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Poland marching for life and family


Polonius3 983 | 12,333
26 May 2013 #1
Pro-life and family marches are taking place on Mothers' Day in over 100 Polish cities. In Warsaw according to Superstajca, 15,000 married couples with their children marched across the capital in support of traditonal, non-dysfucntioonal families. It was refreshing to see smiling, wholesome-looking people of all ages, no tatoo thugs, piercing tarts, punks, potheads or other creeps, loonies and weirdos who tend to dominate all the leftist-libertine demos.

In 2011 such pro-family marches were held in only half a dozen Polish cities, last year their number had risen to 50 and this year it's double that.

polskieradio.pl/5/3/Artykul/853296,Marsz-dla-Zycia-Rodziny-maszeruja-po-wsparcie
delphiandomine 87 | 18,070
26 May 2013 #2
15,000 married couples with their children marched across the capital in support of traditonal, non-dysfucntioonal families.

Shouldn't they do something more productive with their children than thrusting their beliefs on them?

It was refreshing to see smiling, wholesome-looking people of all ages, no tatoo thugs, piercing tarts, punks

How do you know this, Polonius? You seem to be far more informed about these gatherings than most of us. Anyway, tattooed thugs are a feature of nationalist marches.

As for smiling, wholesome-looking people - how does that compare to your posts on PolishForums that are full of hatred towards anyone that you don't approve of? In particular, how do you think these families would feel about your statement that their daughters deserve to be raped if they dress in a certain way?

In 2011 such pro-family marches were held in only half a dozen Polish cities, last year their number had risen to 50 and this year it's double that.

See, Polonius, it's an admirable attempt, but you've completely distorted the truth.

A loose translation

Several thousand people took part in the parade in Warsaw. It is to support those who decide to have children, and during the march signatures were collected for a draft law on social and educational vouchers. Jacek Sapa of the Advocacy Centre for Life and Family says it is only the first of such proposals, which are intended to benefit the family environment. One such proposal is to provide a benefit for each family in the amount of 1,600 zloty for the first two years of raising a child.

Of course Polonius, you would never dream of confusing the two issues, would you?

As for the part of these marches that were against abortion, it's nothing new. The opposition has realised that the Smolensk marches are now dwindling to nothing - the last one in Poznan had really barely anyone there, and it's obvious that the whole Smolensk campaign is dying. So - what else than to dig up the boring old argument about abortion yet again.

Anyway Polonius, no matter how hard you try, the fact remains that Polish society is not made up of closed minded weirdos who write rubbish for Polonia newspapers. Polish society is incredibly diverse, with a wide range of opinions. Sadly, it also includes those that feel that women deserve to be raped for their choice in clothing.
jon357 74 | 22,796
26 May 2013 #3
Nobody pays much attention to this sort of stuff. Those marches always leave you with the feeling that half the participants are embarrassed to be there and the other half are swivel-eyed loonies.
goofy_the_dog
26 May 2013 #4
Delphi, forgive me asking is your second name Szechter by any chance :)?
Most of what you say comes right out of the mouth of your great leader, the chief of GW :).
Hey how many people were on those "Ozel mosze" written by Bul march with the choclate mrowkojad (ant-eater) thingie ?
You seem to oppose the children being ideologised by their parents... okay, then you probably also oppose homos adopting children then...
In your views, although they dont really interest me at all, who do you think should raise our children? I gather that Catholics do not go into view ? :)

Jon, you got that right out of my mouth.... oh wait, I was thinking that you are talking about slutwalk, or homoparades :), oops sorry !my mistake!
delphiandomine 87 | 18,070
26 May 2013 #5
Most of what you say comes right out of the mouth of your great leader, the chief of GW :).

You know better than me, I don't particularly like Gazeta Wyborcza.

You seem to oppose the children being ideologised by their parents... okay, then you probably also oppose homos adopting children then...

Tell me, do you think it's better for children to rot in horrible orphanages, or for them to be brought up by people who will look after them properly?

Those marches always leave you with the feeling that half the participants are embarrassed to be there and the other half are swivel-eyed loonies.

It does change things when you realise that most of them in Warsaw were there to try and get more money from the State than for any other reason.

In your views, although they dont really interest me at all, who do you think should raise our children? I gather that Catholics do not go into view ? :)

Who? I think that parents have an obligation to provide their children with all the information they need and to let them make their own choices.

Don't worry - we're used to your mistakes. When you're a grown-up, you'll hopefully have grown out of them.

Of course he will, he'll probably be embarrassed of the stuff he's posting here now.
Englishman 2 | 276
26 May 2013 #6
Marching to celebrate happy, nuclear families is a good thing, provided it doesn't imply condemnation of other family, household or relationship types.
kondzior 11 | 1,045
27 May 2013 #7
Shouldn't they do something more productive with their children than thrusting their beliefs on them?

Only Delphy would have parents and parenting demonized. Yes, we should just allow the state to raise our children, putting them through indoctrination programs. People raised in institutions end up being well adjusted individuals.
delphiandomine 87 | 18,070
27 May 2013 #8
Good parenting means not wasting valuable time marching because you want some extra cash from the State.

Incidentally, marching for money teaches children - what - exactly?
kondzior 11 | 1,045
27 May 2013 #9
Talk about straw man....
jon357 74 | 22,796
27 May 2013 #10
Marching to celebrate happy, nuclear families is a good thing, provided it doesn't imply condemnation of other family, household or relationship types.

