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Poland has low murder rate


Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
3 Dec 2010 #1
Poland's murder rate one of lowest in EU

With 1.29 murders per 100,000 people Poland has one of the lowest homicide rate in the European Union, according to the Eurostat statistical office.

Lithuania is the murder centre of the EU, with nine homicides yearly for every 100,000 inhabitants, followed by Estonia and Luxembourg, Belgium, Bulgaria, the Czech Republic and Finland.

Austria has the lowest homicide rate at 0.67.

Lithuanian and Estonian commentators say that most homicides are perpetrated at home and usually are the result of alcohol abuse, while generally the streets of cities are very safe. (ek)

thenews.pl/international/?id=144681
convex 20 | 3,978
3 Dec 2010 #2
Interesting to note, Poland excludes "assault leading to death" in homicide statistics, along with Estonia, and Greece. Spain includes traffic deaths, Latvia includes attempted homicides, Holland includes euthanasia, Portugal includes and cases they can't otherwise solve in the total.

Begs the question, is it even worth comparing these numbers which represent different things?

epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/cache/ITY_SDDS/Annexes/crim_esms_an1.pdf

That said, Poland is still candyland as far as violent crime is concerned.
Stu 12 | 522
3 Dec 2010 #3
Holland includes euthanasia

Sorry, convex, it says "Excludes euthanasia and assault leading to death." (on page 4)
hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,377
3 Dec 2010 #4
Interesting to note, Poland excludes "assault leading to death" in homicide statistics

Yes the method of measuring crime is very important, as well as reporting etc.

Interesting stats though
convex 20 | 3,978
3 Dec 2010 #5
Sorry, convex, it says "Excludes euthanasia and assault leading to death." (on page 4)

Oops, you're right. Early post.
Teffle 22 | 1,321
3 Dec 2010 #6
I had known about Lithuania. Luxembourg surprised me I have to say.
convex 20 | 3,978
3 Dec 2010 #7
500,000 with 37% being immigrants, plus about that amount commute to work in Luxembourg. One year of 4 murders and another of 1 can have a huge impact.
Teffle 22 | 1,321
3 Dec 2010 #8
Yeah. Had forgotten just how low the population was.

Although Belgium is another which surprised me a bit.
SzwedwPolsce 11 | 1,595
3 Dec 2010 #9
A few years ago Norway had the lowest murder rate in the world. Probably they still have. However, they are not a member of the EU.

However, it's also (one of) the richest country(-ies) in the world per capita. And there are usually a link between those two factors.
Olaf 6 | 956
3 Dec 2010 #10
Poland’s murder rate one of lowest in EU

Shouldn't something be done? Lowest in the EU!
;)
Maybe 12 | 409
3 Dec 2010 #11
nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita

murder stats

poland at number 20
andrewwright 8 | 65
3 Dec 2010 #12
The only reason Poland has a low murder rate is because the pols murder the pols in the uk,
Seanus 15 | 19,706
3 Dec 2010 #13
Good old statistical distortion tactics :)
dtaylor5632 18 | 2,007
3 Dec 2010 #14
Yup, RevokeNice was the master of that art form :D

Studies also found that while bees help frail, old bees across the road, it confirmed suspicions that wasps are a bunch of arrogant, two-faced bastards that wouldn't **** in your face if your teeth were on fire.
trener zolwia 1 | 940
3 Dec 2010 #15
murder stats

# 24 United States

What?? We're way down at number 24??! I thought we were killing many more than that! :(
I guess all our guns aren't such a problem after all...

Funny story... Several years ago Philly was in the grips of a murder spree. The homies in that predominantly black city were gunning one another down at an alarmingly high rate, topping all other US cities and making it more dangerous than even Baghdad at the time. Anyway, there was much weeping and hand wringing about this... until it was disclosed that a full 75% of the murder victims themselves had violent criminal records! Suddenly the weeping and hand wringing stopped. I guess most folks were like me: 75% perfectly fine with the murder rate and hoping the homies might better increase their aim. Lol. ;)
peterweg 37 | 2,321
3 Dec 2010 #16
poland at number 20

Something wrong with that figure- apparently from the year 2000 . Why is it five time higher than later years.
Pinching Pete - | 558
3 Dec 2010 #17
What?? We're way down at number 24??!

It's not that big of a surprise.. Only goofy Europeans always think it's non-stop shoot outs here because they believe everything Hollywood puts out. : /

Now Mexico, Central, South America, Haiti.. sure that's a shooting gallery basically.
trener zolwia 1 | 940
3 Dec 2010 #18
Europeans always think it's non-stop shoot outs here because they believe everything Hollywood puts out.

