Poland's Lost Generation

Now the hungarian riots happened because the Prime Minister was caught on tape admitting he lied about the economy morning, afternoon and night. But even if this happend in poland, i think people would just shrug and not be very suprised.

No.

The current economic-political situation is just fine. People have money in their pockets, the political situation is stable (after all, the people just elected one of the vice-Presidents of PO to the Presidency by more than 1 million votes over his opponent) and generally, there's an air of optimism in the air.

You must live in dreamland. Inflation is at 4.5 percent, wages are stagnant, Pensions are not enough to cover expenses. The country is in free fall.

Dupadomine is a virulent Polonophobic racist (and fanatic zionist) from Britain. No wonder he praises what's going on in Poland.
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they could support the Zeitgeist movement, Poland would be a suitable country to bring in a new social order.

poles need to get through their materialist capitalist phase first, give em 50 years

screw that it clearly isnt working, look at the divide between the rich and the poor already. It will only get worse.

Do they need to do that, really? So are there any others, not Poles, who have gotten through that "materialist capitalist phase"? Who are they? And why it's got to be exactly 50 years for the Poles to "get through" that "phase"?


I think you're hopelessly stupid and you haven't got anything livelier to say, except when you whine about your britishness being allegedly hurt on this forum, in Poland (where you're still livin), etc.

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i think you are the biggest Polish hypocrite ive ever heard, always talking about Poland and how Poles should support and not leave, just on and on like a broken record.... But wait youre only here in Poland today because its Easter and a as usual drunk. You spend about two weeks in Poland a year. Working in England again are you?

practice what you preach mate, or should i say Puzzler?

Antheads has a point. You can go the GUS website and observe progressive/slight increases in salaries but inflation here is highly noticeable and credit companies are sucking people in, playing on their material/competitive instincts to have what their neighbours do. Don't make the mistake of assuming that having more cars is due to them being much richer.

Under PO, the rich/poor divide will only get worse, that's true.

they are more in debt, which is never good... don't over do it...

They certainly are! Debt is what the banks want and what the punters are prepared to sink into.

PO.PIS,SLD it does not matter which party is in power they are all pro business. Under capitalism the rich/poor divide will always increase. Even if PL switched to a socialistic path, like Denmark, Sweden, Norway or the Netherlands the wealth base has already been created/established, you can only tax future income.

But PO are exacerbating it and that's the point. They are more than happy to widen the gap. Still, I wouldn't vote for a party that relies on the mohair beret brigade and their ultra-Catholic BS like PiS.

Which ever party/parties gets in, they will have to push through austerity measures, no party will include it now, in their campaign, it would be kiss of death.

True! Let the people budget what they have better, that's what I say. As a Scot, I see the merit in thriftiness. The crisis was the last imposed austerity measure. People, not knowing the machinations of it, just decided to save more.

Budget Commissioner Janusz Lewandowski said he expected tough negotiations over his plan to raise spending to 132.7 billion euros.

"Some ask why we would increase the EU budget when member states face severe austerity measures at home; this is a legitimate question," Poland's Lewandowski acknowledged.

"The main reason for the increase is that we must pay the bills coming from projects from across Europe," he said, referring to EU infrastructure grants for poor regions, and funds for research and innovation projects.

uk.news.yahoo/22/20110419/tbs-uk-eu-budget-03c9bed.html

Oh, I think a large part of the answer lies in the path taken by Belka, as opposed to his predecessor Sławomir Skrzypek (RIP). The IMF and WB can easily muscle in and dictate the course. This is a much overlooked dimension. Skrzypek kept the hawks at bay but that has all changed.

Is the above in response to post 143.

My answer to 143 would be that burden sharing is going to be more of an issue as more and more 'lesser' states join the EU. Germany cannot forever bear the costs. Talk of budgets is all black magic and voodoo economics IMHO.

Belka, was the head of the IMF - Europe, before he took the job, as the go to man, at NBP. He knows the IMF inside out.

Therein lies the problem!

Budget Commissioner Janusz Lewandowski, is going to push for the 132.7 billion euros, part of this money is going to find its way to PL for restructuring. It also helps that Hungary has the EU presidency and Poland will have the next term.

"The main reason for the increase is that we must pay the bills coming from projects from across Europe," he said, referring to EU infrastructure grants for poor regions, and funds for research and innovation projects.

I'll believe it when I see it, warsz.

wages are not stagnant - on average they are up by 4% this year and 6-7% in bigger towns.

I think more of an issue is that inequality is growing - i.e. some skilled people are getting very good wages and unskilled workers are indeed seeing stagnation.

4 per cent is not much more than the official inflation figures - and those official figures don't tell the whole truth believe me - my brother's appartment rent went 20 per cent higher in the last year - and it is over half of his monthly expenses (save for the ciggarettes - you should know that the cigarettes also became more than 10 per cent more expensive in the last year) - should I mention food prices? like that sugar speculation thing

so how much is a pack of Marlboro? a dozen eggs? a loaf of bread? etc

a pack of Marlboro is not much more than 10 złoty - which is about 3 loaves of bread - there is a paradoxical situation that crap cigarettes cost just about 2 złoty less

have a look this site

tesco.pl/produkty/

With respect they are more reliable than anecdotal evidence from your brother. Lots of food prices actually fell last year as did many imported goods as the zloty got stronger. As for cigarettes well there is an obvious answer to that problem and one I took painfully several years ago - stop paying to kill yourself.

There is no reason why wage increases should outstrip inflation - the rationale for wage increases should be increased productivity.