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"It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland)


Dirk diggler 7 | 3,662    
19 Sep 2018  #661
youtu.be/F-LhfKKgncg
Germany's cultural enrichment

Very sad what german society has become...
Ironside 47 | 9,109    
19 Sep 2018  #662
Germany's cultural enrichment

Are you high? How many times will you post the same? geeez!!!
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,662    
19 Sep 2018  #663
Are you high?

In IQ and testosterone count, yes, much higher than you.

How many times will you post the same? geeez!!!

That is the title of the video genius.

But to answer your question, it is totally relevant to this thread which is titled its too late for germany
Crow 143 | 7,293    
19 Sep 2018  #664
Very sad what german society has become...

Why sad? You are surprised?

Poor savages finally succumbed to their real inner backwardness. They never had time to achieve perfection as rest of Sarmatian (ie Slavic) world. Even Picts achieved more (little more but still more). Germans, as they got name by Roman province of Germania, were in past Sweboz, Swabi (Srbi) or to say Srboz (Serbs/ie Sarmats) that were subjugated by Rome as wildest and most backward Sarmatian region. They literally walked naked. Utterly rural. Same as Latin American or African tribal natives even today. Then, Rome came and cut their natural evolution. Rome imposed its own complexes on them, ruined their psyche and separated them from rest of Sarmatians. Swebozi were worse Roman experiment. Only thing that they learned from Romans is that necessity to merge with Africa and now they got it finally. Good example to rest of us what can become of man if just turn its back to ancestors and Sarmatia eterna.

Swabi are real warning. We should learn something from example of poor naked creatures.
Ironside 47 | 9,109    
19 Sep 2018  #665
In IQ and testosterone count, yes, much higher than you.

in your dreams butter cake ...

That is the title of the video genius.

Doesn't matter, you posted it before countless times regardless of the thread topic. You're all over tis forums with the same bloody repetitive stuff, its anin't funny, its not interesting, is not even original, you are like a big yapping puppy first time in an open field, you cannot stop bouncing. it not even annoying any more, it simply tiresome and boring like F!

They should let you have your own thread musings and truisms of a C..S.. (cause that what your moniker implies./fairy )
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,662    
19 Sep 2018  #666
Why sad? You are surprised?

Its sad because i have very fond memories of germany. The country was totally different even just 10 years ago than it is today. It has changed rapidly, and not for the better. 10 years ago no german imagined that thered be a thousand women groped in just one night, never imagined that thered be hundreds of no go zones - they had a lot of Turks and kurds but they were generally well assimilated, they never imagined christmas markets would be bombed and thst thered be regular stabbings, trucks driving into crowds and terror attacks. Neither coule they imagined that their kids would be in classrooms where german speaking children are a minority. It is sad crow. Ive always preferred countries like czechy slovakia even Austria over germany. Still though my family still lives there although a few have moved in part due to the migrant crisis and feeling unsafe as a woman.

not even annoying any more, it simply tiresome and boring like F!

Then ignore it and stop being a little b1tch
Ironside 47 | 9,109    
19 Sep 2018  #667
How about you control yourself better eh?
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,662    
19 Sep 2018  #668
How about you go back to your safe space with the other cry babies? If what i write bothers you dont read it and certainly dont respond. Its that simple.

Doesn't matter, you posted it before countless times regardless of the thread topic

And no this is the first time ive posted a link to that video. Ive posted other videos about uk germany etc but this is the first time ive posted this one.
Lyzko 17 | 4,920    
20 Sep 2018  #669
Merkel just dismissed her chief "spymaster" a few days ago for not only right-wing ties, to among others the AfD, but also for remarking
that the Third Reich was not as significant as history has made it out to be. Sort of reminds me of LePen's comment that the Shoah was

"merely a footnote in history", or words to that effect.

Gotta hand it to that Angie! She acted decisively here and didn't waffle or make excuses!
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 8,870    
20 Sep 2018  #670
that the Third Reich was not as significant as history has made it out to be.

Are you sure? This remark stems actually from AfD chef Gauland ("Vogelschiss"), not from "spy master" Maaßen...
Lyzko 17 | 4,920    
20 Sep 2018  #671
Fair enough, yet who picked up the ball and ran with it?

I call it guilt by association, if you're familiar with the phrase. You hang out with bad people, and the smell of Judas lingers for as long as you live!

Never said that it's right, only that this is usually the way human nature functions.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 8,870    
20 Sep 2018  #672
She acted decisively here and didn't waffle or make excuses!

She has become a weak joke. If she really thinks her "spy master" has made a grave error she should have shown strength and dismissed him. But what did she do? She advanced him into a higher position with more pay. The whole country is (after your political leaning and sympathy) laughing and mocking or frothing and ranting. The rest is shaking their heads with confusion...

That could be very well the death of the current coalition....

