in 2033 the AfD will win the elections
Yes, but don't panic Alien: on 26th January 2034 we will sign a non-aggression pact with Germany, so chill.
Kay Gottschalk AfD member of the Bundestag demands €1.3 trillion in compensation from Poland
Yes, but don't panic Alien: on 26th January 2034 we will sign a non-aggression pact with Germany, so chill.
will sign a non-aggression pact with Germany, so
However, this pact will be unilaterally terminated by Germany in 2039 after the signing of the Bobko/Chrupalla Treaty.
the Bobko/Chrupalla Treaty
Damn...
Polish right-wingers a
You mean expressing concern? Maybe. Please stay out of other people anuses.
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Oh all might Germany, If they do that see them collapsing in the real time long before anything in Poland happens. China is egger to play bigger role in Poland and there are some other countries too. Wake up from your delusions.
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13 May 2026 #65
...long before anything in Poland happens
Ironside, should EU payments to Poland ever dry up, the country is screwed big time. We both know that. Not to forget that Poland faces a severe demographic crisis and your pension system will sooner rather than later collapse. Some projections have already suggested that the Polish average pension may drop to 29% of previous earnings by 2050. You will have no cash left to fund your military, or anything else for that matter.
should EU payments to Poland ever dry up, the country is screwed big time.
in 2024 the balance of transfers between the Polish budget and the EU budget was about 7 billion PLN (like 1.6 billion euro) in advantage to Poland - in comparison the general income of the Polish state budget was about 620 billion PLN - do your math
(the figures for 2025 were more to the advantage of Poland at about 25 billlion PLN positive balance for the country)
We both know that
No we don't. I don't know what you know but I don't know any such thing. Those payments has ended (or are about to end) anyway. Those payments are tiny fraction of the Polish GDP. I recognize ignorant people when they waffle about payments from the EU to Poland, they have no idea what they are talking about.
Those payment are to bribe a certain segment of the Polish society a very narrow segment but influential. Those payment do more harm than good.
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You will have no cash
Not if we are going to be so shamelessly exploited by anyone due to incompetence and corruption of the Polish political class. Those people in charge are for the most part useless. Otherwise don't worry about it.
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13 May 2026 #68
@gumishu
I don't know how you ended up with those numbers, because...
"overall, over €137 billion in combined RRF and Cohesion Policy funds are now accessible following rule-of-law reforms, despite recent investigations into subsidy fraud." (Source: European Commission).
Poland is the largest net recipient in the EU.
I don't know how you ended up with those numbers, because...
"overall, over €137 billion in combined RRF and Cohesion Policy funds are now accessible following rule-of-law reforms, despite recent investigations into subsidy fraud." (Source: European Commission).
Poland is the largest net recipient in the EU.
should EU payments to Poland ever dry up, the country is screwed big time.
Do you really believe that those EU payments to Poland will continue for much longer?Poland is so successful that The EU will soon be asking for more money from Poland than they are investing back!
I recognize ignorant people when they waffle about payments from the EU to Poland, they have no idea what they are talking about..
100% correct!
Poland is the largest net recipient in the EU.
For now.... those days are nearly over and soon Poles will be thinking about a Polexit....
The EU will soon be asking for more money from Poland than they are investing back
If this happens, it will mean that Poland has achieved an unprecedented success in Europe by becoming a net payer. This would also mean that large Polish companies would sell their products throughout Europe duty-free. For now, however, I can spend a whole week in Germany without seeing a single "made in Poland" product. 🤷♂️
@External
the figures were taken from the official Polish government website - Poland also pays into the EU budget, you genius - and more and more so with every year
also even if Poland was (and probably still is) the largest recipient of the EU funds, it's definitely not so on the per capita basis
also I don't know what RRF stands for - I'm not a politician and don't work in the media and my contact with foreign based media is minimal
the figures were taken from the official Polish government website - Poland also pays into the EU budget, you genius - and more and more so with every year
also even if Poland was (and probably still is) the largest recipient of the EU funds, it's definitely not so on the per capita basis
also I don't know what RRF stands for - I'm not a politician and don't work in the media and my contact with foreign based media is minimal
Those payments are tiny fraction of the Polish GD
Indeed. And as any economist will tell you, a relative small share of the GDP that are exclusively used for investments can have a very large leverage effect. One of the great problems facing most developed economies today is that there is little room for investments in the budget after paying for interest rates, welfare, military and the generell upkeep (not improvement) of the infrastructure.
by becoming a net payer.
It would also inevitably increase Poland's weight and political influence in Europe. There will come a point after the war in Ukraine is over/frozen when the debate within the the EU will start on whether or not economic ties with Russia should be restored. And it or course makes a difference, when the biggest recipient of EU funds argues against it (thereby putting additional strain on other economies who would benefit from trade with Russia) or if a net payer whose economy is larger than Spain is opposed to it.
