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Are there interests that Poland share with Russia?


jwojcie 2 | 763
8 Apr 2010  #31
what is with one internal Poland`s question such is Silesia?

There is no such question in Poland. There is some autonomy movement in Upper Silesia (what maybe wouldn't be bad for the region - they need some higher level of cooperation inside conurbation in my humble opinion) but there is no question "inside Poland or not". Let put it into perspective, numbers:

- there is about 4650000 people living in Upper Silesia
- about 170000 of them declared themselfs as Silesians not Poles (btw, Silesians are not exactly Germans too), the rest are mostly Poles.
so you see it is minority issue... Similarly in Opolskie region (here is strong German minority). No issue at all in Lower Silesia (population is almost entirely polish).

Poland and Russia has interest that Ukraine exist as sovereign and independent state, within her current borders

That is surely interest of Poland, but Russia in recent years did many things to suggest that Russian interest is different. No reason to belive that it changed.
OP Crow 137 | 7,628
8 Apr 2010  #32
There is no such question in Poland

there were articles on the Net about it and some news, so i just mentined Silesian situation

btw, Silesians are not exactly Germans too

i know that. But, its not important what i know or what we know if Germany push things `a little`

That is surely interest of Poland, but Russia in recent years did many things to suggest that Russian interest is different. No reason to belive that it changed.

in my oppinon Ukraine wouldn`t even exist (after dissolution of USSR) if Russia didn`t support Ukrainian independance.

i think that, in last few years, Russia just tries to prevent and annul NATO influence on Ukraine considering obvious Russian geo-strategic interests in the region.

For turmoil in Ukraine, i blame NATO and even EU. They destabilized Yugoslavia and Serbia (maybe even Czechoslovakia) and now wants to destabilize Ukraine. In any case NATO/EU agressive policy on Ukraine isn`t in Poland`s best interests.

i see possibilities for Russian-Polish coordination over Ukrainian situation. Polish-Russian influence here must respect Ukrainian suveregnity, of course.
jwojcie 2 | 763
8 Apr 2010  #33
i see possibilities for Russian-Polish coordination over Ukrainian situation

I suppose such coordination would be welcomed by Ukrainians the same way as would Serbs welcome coordination over their situation by Austrians and Turks ;-)

i know that. But, its not important what i know or what we know if Germany push things `a little`

I know what you mean but you must understand some paradox of the current polish geopolitics. In reverse to Stalin's intention the closer Poland is to Germany the safer current border is... As polish (?) saying goes "keep your friends close but your enemies keep even closer" :-). Personally I don't treat modern Germany as an enemy, nevertheless this saying has seed of truth in it... Usual argument about Polish participation in NATO is that Poland is there because USA is great ally who will protect us from all evil, but rarely it is added that second maybe even more important reason is that Poland is in NATO because Germany is in it.
OP Crow 137 | 7,628
8 Apr 2010  #34
its not the same. If Poland and Russia as kin Slavic powers announce that they both and togather support Ukrainian suveregnity and independance it could only positively affect Ukrainian internal situation.

But, what would EU nad NATO say on that common Polish-Russian statement?
pawian 161 | 9,907
30 Sep 2019  #35
If Poland and Russia as kin Slavic powers announce that they both and togather support Ukrainian suveregnity and independance

Russia will never announce such support coz independent Ukraine is a pain in the ass for the Kremlin. However, Ukraine has resisted Russia successfully so far. Good luck.
Vlad1234 14 | 575
9 Oct 2019  #36
Russia will never announce such support coz independent Ukraine is a pain in the ass for the Kremlin.

Why exactly?
OP Crow 137 | 7,628
9 Oct 2019  #37
Russia will never announce such support coz independent Ukraine is a pain in the ass for the Kremlin.

Dobri brate, listen. Listen carefully.

I analyzed historical situation thru strategic filter and came to conclusion that biggest Polish historical mistake represent Poland`s penetration in Ukraine and bringing there elements of Catholicism. You know me. You know that I don`t speak in favor of any Christian option. To me, its all Roman constructs against us Sarmats. I here speak simple of balance.

It pains me that we Serbians were first line of Poland in crusade against Russia. Very first line and by saying that I mean really. Orthodox and pagan Serbs were even included and led Polish Catholic military formations (correct me but I think I heard name of formation was Lisowchycs or something). Serbs fought and Serbs were military instructors. Serbs were pressured by Ottomans and Poland helped us without hesitation. Only Catholics that sincerely supported us. But not over Christian solidarity, sure but, over Sarmatian connection. For the same reason, for Sarmation connection, Serbs- Sarmatian finest, Sarmatian very living heart, honored alliance with Poles and when Panowie said that THEY MUST MOVE ON THE EAST, Serbs understood urge and true fear (fear from Germanics and Pope) of Panowie and were with them, gave victories to Panowie. Poland In Ukraine acted on the demand of Vatican and Pope. It was all part of Vatican`s crusade against Orthodoxy.

But in our Slavic situation, balance between Catholicism and Orthodoxy was and is vital. Look how Vatican rewarded Poland and Poles. Most miserable Catholics are Poles. Miserable in sense that Vatican seek only to use them, germanize, assimilate in any way and destroy. Greeks tried to put us Serbs in that situation but got middle finger long ago. We didn`t give up from our ancestral faith within our version of Orthodoxy, no matter damned Greeks say. Damned same as Italians are damned.

