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Poland and Kresy being reunited?


Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,732
27 Jul 2010  #61
When you get Konigsberg from Russia then we can start talking !:)

Nah...I don't feel any kinship or loss...Russia can keep this garbage dump it became, nothing prussian about it anymore!

Not really as there were not one German state till 1871,

Germans exist there for millennia already...and before there was a German state there was PRUSSIA...for centuries!

Well, after WWII you got what you deserved - let's face it!

So stop whining when YOUR master (and ally) did rearrange your borders the same way.
After all they rescued you in the first place!

Prussian crimes against Poles!

Well...the Ukrainians have some things to say about polish reign their self, and that's not nice!
Look in the mirror!

Oh! I know that German will try their luck....no mistake here .....I do not forget Germany - don't be afraid :)

Nah...we just want a peacy neighbourhood, full of prospering people with enough money to buy our stuff! :)
We have no meaningful borders whatsoever anymore...
Ironside 48 | 9,721
27 Jul 2010  #62
Right now i dont see such possibility.

But you do agree that is right thing!? right?
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,444
27 Jul 2010  #63
Its no about my land is about Poland land!

my bad, I assumed that you were talking about your farm in Ukraine:(.

I know what you are saying, but......but how are you going to claim the Polish land from Ukraine in a practical way. I have a farm in Bieszczady, inquired if it was for sale (see I want to buy it back), but it is not.

good lack mate:)
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
27 Jul 2010  #64
What is wrong with eggs, we have eggs, you have Palikot - I don't see any difference

I do, Palikot is a very smart cunning man who's using his clownish exterior to further his and his party' goals, the people who threw eggs in Ukrainian parliament were just a mindless mob.

Even today the polish elite is much more subtle and effective, what changed is not the style of polish politics but its goal, in the interwar period it was to further Polands goal now its to further personal goals.

150 years is enough in my opinion. I am curious what have Ukrainians hijacked, now I am curious

Its not, if it was you would not have the kind of issues you have in Ukraine, what did they hijack? Polish artists, writers, architecture.

For example you can read today how glorious the Ukraine was prior to Polish invasion, there was no invasion and Ukraine was a depopulated field with 2 barns and a house.

You read Sobieski who was supposedly Ukrainian or about the "great Ukrainian city of Kraków" there's quite a lot of made up history in Ukrainian books.

am glad you worry, but if it collapses, Irons can claim his land;)

If it collapses instead of weak Ukraine Poland gets strong Russia as a neighbour, Ukraine is beneficial for Poland, if its friendly we have a friendly neighbour, if its unfriendly its still too weak to threaten us on any level so whether friend or foe, weak or strong Ukraine is preferable to Russia.

many things, trust me, Ukrainians have a strong sense of identity

Yeah except they cant seem to agree what identity it is, for some its Russian, for some its Ukrainian and even then Ukrainian means quite a few things.

Ukraine is faaaar from stable in that regard.

really don't like to involve myself in speculations about that, different Ukrainians cherish different heros.

Heroes indicate where the country is going, Chmielnicki and Bandera are not a good idea plus not everyone sees them as heroes, they promote certain ideas but not unity.

But you do agree that is right thing!? right?

Not if it involves booting people from their homes, after having my own people f*cked sideways for several generations i'd never have it done to someone else.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,732
27 Jul 2010  #65
"great Ukrainian city of Kraków"

WTF???

Everybody knows it was german!!!

;)
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,444
27 Jul 2010  #66
Everybody knows it was german!!!

ach so:)
Looks like there are as many nationalist nutters in Ukraine as in Poland;)
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
27 Jul 2010  #67
WTF???

Everybody knows it was german!!!

Rrrrright... i have to admit i was wrong though it did have a german majority for 80 years but that still doesnt make it remotely german :P

@Aphrodisiac.

According to a Ukrainian guide "Ukrainian places in Poland" by Lwiv foundation Ukraine-Rus we discover that:

Juliusz Słowacki - a famous polish writer is in fact a Ukrainian.
King August - Ukrainian.
Prince Poniatowski - Ukrainian.

Kraków is a ukrainian city given to the Poles by Germans.

Thats just one of many many examples of the alternate worlds history by Ukraine, even your schoolbooks have those.
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,444
27 Jul 2010  #68
really, that is utterly funny.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
27 Jul 2010  #69
I take it you're not living in Ukraine quite some time?
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,444
27 Jul 2010  #70
never have, born and raised in Poland to Ukrainian parents:). Learnt Ukrainian with English- Ukrainian dictionary mostly, educated until high school in Poland:). Podobno nawet nie zaciagam, kiedy mowie po Polsku:) lol
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,732
27 Jul 2010  #71
i have to admit i was wrong

*runs to make a fat red cross in calendar*

:)
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
27 Jul 2010  #72
never have, born and raised in Poland to Ukrainian parents:).

From Suwalskie region?

Learnt Ukrainian with English- Ukrainian dictionary mostly, educated until high school in Poland:).

Take a trip to Ukraine, Lwów and Kiev are places to go.

Podobno nawet nie zaciagam, kiedy mowie po Polsku:) lol

To ty już bardziej Polak?:)
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,732
27 Jul 2010  #73
Kraków is a ukrainian city given to the Poles by Germans.

What a uniquely messy place our lands are...:)

We should really stop going after each others throats again and again! Our peoples and histories are much to intertwined for that...it makes no sense any longer!
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,444
27 Jul 2010  #74
From Suwalskie region?