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14 May 2026 #73
Poland also pays into the EU budget, you genius
Poland is the LARGEST net recipient in the EU. They will receive a record EUR 43 billion from the EU in 2026 plus EUR 43.7 billion in defense loans. Any questions?
Recovery and Resilience Facility (RRF)
Do you really believe that those EU payments to Poland will continue for much longer?
Hopefully not. Poland has been a leech ever since they joined.
Poles will be thinking about a Polexit
Yes, please. Yes, please. Yes, please. And then we will invite the UK back in.
Yes, please. And then we will invite the UK back in.
Who's "we"? And what stops you from inviting the UK back in now? Surely not Poland?
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14 May 2026 #75
Who's "we"?
We, the people of the EU, through our representatives.
And what stops you from inviting the UK back in now?
Do you follow what's going on in the U.K.? They arer close to hand over power to Trump's lickspittle Farage. Should that happen, inviting them back makes no sense. We'll find out pretty soon.
We, the people
Right. :)
Trump's lickspittle Farage. Should that happen, inviting them back makes no sense.
But you said that you will invite the UK back in when Poland leaves the EU. So what's the story? Why can't you invite them back with Poland still in the EU?
Just curious.
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14 May 2026 #77
Why can't you invite them back with Poland still in the EU?
Oh, I was just following Miloslaw's line of thought when he said that Poles will soon think about PolExit.
Look, I have no problem with Poland being in the EU as long as they are a productive member. Europe doesn't need loudmouth Polish politicians with an annoying illusion of grandeur who play the eternal victim like Israel, endlessly banging on about WW2 and how badly Poland was treated. Move on, get over it. You were not the only ones. And please: stop allowing right-wingers like Kaczyński and his PiS clowns to poison the well.
I have no problem with Poland being in the EU as long as they are a productive member.
Oh, I think that - at closer inspection - you would find us quite productive indeed.
Polish politicians with an annoying illusion of grandeur
Hm... but you see, we are neither Czechs to conduct international politics in a Czech way nor Zimbabwe to be treated like that by some of the western politicians who still think that they can lecture us on democracy, rule of law, freedom etc. Don't treat us like we are Czechia, don't treat us like we are Zimbabwe, and you will find that we can appreciate it and be much more useful than annoying.
Kaczyński and his PiS
They're finished - their electorate is dying out. They are not Polish patriots. More like leeches trying to use old fears and prejudices for their political gains.
Don't treat us like we are Czechia, don't treat us like we are Zimbabwe, and you..
Oh my God... you have truly drank from the Putin fountain.
you have truly drank from the Putin fountain
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Explain yourself, young man.
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14 May 2026 #81
Don't treat us like we are Czechia
How are Czechs treated? In European context, Poland has the same rights as Liechtenstein, the Czech Prepublic, France or Germany. You're nothing special even if you think you are. What you said reminds me a little bit of Józef Piłsudski.
They're finished - their electorate is dying out.
Here's hoping...
Explain yourself, young man.
Well, this is where Mafketis has it right.
Russians care too much about how they are treated and what others think of them.
Look at Israel - nobody there seems to give a single sh*t re: what other people think about them.
That's a resilient and durable model.
Always insisting on being treated with a certain respect and ceremony - that's a very oriental, and ancient way of thinking that may not be appropriate for this modern world.
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Putin's whole career is based on - "How can they allow themselves to talk to us this way?"
This is why I said what I said. No judgement.
How are Czechs treated?
Well, per capita they received more European funds than Poland, so I suppose they cannot complain. What I meant was that Poland's larger potential and power (also military) should be taken into account in international relations, but instead - at least I sometimes get that impression - some people in the West expect the Czech-level compliance from us. You won't get it. We love you, our friends and allies, but you won't get such meekness from Poland (even if the meek will, of course, eventually inherit the Earth).
What you said reminds me a little bit of Józef Piłsudski.
OMG Thank you!
Here's hoping...
Fingers crossed.
a very oriental, and ancient way of thinking that may not be appropriate for this modern world
Ah... hm... damn it...
You are, as usual, quite right.
The vast expanses of Russia are much more suitable for Polish soul and spirit than Italian bordellos, Dutch shops, Portuguese sardine bars or Flemish town squares - as charming as they might be (the bordellos, I mean). Therefore, it is not entirely impossible that we share some of the spiritual characteristics with our Russian brothers. You know what I think - we are a family: dysfunctional, with a lot of violence and strong feelings involved, but a family nonetheless.
