"It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland)

Lyzko, I think it still sound better than:

"We're sorry for destroying your country and killing 6 millions of your citizens but we won't compensate you for that. Better luck next time.

Also, it is best if you don't ever speak of this since it is destroying our peoples morale and undermines this new form of 'friendship' that we've established between our countries. And if you follow our instructions we would let you to be our new low paid suppliers of components for our automotive industry. I think that sounds fair. Danke shoen"

Thanks. Quite quaint.

Like I said, either you bit** or make up. Can't have it both ways. Or at least don't take their money in drips and dribbles and sue for the whole amount. After the verdict, STFU.

Poland received compensation, in territory and money from Germany.

Now it is more like "We are sorry that our great-grandparents did this to you, but obviously we are not going to pay you additional money for what they did. Which is the only logical thing to do. Even if Germany were to pay, the next Polish generation would just demand more money.

My point exactly.
It seems that this will never end and that it became a forever subject. Like slavery in the US.
If I were German, I would, at least in the forums like this one, take a hard line, and, instead of apologizing and persuading, I would just tell the never-forget guys to give me a complete list of what they want or stfu.

Strangely, nobody to my knowledge is demanding compensation from the US, the UK and Russia for Yalta and Katyn. Not the same thing, but not that far, either.

That is actually the main reason behind the no-talks....these things are over and done with or else the EU couldn't had been build. If one country starts to re-think the old treaties again it would open flood gates. Everybody could now demand reparations for every grievance ever happened...that hasn't has to stop at WWII....there are raw wounds till barely scabbed over all over Europe, and some wounds are still quite open.

One of the prime demands by the EU for new members is the closure of conflicts first. As the EU doesn't want to "inherent" the old, ongoing grievances of it's new members, especially when all of the involved party's want to become members...that's no-no for very good reasons, such fights between members could destroy the EU.

To restart an old conflict, demand border changes or reparations won't happen after membership!

That's primarily the reason that there won't be any additional money exchange just because the political mood in one member country changes. Poland would have to leave the EU to keep it's demand alive! The same with Greece btw...

PS: A good current example is the name conflict between Greece and Macedonia (or what it will be called). A conflict stemming from centuries of history...but without its resolve Macedonia won't become a member either of EU nor NATO.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonia_naming_dispute#NATO_and_EU_accession_talks

Europe according to reality

The thing is they do this not because of the past but of today.

It isn't a coincidence that these demands only ever pop off again when there is a conflict with Germany. You could see that during the Euro crisis...suddenly you could see Greeks screaming for reparations, something nobody in Greece cared about in the decades before, especially not after becoming members of the Eurozone, as they heartily profited from being members of the same group as Germany...

Before PiS came to rule there was no more talk about reparations either...it was done. But then politicians came to power more interested in re-fighting the old wars than to build common future. Abit like Spike here..

These demands have nothing to do with real grievances and real sorrow and real apologies...they have become a tool for every politician who wants to use a baton to beat Germany with for domestic political reasons only.

That's all there is...Berlin is right in totally ignoring these demands. They don't even answer them...no "stfu" necessary!

Ask any woman and she will easily explain the difference between being raped and being paid. The former will get you 20, the latter - a small fine.

No reason not to try. If merkel feels that they must take in over a million third world migrants because of 'our history' (her words) and spent 25 bil euro a year coddling them, theres no reason why poland shouldnt also try to get money, especially since unlike the migrants they have a legit claim. And no germany never paid any reparations to poland. They just finished off paying ww1 not too long ago. Now they should start paying off ww2 to everyone. And land? Polands territory decreased from the interwar period to after ww2. The whole kresy region was lost granted thats more to do with russia.

Poland get's already alot of money! Billions! With more Billions to come. Nobody in the EU get's more money out of the EU than Poland as the biggest net receiver (and alot of that is coming from german purses btw. as Germany is one of the biggest net payer...an ongoing reparation if you so want)

Do you really begrude the refugees their few crumbs? Crumbs only the german taxpayer pay for with no Pole suffering?

If there is one with real right to be miffed it's the german taxpayer who didn't asked for that additional burden...but Poland?