No, zachodnipomorskie region.

Take a trip to Ukraine, Lwów and Kiev are places to go.

I will, but I am more attached to the place my parents are from, Bieszczady and I made many trips there over the years.

To ty już bardziej Polak?:)

I don't think so, I don't feel Polish for obvious reasons. I am Ukrainian ethnically, born and raised in Poland. It is what it is. All my Polish friends are aware of my background. Then there is Canada connection. Life is good. This way I speak 3 languages, I am not complaining:)
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
27 Jul 2010  #75
I will, but I am more attached to the place my parents are from, Bieszczady and I made many trips there over the years

Ah i thought so, Vistula action descendants?

I don't think so, I don't feel Polish for obvious reasons.

Which is a reason why Vistula had to be done.
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,444
27 Jul 2010  #76
that was not the reason why Vistula was carried in the fist place. It was done because the local population was supporting UPA ( a very strong hold in my family's village and some members of my family joined)and Poles had an easier way of handling it by removing the population. Also, it was easier to resettle Bieszczady with Poles, that way the Polish government could reinforce their power in that region.

I have to say that the attempts of Polonization did not work very well.
OP Czarnkow1940 5 | 95
28 Jul 2010  #77
Kraków is a ukrainian city given to the Poles by Germans.

I suppose Warsaw was a Russian city and it was kindly given to Poland after ww1 ;)

As you can see when kresy was part of Poland it had many different types of people why would you what these people to leave they have just as much right to live there as poles do.

Kresy
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
28 Jul 2010  #78
have to say that the attempts of Polonization did not work very well.

Oh they did but only after you guys got scattered, you intermarried and today there's maybe 10% of the pre-Vistula minorities that feel like you.

Thats to say im not an enemy of Ukraine or anything it was just too dangerous to have you guys bunched up in one place and supporting UPA.

As you can see when kresy was part of Poland it had many different types of people why would you what these people to leave they have just as much right to live there as poles do.

Hah! Try telling it to Ironside.
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,444
28 Jul 2010  #79
Oh they did but only after you guys got scattered,

at the beginning yes, but once people got to know where they were, it was not the case anymore.

you intermarried

I don't know the statistics, but even those who did are still active in the Ukrainian circles.

there's maybe 10% of the pre-Vistula minorities that feel like you.

oh, no. every member of my family feels the same way as me and it is not an unusual at all. We also have some immigrants from Ukraine who settled in Poland, so the group is getting bigger in fact.

Thats to say im not an enemy of Ukraine or anything it was just too dangerous to have you guys bunched up in one place and supporting UPA.

those were the days, AK was supported by Polish population, it just made sense.
PennBoy 76 | 2,437
28 Jul 2010  #80
Sokrates:
Kraków is a ukrainian city given to the Poles by Germans.

Krakow was never a Ukrainian city, it was ALWAYS a Polish city when of course it was a free country, ethnic Ukrainian lands extended a bit past Przemysl in southern Poland and almost to Lublin in central Poland no further, so how did you come up with that one?
plk123 8 | 4,150
29 Jul 2010  #81
What are people thoughts of Kresy one day reunited with Poland as a single state which is multinational.

are you ready to give up Szczecin or Wroclaw?
OP Czarnkow1940 5 | 95
29 Jul 2010  #82
That has nothing to do with kresy thats an issue with Germany not Ukraine, Belarus ect. But if the Germans want it back there more then welcome to try and take it and see what happens ;)
plk123 8 | 4,150
29 Jul 2010  #83
maybe it doesn't to you but if PL wants to take someone else's land then it will also work in the other direction.. and PL will have to cough up lands it controls that aren't really polish.
OP Czarnkow1940 5 | 95
29 Jul 2010  #84
PL wants to take someone else's land

No I am not suggesting that Poland trys to take other countries only retrieve city like Lwow which was promised to Poland by Soviets.
plk123 8 | 4,150
29 Jul 2010  #85
promised? hmm
OP Czarnkow1940 5 | 95
29 Jul 2010  #86
promised?

Well it is well known fact that Stalin promised Poland that it would get Lwow, East Prussia and free elections but in the end Poland got none of that.
plk123 8 | 4,150
29 Jul 2010  #87
first i ever heard of this.. hmm.. and i highly doubt Stalin promised anything to PL.. just doesn't seem like something he'd do..
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,732
29 Jul 2010  #88
Well it is well known fact that Stalin promised Poland that it would get Lwow, East Prussia and free elections but in the end Poland got none of that.

Stalin lied??? Noooooooooo........

(I really wonder how far a foreign policy would come if it's build on "Stalin's promises")

;)
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
29 Jul 2010  #89
Well it is well known fact that Stalin promised Poland that it would get Lwow, East Prussia and free elections but in the end Poland got none of that.

Dude its f*cking Stalin we're talking about, he makes poker professionals look honest.

Also Stalin did not promise Poland neither Lwów nor East Prussia.
Nathan 18 | 1,363
29 Jul 2010  #90
there was no invasion and Ukraine was a depopulated field with 2 barns and a house.

And a herd of horses, which Poles stole from Ukrainian farmers to attack German tanks.

h...we just want a peacy neighbourhood, full of prospering people with enough money to buy our stuff!

:) Nice.

Thats to say im not an enemy of Ukraine or anything

Wow!
*borrows a fat red marker from BB and marks this date in his calendar* :)


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