PS: Where did you get your Germany news from Lyzko? Your information was all wrong...
Lyzko 17 | 4,920    
20 Sep 2018  #673
Same place as you did, pal, DER SPIEGEL, TAGESSPIEGEL etc. Oh, almost forgot the NYT, can't forget about that:-)

The problem with Germany is that her recent past was taught in such a heavy-handed way, most people of the post-70's era became immediately turned off to the constant haranging, lecturing from foreigners and the deep sense of shame inculcated into their everyday life. Today's young Germans have become almost inured to the lessons of the past and that's the real crying shame!
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 8,870    
20 Sep 2018  #674
Nah!

People are so busy with looking out for the next white man with parted hair and a moustache that they have become ignorant of the real dangers coming up right beside them.

I see a situation much more comparable with the last ten years of the GDR than with Weimar...

I even agree with Gauland...the 12 years of madness during the Third Reich have never been all of our 2000 years of history. What we today see is that the concentration on these years by politics and media is totally not helping at all to counter the modern problems.
Lyzko 17 | 4,920    
20 Sep 2018  #675
I'd have to agree there.

Figure you know the expression though "Nur lass' kein Gras darueber wachsen."
The Hitler period simply has to be presented to a new generation in a manner that's relevant to THEIR experience, most of whom might well be second-to third generation Germans only, whose family is from elsewhere in the world and who therefore have zero connection with the Holocaust!

This to me remains the ultimate challenge.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 8,870    
20 Sep 2018  #676
The Hitler period simply has to be presented to a new generation in a manner that's relevant to THEIR experience....

In my opinion not the ugliness, the horrible consequences, the shame should be teached in the schools in the first place but the seduction, the nice, warm and cuddly feelings, the superficial logic, in short about the unbelievable power these thoughts and politics gained over so many people.

Children learning and understanding THAT plus of course the awful consequences would much better inoculate them against any other "Rattenfänger" with similiar methods today, I think...
Rich Mazur 5 | 1,724    
20 Sep 2018  #677
Children learning and understanding THAT plus of course the awful consequences

What "awful consequences"?
They even made a movie about how losing a war with the US is absolutely wonderful. Just look at Japan and Germany. Both got the sweetest deal ever - military protection and the US markets. With that done and in place, both promptly set up all kinds of tariffs against the US products.

Again, Japan and Germany - smart. The US - dumber than a stone.

Russia should go to war with "America" for the same reasons.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 8,870    
20 Sep 2018  #678
What "awful consequences"?

Okay...for Germans it was the "greatest thing ever", but what about them Jews or Poles or Russians?

They even made a movie about how losing a war with the US is absolutely wonderful

Which was that?
Tacitus 1 | 641    
20 Sep 2018  #679
What "awful consequences"?

Aside from the millions of lives lost, Germany has in many ways never fully recovered from the consequences of the Third Reich.

Germany used to have several of the best universities in the world. German was the lingua franca in many scientific disciplines. All of that is gone. Never mind the historical treasures lost to war, destroyed by bombs or plundered by (mostly Russians). And in a way we are still paying for it, by having to rebuild East Germany.

military protection and the US markets

Neither of them are consequences of losing WWII. In fact, West Germany had to spend a substantial amount of money for its' defence. The reason why we nowadays spend less is because we have now friendly neighbours and thus no longer need the kind of army we had during the Cold War.
mafketis 16 | 6,008    
20 Sep 2018  #680
Germany has in many ways never fully recovered from the consequences of the Third Reich

Western Europe as a whole has not yet recovered from the consequences of WWII (which cannot all be laid at the feet of Germany). In a way the countries of the old eastern bloc (except for Russia and some other ex-soviet states) are now generally better off. They went through a few decades of light hell with communist regimes but emerged from them with their national ego intact, they believe they deserve to exist (it's not clear if many western europeans even want their countries to exist as countries rather than generic places on a map of unified Europe.
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,662    
20 Sep 2018  #681
Just look at Japan and Germany. Both got the sweetest deal ever - military protection and the US markets.

Don't forget about iraq and afghanistan. We pumped trillions into those countries including a lot for building schools, building up their army, infrastructure projects, etc even though those were never part of the nato mission. Difference is japanese and germans are smart and they used the stuff the us gave them wisely. Instead the Iraqis and afghanis did nothing. We give afgan army a fleet of hummers at over 100k some even 200k plus a piece what do the geniuses do? Take them apart and sell them for scrap metal. Same thing with Iraqis. We give them hummers and abrams tanks and get a whole division with artillery, mortars, apcs, tanks, hummers, etc is still too scared to fight and allows a group of a few hundred jihadis to take over a city of several million people. All that american tax payer money going to buy warlords and tribal leaders loyalty same with karzai (he even thanked the cia publically for the duffel bag fulls of cash they dropped off regularly) plus all the money spent on helping the locals accomplished nothing. Now both countries are the same sh1tholes theyve always been and even trillions spent on developing them didnt change that and never will.
Tacitus 1 | 641    
20 Sep 2018  #682
. In a way the countries of the old eastern bloc [...] are now generally better off (

Hardly. Western Europe consists of wealthy, mature democracies which offer its' citizen a very high standard of living. Compared to this, Eastern Europe is still rather unstable, and has still a long way to catch up. The main difference is though, that Eastern Europeans are feeling more insecure about their national identity, because they still remember times when they were supressed by the Russians. Western Europeans feel secure about it, and rightfully so. One day Eastern Europeans will feel the same.