@Dirk diggler

Germany paid reparations to Poland after German reunification after a special agreement was made. The other countries waved their claim to reparations with the 2+4 treaty.

And if anything, the refugees should grant Germany the right to ask Poland for financial compensation. Because Germany pays for them, Poland does not have to.

Okay....question here...imagine you are the leader of Poland...at one point you grate so much on Berlin's nerve with your demands that the german gov gives you a choice:

1) A one time payment as reparations of a considerable height (not unreasonable though) and that was it. No more money from Germany...nothing...nada...no more help and financial support funds paid with german money whatsoever, never again! With all consequences, even if that should lead to a Polexit sooner or later..

The official end of the german cash cow!

or

2) We leave everything as it is...

What would you choose?

And no....you can't have both!

Obviously one, then apply more pressure in the future for political and possible financial gain. Nothing that hasnt been done before.

Won't work Dirk....you only get these two options! So, what do you choose?

Nothing is ever black and white. My answer has been demonstrated numerous times throughout history so to say it wont work isnt historically accurate. Greece received money and now their asking for it again, whether theyll get it is yet to be seen but either way tge pm increases his political clout.

Idk why poland doesnt get more countries involved in demanding reparations. Now they got greece which is a good first step. But if they got romania, slovakia, czechy and any other country thats been damaged by nazi germany to join them in demanding reparations it strengthens their case. Its no different than an extortion. If you show up with 1 or 2 dudes theyll probably tell you to **** off. Show up with 10 or 20 and an envelope suddenly appears. That's what poland needs to do w other countries.

No, in this case you are wrong! There is a limit for Germans regarding compensations for the past most only learned about in school. No german gov could sell such extortion money to it's electorate. It would be domestic suicide.

That is one clear example of an awesome, astounishing shortsightedness on the side of these polish and greek politicians. Instead of being able to melk this cash cow further for an probably unlimited time you decided to kill her for good.

There is a reason neither Poland nor Greece found much support across Europe with their claims and never will. Elsewhere people are just smarter...


Not to mention that elsewhere in Europe the default lines regarding WWII aren't as clear cut as in Poland and Greece. Many of these countries had been quite complicit with the Third Reich in one way or the other...

For example Hungary won't be a comrade to fall back on in this regard...and in Stalingrad more Romanians died than Germans...and so on...

....and then there is this other question...Why not ask Russia for reparations too?

Really? Is that why more and more cpuntries and people are going the way poland and hungary already were in 2015 opposing the eu plan for cultural enrichment and self suicide of white europeans? Czechy slovakia austria italy denmark latvia are all following polands example. And with the ep elections i guaruntee you'll see eurocrats lose seats and anti migrant nationalists and populists experience gains.


Indeed. That didnt stop merkel from inviting in millions of migrants which the citieznry has to foot over 25 bil euro a year to care for as 75% are unemployed and will be for 5+ years and with asylum claimaints that number increases to 99%, according to german government.

But yes i will agree the timing atm isnt the best. And the pl government realizes that. Thats why they were pushing for it far more before right wingers gained power in germany. While the liberals had more strength and were throwing money out the window, supporting everyone but the german people was when poland was applying the most pressure regarding reparations.


Oh well still milk it dont you worry. Germans paid billions to bail out Greece and what did the greeks do? Tell germans to shove it and ask for more bailout money - which they got lol. Twice germany has bailed greece out and it continues to give them a ton of money. And germany is still going to keep giving money out - to third world migrants, to eastern european countries, to bail out the next greece, etc. They are europes sugar daddy. Its a shame that they support everyoje but their own citizens. I think thats retarded, but theres no reason why poland greece etc shouldn't take advantage of that. Yet were the stupid ones? Were not the ones sending tens of billions to support other countries and third worlders who refuse to work since you give them 1300 eu a month in housing, cash, food, medical, etc - you give them zero incentive to work as you give them more money than theyd ever make back in their sandboxes

Bc russia isnt as foolish as germany. They dont give out billions to support people who arent even citizens and refuse to work nor do they give out billions because another country is in debt without getting something out of it.

Erm...why do you keep up mixing these things?

