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Kay Gottschalk AfD member of the Bundestag demands €1.3 trillion in compensation from Poland


Tacitus  2 | 1459
16 Mar 2026   #31
No party "willingly" relinquishs power....they still have to when losing elections,

They have to if they are commited to our democracy.

But what happens when a party doesn't respect democracy and simply refuses to play by the rule?

We have seen it happening in other supposedly stable democracies in recent years.
OP Alien  31 | 7862
17 Mar 2026   #32
But what happens when a party doesn't respect democracy and simply refuses to play by the..

We saw this in Germany before World War II and also in Russia, China and many other countries. Democracy must be defended. BB, realize that you are currently in the trenches defending democracy, also against many individuals on this forum.
Bratwurst Boy  9 | 12922
17 Mar 2026   #33
But what happens when a party doesn't respect democracy and simply refuses to play by the..

Yes, exactly.....what would happen?

The lawmakers in West-Germany learned and took precautions for that exact case.....did they not?

Democracy must be defended. BB,...

With just banning the biggest opposition? I've seen that in the GDR....that won't work in the long run....
mafketis  45 | 12191
17 Mar 2026   #34
The best defense against AfD is to take their issues away by mainstream parties adopting policy positions that are in line with majority views.

I know, I know it sounds crazy.... but something like that happened in Denmark.
Lazarus  5 | 842
17 Mar 2026   #35
The best defense against AfD is

No, the best defence against them and their ilk is to make all political parties and politically exposed persons declare all donations of anything of value or work done for anybody other than their employer (i.e. the party). Doing that cuts such parties off from funding from those who want to see Europe fail.
mafketis  45 | 12191
17 Mar 2026   #36
No, the best defence against them and their ilk

So German parties can go on ignoring citizen preferences! Yay!

make all political parties and politically exposed persons declare all donations of anything of value

Sounds like putin's "foreign agents" law...
Tacitus  2 | 1459
17 Mar 2026   #37
The lawmakers in West-Germany learned and took precautions for that exact case

Here we have the Bockenförde dilemma

Böckenförde dilemma

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%B6ckenf%C3%B6rde_dilemma

A liberal democracy depends on conditions that it can not enforce.

Sure, the Basic Law has has contingency measures, but they ultimately depend on their acceptance of the wider population and the willingness to enforce it.

History teaches us that you dont need a majority for a revolution, a determined minority suffices.

Imagine we have a Trump scenario. The AfD wins, forms a government, and then loses the next election, but still have the votes of many people. They claim without basis that the elections in states with Non-AfD governments have been rigged. What then? Especially since they would have used their time in government to place their sympathizers into key positions.
Bratwurst Boy  9 | 12922
17 Mar 2026   #38
Thing is....you can't build on "what if" scenarios....no defense, no attack....you can't jail one on accusing him of future deeds...that won't work in a democracy either!

1.) They claim....so what!
Claiming that the political adversary does "things" is quite common....losing an election and claiming it was rigged has not much power. The BSW does that currently and has gone into a long conflict with justice, it won't gain them anything:

bundestag.de/dokumente/textarchiv/2025/kw51-de-wahlpruefung-1129218

So, yes we can expect some claims like this, maybe even worse, but....so what! If that accusation can't be proven, in a loooong process, its useless!

2.) Sympathizer in key positions....so what!
CDU, SPD, Greens even the Left did that for decades....of course the AfD will do the same! The more people decide to vote for the AfD the more "sympathizer" in key positions they will get, automatically. Maybe not in the high earning academical jobs but probably everywhere else...its hard to avoid that, only maybe with some law from earlier times, like the "Berufsverbote" and "Radikalenerlass", but for that the AfD needs to be officially "verboten" first!

History teaches us that you dont need a majority for a revolution, a determined minority suffices.

Right now the AfD voter don't act like revoluzzer! They hardly go onto protest marches, no regular demos...they use their right to vote on election days, thats it!

What means "determined" in that regard?
Tacitus  2 | 1459
17 Mar 2026   #39
he BSW does that currently and has gone into a long conflict with justice, it won't..

The BSW has (slightly) less than 5% of the votes and was never in government. The amount of damage they can do is limited.

of course the AfD will do the same!

The difference is that those parties (except for the Left party, but they have never been in a federal government and key positions) are pillars of our democracy. There is no doubt that their politicians are commited to our democracy, and their voters are unlikely to symphatize with attempts to destroy our democracy.

The AfD however... Every prominent politicians has made statements that raise serious doubts about their convictions. And less-prominent politicians are often even worse.

but for that the AfD needs to be officially "verboten" first!