However as we see in Poland and Hungary, the road is not necessarily straightforward.
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,662    
20 Sep 2018  #683
We feel just fine about our identity. The difference is several w european countries leaders dont mind eroding their national identity and sovereignty despite wishes of the people . Poland and the v4 dont want that and thankfully we have leaders who although have many faults generally listen to what their citizens want in relation to the eu - namely keep the money flowing, well keep our markets and labor force open but dont tell us how to run our country or who we should let in. We had of enough of rule from foreign capitals. Now that weve finally gained our independence from one socialist union ruled by moscow were not to keen it to trade it in for rule by a quasi socialist union ruled by brussels. Poles like the eu for the freedom of movement and the money it brought in, but we dont appreciate the political meddling in our domestic affairs. And actually neither do people in the larger eu countries like italy and france. Theres far more opposition to the eu. Sad thing is the country's leaders sell a huge chunk of their population out in some cases the majority and keep going by eus diktats and pouring tens of billions in which mostly ends up in the east.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 8,870    
20 Sep 2018  #684
I still feel totally german, thank you...no "eroded identity" here! :)
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,662    
20 Sep 2018  #685
No thats the point most germans appreciate their cultural identity, language, society etc. Its the ruling class people like merkel and thr greens who want to destroy that. One green politician i forget her name even said ' germans will become a minority in the next 20 30 years - and that is a good thing!' The same kind of people who tell germabs they should learn arabic. Meanwhile Merkel wont even hold up a german flag and despises german sovereignty and identity. If it were up to her shed dissolve german and all eu borders, identities, etc and just make the eu one big country without individual nations.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 8,870    
20 Sep 2018  #686
Its the ruling class people like merkel and thr greens who want to destroy that.

I would even narrow it down to the Greens. One of their leaders (Claudia Roth) wasn't even ashamed to walk under a flag of the Antifa with the sentence "Deutschland verrecke"....I'm never gonna forgive the Greens for that! Even as I pursue a quite "green" lifestyle myself, I will never vote for them!

But still, they are only some margins. Not "the ruling class" and for sure not the majority of the Germans. It's just wrong to put it that way...
Lyzko 17 | 4,920    
20 Sep 2018  #687
Explaining the NS-period obviously would be insulting one's intelligence, not to mention profaning, as well as dishonoring, those murdered innocents along with other victims to claim that Hitler built the Autobahn (true, but totally irrelevant!), encouraged good health by neither imbibing nor smoking, excercising and so on as a way

of relativizing these years by stressing the "positive" aspects of the Third Reich ad nauseum.

German students must learn of their past, much as Americans need to learn of their often shameful history, one atrocity at a time. Otherwise, it'll go over them like a wave and likely never be internalized.
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,662    
20 Sep 2018  #688
Theres no point in going about it ad nauseum and 'internalize' something that nearly all germans alive today never took part in. Sure study it as a part of european/german history but i dont see thr point in studying it as a seperate individual topic or subject. Besides who gets to decide the curriculum about the Nazi period and come up with answers to questions like how much time should be devoted to studying it, should it be in thr overall context of german history or a separate topic/subject, what about other genocides, do we focus on the nazis and holocaust and ignore other brutal regimes and genocides, will the curriculum contain only verified facts or will agendas and politics play a role, etc.

Several nations already mandate that students learn about the holocaust, due to much pressure by zionist groups. Of course as a result other genocides and vrutal periods of history are either not given the same importance or not studied at all. Students learn about the holocaust, but not katyn, the armenian genocide, yezhovs terror, etc. That also begs the question then was the holocaust more important than those other genocides and ethnic cleansing campaigns and if so why.

Fact is, it's a part of history and it should be studied as such with just the facts. Otherwise all it does is perpetuate this permanent neurosis that so many germans have including merkel that they must atone for sins that they never even committed.
mafketis 16 | 6,008    
20 Sep 2018  #689
much as Americans need to learn of their often shameful history, one atrocity at a time

Is there any ethnic group without a shameful history?
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 8,870    
20 Sep 2018  #690
Interesting historical news just in:

It seems Germany's history is even much older than those already known 2000 years since Arminius kicked roman asses in the Teutoburger Forest.

Historians and scientists are now sure that the famous "Sky Disc of Nebra" points to an much earlier kingdom in what is now Germany, 3600 years back!

Sooo coool! :)

bild.de/regional/sachsen-anhalt/sachsen-anhalt-news/geheimnis-um-himmelsscheibe-von-nebra-geloest-57376172,la=de.bild.html



Ossis of course! :):):)





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