Very much so. This march however is not done for any positive reason.
goofy_the_dog
27 May 2013 #11
Its ur opinion, i believe that this march is something very good... This march is not about money or benefis it is about protecting the family. We have aparently the freedom of expressis, we allow sluts to march promotion that being a slut is normal... Why cant we have family marchew then?!

Cher to the right thinkers
delphiandomine 87 | 18,070
27 May 2013 #12
Goofy, did you read the link?

It was obvious that the Warsaw one was about money, not rights.
pam
27 May 2013 #13
This march is not about money or benefis it is about protecting the family.

Apparently it is partly about money Goofy. Read post #2.
goofy_the_dog
27 May 2013 #14
The vouchers were only a part of the march, it was an answer to a very stupid idea of vouchers on food and other accesories for homos. Apart from that i dont read regime controlled news sources which will portray everything in the most demonizing way possible.

...Im off to make karpatka :-)
delphiandomine 87 | 18,070
27 May 2013 #15
Regime?

Goofy, do you know what a regime is?

By the way, what are accessories for homos?
goofy_the_dog
27 May 2013 #16
Yes i know that a regime is. Do you?
I will take a liberty of not answering the first question :-)
U cant ready about it on fronda, niezależna itd itp...
delphiandomine 87 | 18,070
27 May 2013 #17
Yes i know that a regime is. Do you?

So could you explain why the current government is a regime? Bear in mind that just because the opposition lost doesn't make it a regime.

U cant ready about it on fronda, niezależna itd itp...

You can, but it's all pro-Opposition nonsense designed to mislead and fool people.

Niezalezna is anything but.
kondzior 11 | 1,045
12 Jun 2016 #18
Merged: Bielsko-Biala March for Life and Family in Poland

11 June through the street of Bielsko-Biała had walked The Third March for Life and Family : "Every Life is Priceless!"
facebook.com/bielskimarsz/

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bielsko.gosc.pl/gal/spis/3226904.III-Marsz-dla-Zycia-i-Rodziny-w-BielskuBialej-2016

Much more people then on KOD's round ups. And not so geriatric as well...
Dougpol1 30 | 2,567
12 Jun 2016 #19
The woman's body is her own private affair, and always will be, unless she is sadly weak enough to be indoctrinated in this modern age , that is.
jon357 74 | 22,796
12 Jun 2016 #20
Much more people

A fraction of the number of people on the Parada Rownosci today and also a fraction of the number of women who protested against the proposed restrictions on what a woman can do with her own body.
Dougpol1 30 | 2,567
12 Jun 2016 #21
These people are not representative of Poland today, and are spreading PIS propaganda. Christopher Hitchens has famously rubbished birth control in Channel 4's "Mother Teresa: Hell's Angel" and in essay.

youtube.com/watch?v=65JxnUW7Wk4

The state again is allied to the catholic doctrine of subjugation to religion. and the more PIS push this doctrine, the bigger their defeat will be in 3 and a half years time.
Ironside 51 | 12,515
12 Jun 2016 #22
kondzior - Much more people then on KOD's round ups. And not so geriatric as well...

Indeed. That fact says more than all those people who claim that KOD enjoy substantial support in Poland. Nah!

Dougpol1 - The woman's body is her own private affair

You and your dog too. So shoo!

jon357 - proposed restrictions on what a woman can do with her own body.

What kind of argument is that? Are you a bad person jon?
jon357 74 | 22,796
13 Jun 2016 #23
This march is not about money or benefis it is about protecting the family

It was specifically a religious anti-abortion thing in a town out in the sticks and not many people attended.

the more PIS push this doctrine, the bigger their defeat will be in 3 and a half years time.

It will be a spectacular defeat.
Ironside 51 | 12,515
13 Jun 2016 #24
It was specifically a religious anti-abortion thing

You're saying it as if was a bad thing. After all it doesn't matter whether or not that was a religious demonstration All that matters is a fact that they're standing up for the right thing. After all defending the right to life is ultimately a good thing to do. You're not an evil person jon so you should support it.
jon357 74 | 22,796
13 Jun 2016 #25
they're standing up for the right thing.

The 'right thing' in your opinion. Others might say that they are promoting something destructive.
Ironside 51 | 12,515
13 Jun 2016 #26
The 'right thing' in your opinion

It is opinion of decent and intelligent people. Its very simple either you're for life or against it.
jon357 74 | 22,796
13 Jun 2016 #27
It is opinion of decent and intelligent people.

What about those decent and (very) intelligent women who hold another point of view?

Its very simple either you're for life or against it.

And that of course depends on whether you accept the opinions of the vast majority of scientists or of some clergy on medical matters.
Kezcaisim 1 | 37
13 Jun 2016 #28
Abortion is murder.

The woman has rights to her own body. The body of the baby isn't her own body.

Pregnancy is seldom ever that dangerous for the mother.

People who aren't mature enough to raise children shouldn'T explore their sexuality.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,861
13 Jun 2016 #29
It is opinion of decent and intelligent people.

sometimes decent and intelligent women have to make a very hard choice, as it invariably them who end up holding the baby.
it is too easy for men to be anti-abortion.
Not that I am saying abortion is a 'good' thing, far from it.
jon357 74 | 22,796
13 Jun 2016 #30
baby

A cluster of cells with no brain or neural network. Not any sort of baby.


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