will be voices here calling you an idiot, racistst etc.I wrote a few things about this problem in England but 90% of people here disagreed and said that immigration from muslim countries is nothing to be worried about....
szkotja2007 27 | 1,511    
4 Oct 2009  #6

Of all the registered rapes of women last year, a hundred percent (100%)

That is a stunning statistic !
I didn't think it could be true but it appears to be so, certainly for Oslo.
niejestemcapita 2 | 561    
4 Oct 2009  #7

DariuszTelka:
Of all the registered rapes of women last year, a hundred percent (100%)
That is a stunning statistic !
I didn't think it could be true but it appears to be so, certainly for

source?
Seanus 15 | 19,750    
4 Oct 2009  #8

Yeah, Gorgoroth are from Bergen so Oslo escaped them ;) ;)

Seriously though, law enforcement needs to take a stand. Sparking a religious war is hardly a new thing anymore. They can't be allowed to destroy civilised countries like Norway. Many Scots see them as some kind of distant brothers and we should help out in any way we can. They can't suffer in silence.
OP DariuszTelka 5 | 194    
4 Oct 2009  #9

This is from Verdens Gang, the biggest daily newspaper:

XXXX://XXX.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/artikkel.php?artid=561939

This is from NRK, the Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation, the state owned TV station.

XXXX://XXX.nrk.no/nyheter/1.6567955

And I'm sorry to say, this is just the tip of the iceberg. I have hundreds of these links and statistics on all aspects of everyday life. From robberies, rapes, gang rapes, murders, honor killings, tax fraud, benefit fraud, inter-marriage, homophobic/religious attacks . There is no aspect of life or no person who is not affected by the mass immigration of third world, muslim people.

There is a list circulating on the different internet-forums in Norway with a specific name/cause/date of murders of norwegian citizens done by third world immigrants. Currently the list has over a 100 names. But that list is the one where all the information is known to the public. The dark side of that list is much longer.

Dariusz
SzwedwPolsce 11 | 1,596    
4 Oct 2009  #10

There is a big diffence between Oslo (maybe also Bergen) and the rest of Norway.

But I have the solution to the problem, everyone who commits crimes should be kicked out immediately.

Kick out the crimial trash, and let hardworking people who adjust to Norwegian culture stay. If you do this all the problems you wrote about will disappear.

Oslo, the capitol of Norway. Here we have schools where over 90% of the pupils are from the third world.

True.

Young boys are being beat up, stabbed and sometimes killed on our streets for a cigarette or their i-pod.

Norway has the lowest number of murders in the whole world (per capita).

Of all the registered rapes of women last year, a hundred percent (100%), were perpetrated by third world men/gangs.

Not true. I know cases (even without checking the statistics) where "ethnical" Norwegians were convicted for rape last year.

95% of all robberies were perpetrated by people from the third world.

Immigrants are responsible for many robberies. But 95% is not realistic.

Women are told not to go out alone after dark

I can promise you that there are areas in all major Polish cities where women shouldn't walk alone when it's dark.

But one day that will dry up, and how will our government pay for everything then?

Norway has no debt to other countries, and they saved 1000 billions NOK from oil so far, that's over 100 billions €.
And the hardworking people (incl. immigrants) who stay in Norway will render money to the welfare.

vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/artikkel.php?artid=561939

This article says that in the last 3 years there have been 41 reported rapes in Oslo, where the victim did not know the offender. That is an average of 13.7 such rapes per year. A rather low number. But 100% of those rapes were made by immigrants from countries outside the Western part of the world (mostly Muslims).

It's tragic.
OP DariuszTelka 5 | 194    
4 Oct 2009  #11

Hello SzwedwPolsce!

I posted links to the 100% rapes in Oslo in a post above. It was for Oslo, not for the whole country. The rest of the country the statistics will vary from 80-90%. All gangrapes in the whole of Norway are from muslim third world immigrants.

When it comes to robberies:

From Dagbladet, the leading leftist newspaper in Norway:

XXXX://XXX.dagbladet.no/2009/07/09/nyheter/ran/vold/oslo/7128753/

In the article it says; "Out of the 55 people arrested for brutal robberies and knifeattacks in Oslo last year, only 4 were ethnic Norwegians. These are repeat offenders and are behind HUNDREDS of attacks."

