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Hungary Veto on Poland Sanctions may not happen


OP Atch 15 | 2,438    
16 Mar 2018  #31
And is also overseen by European Commission good luck trying to fiddle that one.

Just in case you missed my earlier response, the Commission doesn't oversee elections in EU member states. We're all supposed to be democracies so it's not considered necessary. However, they do offer a voluntary support service for places like the African continent. It will be a sad day for your homeland if they have to ask to be 'overseen' like a third world country, because public confidence has dropped to such an extent that they suspect the elections are rigged.
dolnoslask 5 | 1,918    
16 Mar 2018  #32
We're all supposed to be democracies so it's not considered necessary.

Well the OSCE has and will watch Poland, especially in the current climate, so stop worrying.

Atch respectfully, get you citizenship vote to make your voice heard, and make a change if it worries you.
OP Atch 15 | 2,438    
16 Mar 2018  #33
But they won't be watching officially Dolno and will be able to do nothing to help. You cant' have it both ways. You can't say that you resent EU interference and at the same time rely on them to watch over you and prevent your government from infringing on your civil and human rights.

get you citizenship

I appreciate your irritation but I'm just an observer with an opinion. People don't have to be Polish or even live in Poland to have an opinion on its politics.
mafketis 16 | 5,896    
16 Mar 2018  #34
Yea but they are miles away from being far right,

The problem is that PiS hates anything not under its direct control. Now they want to be able to block private charities from collecting money or to take the money over themselves...

forbes.pl/wiadomosci/rzad-przejmuje-kontrole-nad-zbiorkam-publicznymi/p2vy6wg

How can this be justified?

A government that hates and wants to take over an organization that raises money for sick children and/or take over the money it raises. Can you support that _and_ call yourself a catholic?
OP Atch 15 | 2,438    
16 Mar 2018  #35
I read it. It's outrageous. Whilst it probably won't affect collections for the poor and the sick, it will definitely mean that any money raised for what PIS sees as 'leftist' causes will be appropriated. And who will decide whether the collection was 'illegal'? The courts................
Ziemowit 10 | 2,956    
16 Mar 2018  #36
confidence has dropped to such an extent that they suspect the elections are rigged.

And it was PiS themselves which first challanged this confidence. Our Dear Leader Chairman JK was once very dissatisfied with the results of some election, so he accuded PO of vote-rigging. And yet, despite this lack of confidence on the part of Our Dear Leader, PiS has won the last election winning an overwhelming majority in parliament. Now, JK and his men manipulate by the local electoral system - I am told - so we will see what comes out of it.
dolnoslask 5 | 1,918    
16 Mar 2018  #37
Well

it is necessary "to create legal regulations preventing the use of public collections for financing purposes that are contrary to the principles of social coexistence or an important public interest".

Whats wrong with that , It will stop money going to and subversive or terrorist organisations similar to IRA, soros, commies, antifa,nazis and the islamic state.

Wait and see what they block , then we can discuss the rights and wrongs of their actions.
OP Atch 15 | 2,438    
16 Mar 2018  #38
What regulations exist in other EU countries I wonder. There is a big difference between regulating charities to ensure that the funds collected are used for their stated purpose and forbidding the collection of funds for that purpose, which is what the new law is doing. It's saying you can't collect for a cause PIS doesn't approve of because if you do, we'll take the money.

It's another interference in civil liberties because if I decide to give to money to a charity the government may take it and give it to a cause of which I don't approve. And, the money won't be returned to me, so the government will in effect be stealing from me.
cms neuf - | 380    
16 Mar 2018  #39
The sentence should read it is necessary to prevent the use of public collections for terrorist organisations.

Nobody would have a problem with that. Soros is not a terrorist - in fact he is someone who has donated millions to worthy causes in Poland.

As Maf says, this is about their need to control everything.
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,399    
16 Mar 2018  #40
@cms neuf

Soros ngos are politicized and incite problems so soros hedge funds can short the currency when a crisis occurs putting millions in instant poverty while reaping unreal profits. Most people dont consider that a noble cause. This law is to prevent soros and similar ngos from meddling in polish politics. Lots of asian countries have passed similar measures as well after he singlehandedly desteoyed their currency. Hungary passed a similar law as well and russia ha forget about it. Poland ought to ha e a referendum on such things to show the majority support such measures against soros and co

If he wants to keep.helping children he can write checks to hospitals. Somehow i doubt he will in pl and hungary after such measures
mafketis 16 | 5,896    
16 Mar 2018  #41
Whats wrong with that

Who judges? What legal provisions does it point to, it's law by government decree
OP Atch 15 | 2,438    
16 Mar 2018  #42
As it's a law, then the decision about whether that law has been broken will up to the courts, which have of course been 'reformed' and one of the reasons they've been reformed is so that the government can introduce lots of new laws curtailing civil rights and freedoms which in theory can be challenged, but which in reality will be upheld by the courts.
dolnoslask 5 | 1,918    
16 Mar 2018  #43
so that the government can introduce lots of new laws curtailing civil rights and freedoms