Because Merkel didn't let starve refugees on the Autobahn you say it's now justified to get more money out of Germany? What is that? A kind of punishment??? The just punishment of a righteously angered Poland???

Are you kidding me???

That was entirely her decision and if Germans support it, then they can pay for it. Poland was not asked and the Polish population feels no need to support her decision financially.

It all has to do with money - namely handouts that Germany is so keen on giving everyone - Greece, third world migrants, Poland, EU, etc. Basically everyone but her own citizens. If an EU member needs cash, a bailout or migrants who don't feel like working and leech off benefits who do they ask first? Germany... and Merkel will dig deep and use some phrases like 'solidarity' 'our history' etc. to justify giving out billions. No reason why Poland shouldn't take advantage of that. The migrants who aren't even EU citizens certainly did and now they get to lounge around popping out kids while Merkel forces the tax payers to support them. Same thing with Greece. TWICE Germany bailed them out. You think the German citizens are happy about that? Probably not. But the Greeks and their politicians were certainly happy they found someone to give them billions and bail them out, not once but twice... and what did they do afterwards? Tell Germany to shove it - we don't care about your demands to reform our country... they'll talk about sovereignty and Germany/EU sticking its nose in Greek affairs all while receiving EU funds - much of which is paid by Germany.


No, rather it's an opportunity for Poland to get money for something Germany did to the country. Unlike the migrants coming in, Germany never harmed them. Yet if Merkel herself says that they must take in migrants because of 'our history' than maybe they should first look at the people and countries that were directly damaged by germany's history.

Germans weren't asked either.....so what?

And that is a reason for more reparations for WWII? Help me along...maybe I'm to stupid to see the connection...


Erm....

I give up...I can't follow that "logic"!

But one thing is for sure.....if this kind of thinking takes hold in the polish government then the EU will become to small for both of us...that too would mean the end of the german cash cow for Poland! Better you ask the Poles this question before too....if they would risk everything for trying to punish the Germans for their generosity to refugees.

I wonder what the majority would say...

Hmm ... you are wrong and right at the same time BB. You're right that PiS is using reparation as a pollical tool. (who wouldn't?) Yet you're wrong claiming that Poland already got those reparations or more precise Poland haven't been compensated adequately. . The subject had been already debated back and forth on the very forum. Do you really want to start to talk about it all over again?


Really? They paid slave labourers forced to work for the III Reich who were still alive at the time for about 100 euro each. That is discussing and post-commies that had been in charge of Poland at the time must have been bribed to accept such a deal.


Some of you Jews have no shame.

Here is Merkel talking about 'unity' 'community' etc to justify bailing out Greece.

bing.com/videos/search?q=germany+bails+out+greece+twice&view=detail&mid=A69E3639E9136D4D8C7CA69E3639E9136D4D8C7C&FORM=VIRE

The German politicians specifically Merkel cannot simply comprehend that not getting involved is an option. As such, other countries and migrants take advantage of that. It's that simple BB... difference is that Poland actually has a legit claim to WW2 reparations. When they see migrants getting 25 bil a year, Greece being bailed out twice, the billions Germany gives away to other countries naturally Poland wants a piece of the pie to right a historic wrong. And when they see Merkel throwing money around to every migrant and every country who asks for it naturally Poles see it as a good time to ask for reparations.

Politicians with a brain, a sense for history and honor?


I didn't start it. Somehow it always seems to pop up when Germans and Poles discuss on a forum...I have no idea why! :)

I'm all for letting it go though...

Is that what they're calling providing for everyone but your own tax paying citizenry these days?

Dumb politicians aren't a privilege of the Poles! :)

tsk BB, what are you even talking about?


hmm maybe because Germans try to lecture Poles on number of subjects, they also pay all and sundry but Poland. Not that long ago they paid up to Italy for some mischief they had done there during the war. Yet when it comes to Poland Germany is so firm that it begets a question - are you asking for trashing or are u that ignorant? Has it really came to it. Where are German politicians with a sense for history and honor?

What? Was it me showing off to many polls and surveys to prove how beloved and respected and trusted we are the world over??? :)

Heh:)

Face it....thi s sh*i*t* fest startet with some poster pointing to a dirty toilet trying to prove how Germany is hated and despised everywhere...