One has to consider demographics too. We have a great number of blacks here, many more than any European country. And blacks comprise the overwhelming majority of our violent and criminal element. They skew every statistic from shootings to crime and poverty. Subtract them from the mix and the US would be one of the very safest places on earth. And the most prosperous, coz all them blacks and the problems they bring come with great cost...

Not PC to say but absolutely true.

Plus look at Maybe's stat site again. Ten of the top 20 countries are of majority black or Hispanic populations. Them folks are just more violent, less civilized, that's all there is to it.
Pinching Pete - | 558
4 Dec 2010 #19
Them folks are just more violent, less civilized, that's all there is to it.

Yep.

Not PC to say but absolutely true.

You're damn right it's absolutely true.. Someday, hopefully before I die we'll come to terms with it finally.
Teffle 22 | 1,321
4 Dec 2010 #20
Ten of the top 20 countries are of majority black or Hispanic populations.

And are poor.

You don't think that has a lot to do with it?

Haven't even looked at the list but I'm willing to bet that most of the top ranking "white" nations are relatively poor too.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
4 Dec 2010 #21
Or the two world wars and Europeans invading countries wiping out civilizations.
But yeah those there brown people, they is evil, we should kill'em, you know to protect ourselves, they don't know how to enjoy the natural resources their country provides, we deserve it!

When it comes to which continent's inhabitance ****** over humans the most as regards to just murder in the last 500 years, Europe must be Number one.

But those there folks are just violent, less civilized.

And you wonder where the dumb ass stereotype comes from Pinchy Pete, well you're it.

Too PC for you halfwit buffoons?

And now for something I was looking at with this thread before all that: List of countries by intentional homicide rate
trener zolwia 1 | 940
4 Dec 2010 #22
Too PC for you

Pretty PC.

Specious relativism. War violence is hardly comparable to senseless street violence. Organized war waging is actually quite civilized.

And are poor.

It may be a factor but I don't buy into that old 'poverty equals crime' canard. It's an excuse. There are plenty of poor people who do not resort to crime and violence. And what has the gang of homies mugging the white kid for his basketball jersey, sneakers and cell phone have to do with poverty? Nothing. It's not like they're out robbing to put food on the table or to pay the rent.

Chicken or Egg?: I say crime feeds poverty more than the other way around.

And you conveniently left out what he thinks.

Doesn't matter what he thinks.

How many wars have you seen?

A few.

Tell me more about these civilized wars?

If you're of the crowd who thinks all war is uncivilized then there's no point even getting into that discussion. Besides, this is the Murder Rate thread. Killing in wartime is hardly considered murder by most reasonable folks.
Pinching Pete - | 558
4 Dec 2010 #23
Like he was arguing my point for me...

Right.. that's Good Ole' Captain Rainbow.. living in some nice little Polish village, nice little Polish wife.. doesn't have to worry about her being raped at night, his place being broken into after purchasing a new TV, etc. Nothing worse than a hypocrite..nothing.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
4 Dec 2010 #24
How many wars have you seen?

A few.

I am intrigued, which?
So you are not just some guy who has no connection to Poland, never been here, has no family from here and just posts rubbish?
Seanus 15 | 19,706
4 Dec 2010 #25
Poland also has a small mafia compared to other major players. That could play a small part too. Many Poles are too apathetic to even bother about thinking of murdering. For all their arguing, they are placid souls that can let things slide within reason.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
4 Dec 2010 #26
That's a good solid fence you're on there Seanus :)
trener zolwia 1 | 940
4 Dec 2010 #27
Me: Like he was arguing my point for me...Right

That's called being hoisted by one's own petard.

Good Ole' Captain Rainbow.. living in some nice little Polish village, nice little Polish wife..

We see this a lot from the Europe folks. Having never had to deal with blacks and all the problems they bring, they have bought into the Lib Media narrative that blacks are all just poor victims of mean ol' whitey.
Mr Grunwald 28 | 1,851
4 Dec 2010 #28
A few years ago Norway had the lowest murder rate in the world. Probably they still have. However, they are not a member of the EU.

Don't believe all statistics coming from Norway! THey like to twist it just like the commies in PRL. For example an guy getting money from the state is not "un-employed" bullocks!
trener zolwia 1 | 940
4 Dec 2010 #29
Many Poles are too apathetic to even bother about thinking of murdering

You offer good reasons, S. I agree that much of the difference could indeed be cultural. I also feel there are ethnic factors.

I am intrigued, which?

All of em.

So you are not just some guy who has no connection to Poland, never been here, has no family from here and just posts rubbish?

Lame. Distraction. Not about me.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
4 Dec 2010 #30
All of em.

So you have seen all wars, yeah right.

How old are you?


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