But listen to me! THAT ERA IS OVER. Serbians, the re-claimers are coming back. We coming back from the grave where we were buried alive and WE RESTORING BALANCE AND BRINGING ORDER IN SLAVIC WORLD AND EUROPE.

Sarmats awake! Awake you last true Aryans for even our Aryanism is hijacked, vulgarized and stolen by THEM, by the damned Germanics!
pawian 161 | 9,907
9 Oct 2019  #38
Why exactly?

Why what exactly? Will never announce or pain in the ass?
Miloslaw 6 | 2,288
9 Oct 2019  #39
I have to completely agree with you here.
What question is he asking?
OP Crow 137 | 7,628
10 Oct 2019  #40
So, let me continue to tackle crucial questions, in connection to the topic. Because, if we tackle, we would see that Russia isn`t first Poland`s antagonist. No, not at all. See, with more people aware of this, Poland will be smarter and less vulnerable to manipulations.

Even Germanics as Germanics aren`t first enemy of Poland. For who are Germanics? Teutons? Think. You can think.... Germanics are/were tool of Vatican. Vatican`s collector of Slavic (ie Sarmatian) souls. Popes move finger, Teutons/Germanics moved eastern. All to the moment in history when Poland itself, in order to survive Vatican`t hegemonic policy, instead to retrieve its stolen (by Germanics) ethnic lands on the west of Europe, moved to the east of Europe. That way Poland entered in zone of Kievan Rus where Russian state and Russian ethos was formed and consolidated. See? Since then Russians have internal problems. It was Vatican`s gift to them. That is how Vatican work. Very sinister. Vatican supported Germanics stealing of Arkona and Slavic lands of what is now eastern Germany. Then, Vatican forced Poland to weaken Russians and actually, Vatican secured prolonged inter-Slavic conflict all to the our time. Now, Poland don`t hold its western lands, Russians don`t hold Kiev. Who hold Ukraine? Germanics pledge to hold it. Not Poland. Russians now there compete with Germanics. With Protestant and Catholic Germanics. What Poland got? By the God, Poland itself exist only because Serbs rebelled against Austro-Hungaria. Yes, exactly because of this.

Poles, sisters and brothers. We Serbians will tackle. We must. Its our role. But you awake. Finally awake.
Vlad1234 14 | 575
10 Oct 2019  #41
independent Ukraine is a pain in the ass for the Kremlin.

Why exactly?
Ironside 48 | 9,788
10 Oct 2019  #42
You mean you don't know?
OP Crow 137 | 7,628
11 Oct 2019  #43
Let`s not try to brake neck to the Russia. We done enough damage. If not for Russia, balance would be totally destroyed and manic germanics would like a flood overrun us Slavs completely. You think Vatican would seek to help Poland while looking how manics run for Poland that try to escape holding raised skirt? No, Vatican would only give short prayer and then join to manics in run for Poland. Pope would himself raise his skirt and run. That would they all do. Why help them?

There is the reason why Italians say to Greeks > ``Una faca, una rasa.``
NoToForeigners 6 | 1,004
11 Oct 2019  #44
What common with Russia Poland has is Schetyna and Budka.
OP Crow 137 | 7,628
11 Oct 2019  #45
Russia should liberate eastern Germany and give it as gift to Poland. That`ll do.

If that really happen in our time, considering development, Vatican may even give blessings to transfers.
vladi - | 13
2 days ago  #46
As long as they choose bandit as a president, we do not have anything in common with them.
OP Crow 137 | 7,628
2 days ago  #47
You can`t be serious.

If we presume that you speak in the name of most of the Poles, I would ask you, why is Polish justice that selective. Russian Tzars and Presidents were and for sure aren`t worse then Vatican`s Popes were in the past and today. You know, inquisitions, Borgias, etc, etc. And still, Poland with us Serbs in its first lines, in the name of those Popes, acted in what is now Ukraine in order to bring `true faith to the people there` at a time when people there gave birth to state of statehood to what is now Russian state. Imagine how, as a Serbian I feel moronic. Especially having in mind how Popes rewarded both of us, and Poles and Serbs. No matter most of Poles are Catholics and Serbs Orthodox, its a death race whom of us Vatican ruined more, Poles or Serbs.

Or where is Polish blockade of communication with Vatican, over Vatican`s taking part in genocide on 1 mil. Orthodox Serbs during WWII. And non in history was more loyal to Poland then Orthodox Serbs.

Or, why not blockade communication with Vatican because Vatican historically prefer to more respect Germanics over Poles and support Germanic spread on old Polish territories in what is now Eastern Germany?

After all, entire western Europe historically molest Poland. Molest, betray, molest, betray. Why punish only Russians? Because Poles feel inferior to western Europe and more advanced then Russians? Is that in your head what Popes some people smartly exploit?
vladi - | 13
2 days ago  #48
1. Poland is the largest beneficiary of EU funds.
2. 95% of Poles hate Putin (catholic and non catholic, it does not matter)
3. 80% of Ukrainians (orthodox?) hate Putin
4. After visiting Moscow, a year ago I went to Russian province, Putin's real Russia is a ********, third world at the best.
5. The rest of your speech is bubble.
pawian 161 | 9,907
1 day ago  #49
independent Ukraine is a pain in the ass for the Kremlin. Why exactly?

Why? Coz Russia strives at being surrounded by her dependencies or vassal states to feel secure in Europe. The Kremlin doesn`t need independent countries around Russia coz they are too unpredictable and one day they might become a source of trouble for Russia. Russians have been haunted by their Tartar occupation trauma since 14th century - they have never forgotten it.


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