You mention that Norway has the lowest death per capita in the whole world. But why then import more murderers to our country? I really don't see the logic in that. Are our politicians trying to get us down from 1st place as the safest country in the world, by allowing thousands of war-struck refugees from Iraq, Afghanistan and Somalia to roam our streets with long butcher knifes, where they randomly stab people?

XXXX://XXX.dagbladet.no/nyheter/2008/10/28/551911.html

(This is just a random link I found out of hundreds).

You also mentioned that women in Poland also are weary of going in badly lit areas after dark. But how many gangrapes were there in Poland last year? How many women were drugged down, taken to apartments where they were held for hours, even days, while tortured, gangraped and had their lives ruined? These are not EVERYDAY occurances, but are not so rare that people gasp at them anymore. They have become part of our multicultural life. Not to mention underage rapes of 12-13-14 year old norwegian girls by immigrant gangs.

And last about the comment about our oil reserves. This is money that are invested in funds and banks all around the world. If the world economy collapses, the oil market collapses, the oil runs out....we are in a big shithole. Norway needs to build up an economy based on real values, crafts, building things. Liquid gold under the sea is a nice cushin, but this will end one day.

Dariusz

This article says that in the last 3 years there have been 41 reported rapes in Oslo, where the victim did not know the offender. That is an average of 13.7 such rapes per year. A rather low number. But 100% of those rapes were made by immigrants from countries outside the Western part of the world (mostly Muslims).

It's tragic.

There is no mention that they DID NOT KNOW their attackers. Anyways, does that matter? But what you are failing to see, and I can sense the detbate logic here, is that "it's not THAT HIGH" of a number. But look at it from the other side. If these people were not in my country, then there would be 41 norwegian women who were NOT RAPED. 41 norwegian women who did not get their lives ruined by sadistic muslim men.

Besides....to the fact that there were 41 REPORTED rapes. The police admit that the dark numbers are much, much higher. When women get raped, many go home and take showers, they are embarassed, they don't want their families, their husbands or children to know what happened. They don't want to face their attacker, if he/they are found. Going through courtcases, being exploited on a witness stand for everone to see.

And listen, this is in Norway, the "best country to live in in the world"....how do you think the statistics are for Sweden, England, France, Holland, Germany? Countries with MILLIONS of third world immigrants?

My point is not to come here and overflow this forum with rape-statistics or the end is near propaganda. But the numbers are clear. I just don't want Poland to be in this company of countries who struggle with these problems. Polish people shouldn't have to read about young girls being abducted by muslim youth, or about muslim gang shootings in shopping areas in the middle of a saturday, where families and innocent bystanders are graced by bullets, or by tax frauds in the millions by thousands of third world immigrants who don't report income, use illegal employees under harsh conditions or read about criminal activity from people who we took in under false pretences with a warm heart and a helping hand.

Poland has enough with herself. Enough crime, enough murders, enough poverty. But it's a country that is culturally, ethnically and financially able to prosper and advance in all of lifes challenges. Norway has stagnated in a quagmire of immigration politics and financial hubaluba. No progress. No unity. No future.

Dariusz
Grzegorz_ 52 | 6,247    
4 Oct 2009  #12

Unfortunately with the whole EU crap It seems that It's only a matter of time when when this whole s*it is going to appear here.
SzwedwPolsce 11 | 1,596    
4 Oct 2009  #13

From Dagbladet

Unfortunately with the whole EU crap It seems that It's only a matter of time when when this whole s*it is going to appear here.

I read the articles. The situation is bad. There is only one solution, to kick out everyone who behaves badly. All countries should do this. If people come to a new country they should behave well, and adjust to the new culture and way of living.
Grzegorz_ 52 | 6,247    
4 Oct 2009  #14

Too late, a lot of that s*it already got citizenship... Where are you going to kick out Norwegian citizen ?
SzwedwPolsce 11 | 1,596    
4 Oct 2009  #15

a lot of that s*it already got citizenship

It's difficult to get a citizenship if your criminal record is ugly. And if someone managed to get a citizenship anyway, do the same as they should do with non-immigrants who commit crimes. Lock them up for a very long time, and let them work to pay for all the damage they have caused.
Seanus 15 | 19,750    
4 Oct 2009  #16

I agree with SwedePole, they need to go. Norway has the right and Norwegians expect that sth should be done. The sooner they ship them off home, the better.
FredChopin - | 61    
4 Oct 2009  #17

If they are causing all manner of social problems, they should be turned away.