Not necessarily. You can already be barred from e.g. working in Civil Service if there are reasonable doubts about your loyalty towards the liberal democratic basic order (interesting translation of freiheitlich-demokratische Grundordnung). Without going into too much detail, membership in a party that promotes views that go against the constitution can be used as source for those doubts, even if the party has not been banned yet.

Right now the AfD voter don't act like revoluzzer!

Well, many of those who tried to stop the confirmation of Joe Biden in 2021 had never come into conflict with the law before. The only red flag in hindsight was that they blindly followed a man who made up stories about election fraud and had systematically undermined democratic institutions while in power.

Personally, I'd argue that anyone who looks at Höcke and thinks while knowing what he has said and done "Yep, this guy would make a fine minister resident" should do some soul-searching about our history and democracy.

Final thoughts: The AfD is looking for inspiration in other countries. They have seen that their counterparts in France and Italy have found success by appealing to a broader audience. They however despise what they call "Melonization" after PM Meloni and instead go futher to the right. They have however noticed that perceived historical injustice is a powerful tool for agitation. Not unlike the far left, with whom they have surprisingly much in common (e.g. regarding their views on Putin). Unlike the far left, they don't talk about reparations for former colonies, but like PiS demand reparations for supposedly unsettled wrongs from WWII.

Which is what concerns me. So far, Polish-German ties have suffered quite a bit already due to those unfounded reparation claims from some polish parties. What happens if the AfD adds to the toxicity? That is a recipee for disaster in the long-term.
Bratwurst Boy  9 | 12922
17 Mar 2026   #40
What happens if the AfD adds to the toxicity? That is a recipee for disaster in..

So true! The stuff for nightmares....

I guess the best way would be as Maf already said, to acknowledge the reason(s) for the AfD-successes and rectify these certain problems and hence keep the party firmly on the opposition banks...na ja...we will see...

'night all :)

*waves*
OP Alien  31 | 7862
18 Mar 2026   #41
The stuff for nightmares

Rest easy, the AfD will not achieve an absolute majority in parliament any time soon.
OP Alien  31 | 7862
22 Mar 2026   #42
Today are the elections in Rhineland Palatinate. The CDU won by a large margin, the SPD came in second, and the AfD only came in third. The world is still in order. 🤷‍♂️
Bobko  32 | 3352
22 Mar 2026   #43
Rhineland Palatinate

Key words here.

It's not the good news you think it is.
mafketis  45 | 12191
22 Mar 2026   #44
the AfD only came in third. The world is still in order

And citizen concerns will continue to be ignored!!!!!! .......yay?

x.com/HollyGrayle/status/2035631875071627487

Do you really think Germany does a better job on that than Finland?
OP Alien  31 | 7862
22 Mar 2026   #45
And citizen concerns will continue to be ignored!!!!!! .......yay

If 80% of voters do not choose AfD, it does not seem that the other parties ignore citizen concerns.
mafketis  45 | 12191
22 Mar 2026   #46
it does not seem that the other parties ignore citizen concerns.

So most Germans are happy with burning coal rather than restarting nuclear energy and never deporting third world chancers who make it across the border and working longer to support them?
OP Alien  31 | 7862
22 Mar 2026   #47
restarting nuclear energy

Nobody really wants that. 🤷‍♂️
mafketis  45 | 12191
22 Mar 2026   #48
Nobody really wants that. 🤷‍♂️

So coal it is.... deindustrialization it is.... while talking heads prattle on about 'renewables' which are nowhere near being scalable....
Bratwurst Boy  9 | 12922
23 Mar 2026   #49
and the AfD only came in third.

Again....that is true but so wrong....what do you expect with that, Alien???

....Confetti rained down, shouts of triumph erupted, and cheering crowds filled the air at the AfD's Rhineland-Palatinate election party. According to initial projections, the AfD garnered 20 percent of the vote in a western German state for the first time. Despite its ongoing radicalization, the far-right party has thus established itself at a high level in yet another federal state. Lead candidate Jan Bollinger blushed with jubilation and was overwhelmed by hugs from party leaders....

taz.de/AfD-bei-Landtagswahl-Rheinland-Pfalz/!6164331/

....The AfD has more than doubled its support, making it the third-strongest party. All other parties have ruled out participating in a coalition government with the far-right extremists. Party leader Tino Chrupalla accordingly declared confidently on ZDF shortly after 6 p.m. that they intended to maintain their course of fundamental opposition. "The voters want what we have demonstrated," Chrupalla stated, and expressed his delight that they could now independently convene investigative committees in a West German state parliament.....

All german media speak today of a RECORD for the AfD......and your world is still "in order"???
OP Alien  31 | 7862
23 Mar 2026   #50
german media speak today of a RECORD for the AfD......

To each according to his merits, let's hope this record ends there.


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