Italian bordellos, Dutch shops, Portuguese sardine bars
Russians (90%+) are serfs by ancestry.
So when various Korvinuses and others call us the nigg*rs of the white world - it is true, to some extent.
Like the plantation slaves, we developed a completely non-bourgeois world view.
Money means nothing. Power is ethereal. What matters is your standing within the community.
Maybe this is why the Soviet Union made Spartacus its main "hero".
Spartacus led an army of slaves, who relied only on his leadership, and his willingness to bear the burden and the responsibility. It all ended in an epic fiasco, but he did not dirty his name and instead entered the eternal pantheon - even crucified.
Rome survived, but eventually it paid for its sins.
Even the name of the award - "Hero of the Soviet Union" - is special. To me, this is the top award possible in the world (even despite Brezhnev having multiple ones).
Russia always had heroic ideals, more appropriate to the Odyssey and Iliad, than Adam Smith.
various Korvinuses and others call us the nigg*rs of the white world
... and when no foreigners are listening - we call ourselves the same. What annoys us most in others are our own faults (or what we perceive as faults).
It all ended in an epic fiasco, but he did not dirty his name and instead entered the eternal pantheon
Reminds me a bit of the Christ of Nations idea. Poles always, deep inside, celebrated our defeats more than our victories. All the uprisings, lost battles, people blowing themselves up in surrounded fortresses, insane cavalry charges etc. etc.
Russia always had heroic ideals, more appropriate to the Odyssey and Iliad, than Adam Smith.
... and you can replace Russia with Poland and get an equally true sentence.
But all this is dangerous. Quite dangerous indeed, because two nations which are so much alike cannot tolerate each other in the long run. :( There can be only one Christ... and one anti-Christ (very similar to Christ, so as to deceive many).
Quite dangerous indeed
lol.
Nothing about Russian thought and history is not "dangerous".
America and Britain spent almost a century, trying to contain our dangerous ideas just to our part of the world - fearful that it might infect their own serfs.
Russia has always been "dangerous".
Dangerous to the Kings of France and Germany, because we were ruled by Viking criminals.
Dangerous to Europe during the rise of Peter. Because our attempts to find our place under the sun, forced the Swedes and others to try to extinguish us.
Dangerous to Hitler, because Judeo-Bolsheviks were trying to erase the true Germania.
Dangerous to America now, because these people say that money is not the be-all end-all, and they ruin our message that greater wealth leads to greater happiness.
Russian ideas are inherently dangerous - always have been. We don't have safe ideas, only dangerous ones.
@Bobko
Yes. Dangerous ideas and dangerous in a more literal, military sense. You were trying to stretch other people's both ingrained beliefs and anuses. Couldn't end well, could it? So, eventually you got isolated, distrusted, sanctioned, armed against, and eventually opposed (people tend to be somewhat touchy about their beliefs and anuses).
Perhaps here lies the main difference between Russia and Poland - we eventually accepted that we are no longer a superpower (even if only regional).
As opposed to Poland, Russia is still out there to challenge entrenched beliefs and to stretch anuses. What can I say? Best of luck... but we are now in the opposite camp.
Yes. Dangerous ideas and dangerous in a more literal, military sense. You were trying to stretch other people's both ingrained beliefs and anuses. Couldn't end well, could it? So, eventually you got isolated, distrusted, sanctioned, armed against, and eventually opposed (people tend to be somewhat touchy about their beliefs and anuses).
Perhaps here lies the main difference between Russia and Poland - we eventually accepted that we are no longer a superpower (even if only regional).
As opposed to Poland, Russia is still out there to challenge entrenched beliefs and to stretch anuses. What can I say? Best of luck... but we are now in the opposite camp.
Mr. Gottschalk is demanding €1.3 trillion in compensation from Poland for it's role in the Nord Stream bombing. ..
What a w@nker!!!!How about compensation from Germany for all they did to Poland?
How did a smart, powerful country like Germany manage to get itself into such a mess?
You could ask that question of many smart,powerful countries but not of Poland.
Russia is still out there to contest entrenched beliefs and to stretch anuses. What can I say?
You should listen to Brussels, and don't mind our efforts.
Our schtick still works. In Africa, in Latin America, in Asia.
Good people around the world, see that we are fighting all the richest countries in the world at the same time - for what we believe is true - and they admire us for this. I promise you this is true. I travel a lot, and I have never felt more popular as a person with locals.
Russia is doing a classically Russian fight - against impossible odds. There are enough romantics in other places, who are capable of admiring this effort.
Russia's soft power is not Hollywood, or New York - but over the soul and the heart.
What ruins a lot of this is Putin. But we will get over him one day. Doesn't mean Russia will stop resisting being put in a cage, but the old man has worn out his welcome.