But the problem is they are theoretically already there.

If such immigrants come to Poland and beat me, I'll beat them twice as hard back.

And risk ejection from Poland as well?

They can't be allowed to destroy civilised countries like Norway

Yeah, let them focus on continuing the destruction of the rest of Europe, but keep Norway clean!

But I have the solution to the problem, everyone who commits crimes should be kicked out immediately.

Agreed.

and let hardworking people who adjust to Norwegian culture stay

But, as we have seen in the UK, 2nd Generation can be radicalized... After all the assistance, benefits and luxuries modern society has afforded them, they still turn! Do you send the second generation back too?

Norway has the lowest number of murders in the whole world (per capita).

And I am sure they would like to keep it that way. Any increase in crime is unacceptable.

But look at it from the other side. If these people were not in my country, then there would be 41 norwegian women who were NOT RAPED. 41 norwegian women who did not get their lives ruined by sadistic muslim men.

Amen.

It's difficult to get a citizenship if your criminal record is ugly. And if someone managed to get a citizenship anyway, do the same as they should do with non-immigrants who commit crimes. Lock them up for a very long time, and let them work to pay for all the damage they have caused.

It is nearly impossible to complete a criminal background check on these people when they show up without documentation. Who are they really? And, why give them citizenship in the first place?
OsiedleRuda    
4 Oct 2009  #18

Unfortunately with the whole EU crap It seems that It's only a matter of time when when this whole s*it is going to appear here.

It's the price Poland will be forced to pay in exchange for all those new motorways, unfortunately. There is also a current attempt to get Turkey to do a deal to sort out the Armenian genocide issue. Which is absolutely NOTHING to do with Turkey trying to get into the EU, I'm sure.. </cynic> ;)
Seanus 15 | 19,750    
4 Oct 2009  #19

Get them out, the message is simple! Sometimes risks need to be taken. I was speaking about Norway, not the rest of Europe. They should take measures too. Denmark is taking a firm line on it.
FredChopin - | 61    
4 Oct 2009  #20

It is like a doctor telling somebody to stop smoking when a terminal case of lung cancer is detected.
Seanus 15 | 19,750    
4 Oct 2009  #21

So what do you propose, Fred, mass murder? ;)
FredChopin - | 61    
4 Oct 2009  #22

I like the idea of internment camps. All facing east of course.

I hear Russia has a little bit of land left over. They could start their own Utpia there.
SzwedwPolsce 11 | 1,596    
4 Oct 2009  #23

Unfortunately with the whole EU crap It seems that It's only a matter of time when when this whole s*it is going to appear here.

It has nothing to do with the EU. People in the Middle East don't care if they go to a EU-country or not.
Seanus 15 | 19,750    
4 Oct 2009  #24

LOL. It sounds workable. Maybe we should try some FEMA mass graves treatment too? ;)
FredChopin - | 61    
4 Oct 2009  #25

Maybe we should try some FEMA mass graves treatment too? ;)

I understand Russia knows something about population control and housing for the deceased. Let them deal with it.
Sokrates 8 | 3,352    
4 Oct 2009  #26

So what do you propose, Fred, mass murder? ;)

Its only mass murder if you kill them all at once.

Anyway we should save ourselves the social and financial costs of sorting out undesirebles from the hard workers and not let in ME ethnicities at all, Blacks have a thing for Islam so they should be largely out as well.
Seanus 15 | 19,750    
4 Oct 2009  #27

No comment on that. I just hope that Poland isn't swamped with immigrants. A little diversity is healthy and I embrace multiculturalism but not out of control. Que sera sera...
Sokrates 8 | 3,352    
4 Oct 2009  #28

little diversity is healthy and I embrace multiculturalism but not out of control. Que sera sera...

Can you name one European country where a little diversity didnt get out of control:)
Seanus 15 | 19,750    
4 Oct 2009  #29

Um, Poland :)
Sokrates 8 | 3,352    
4 Oct 2009  #30

Sean we got like 0.5% ethnic minorities and about 2-3% national minorities.



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