I doubt that., maybe those on the extreme left or right will be targeted and thats a good thing.
OP Atch 15 | 2,438    
16 Mar 2018  #44
A responsible government doesn't introduce laws on the basis of 'targeting' certain groups at the expense of the bulk of the population. The laws introduced so far affect everybody who lives in Poland. As for extreme right wing groups, if anything they are being treated with kid gloves whilst counter protesters are being manhandled by the police because of the new law on public assembly, which removes the right of the people of Poland to counter demonstrate.
dolnoslask 5 | 1,918    
16 Mar 2018  #45
counter protesters are being manhandled by the police because

Yeah the same ones that manhandle our politicians, invade and stop parliament, abuse the remembrance of those that have fallen for Poland.

As I said the extreme left as above.
OP Atch 15 | 2,438    
16 Mar 2018  #46
Very few protesters have been physically violent towards anybody so that's a bit of a stretch Dolno. And most of them are certainly not extreme. For example, I don't agree with PIS - would you say I was 'extreme left'? I'm sitting here at my husband's desk with a Franciscan mass enrolment hanging above it that I got for him, a statue of Our Lady nearby and a framed prayer that hung all my life on the wall of my own childhood home since my mother picked it up in an antique shop years ago. You're painting a stereotypical picture, and trying to slot people neatly into left and right categories that don't always fit.
dolnoslask 5 | 1,918    
16 Mar 2018  #47
Yep I agree but lets not over complicate things like the argument over multiple genders, anyway glad you have respect for your roots. You should have your own desk important work all this forum stuff.

Every week there is some anarchist group in Europe tearing up the streets smashing cars and scaring dogs and old people, we will have none of this nonsence here thank you.

Anyway I'm hungry and its snowing, what can I do with a tin of luncheon meat.
Dougpol1 24 | 1,891    
16 Mar 2018  #48
Wait and see what they block , then we can discuss the rights and wrongs of their actions.

Are you for real Dolno? Did you really live in what passes for a democracy in the UK for all those years? You certainly fit in well in the Poland of today. The idea of proper government for the people is that they tell of their plans, then parliament debates the plans, the people air their views through petitions or whatever, and then there is a first reading of the proposed act etc.

In atrue democracy, that is......One doesn't wait for a law to be enacted then "discuss the rights and wrongs..." That is too late to do anything about it. But that's your game, isn't it?

I'm so glad for you that you've finally come home, to the brainwashing and autocracy that some Poles so clearly love - because they are too lazy to think for themselves.

manhandle our politicians

Some Brits would do more than manhandle the likes of Ziobro, after that disgraceful summer's night work 18 months ago, I guarantee you that.
mafketis 16 | 5,896    
16 Mar 2018  #49
some countries just carried it o

including Poland to a large degree.... so mr. Catholic tradition should remember what country he's in.
dolnoslask 5 | 1,918    
16 Mar 2018  #50
Did you really live in what passes for a democracy in the UK for all those years?

Yes I did live there and yes that system turned the country into a $hithole, Poland has something different going on, and yes I do fit in very well indeed.

Poles so clearly love - because they are too lazy to think for themselves.

Oh what stereotyping nazi propaganda again Doug,, that's what your great grandfather used as an excuse to trade slaves, told you before go home to the UK and moan there otherwise get Polish citizenship and do something about it, you have been in the country long enough.

And yes I do love my Polish Brothers and sisters , I have made more friends here and have been more warmly welcomed than any other country I have lived in.
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,399    
16 Mar 2018  #51
@Atch

Thats because poles and poland supports flag waving patriots, not unwashed antifa thugs who try to block independence day marches and urinate in public so marchers have to step in p1ss.

youtu.be/XZZoJst-h44
youtu.be/M5UTNRB6zn4

Poland doesnt treat haters of polish patriotism and christianity well. This isnt the countey for far left anarchisgs who provoke and try to stop marches backed by the government and majority of polish society

Doug you dont even speak polish... yet youre supposedly so ingrained into pl society lol. If you like poland so much and polish people why do you make such offensive comments like that poles cant think for themslevws? Why do you stay in pl if you think so lowly of the people, the countru the government? You constantly badmouth poles on here. I highly doubt your polish colleaguess friends or even the governmwnt appreciate all your polonophobic rants and insults against an entire people
dolnoslask 5 | 1,918    
16 Mar 2018  #52
Poland doesnt treat haters of polish patriotism and christianity well

Not at all, most would have them thrown out of the country.

They are lucky that there is a government and police force that protect them from the general population.
Dougpol1 24 | 1,891    
16 Mar 2018  #53
You do talk some **** Dolno. In Katowice and Krakow the police are the mafia. Ask the locals.
dolnoslask 5 | 1,918    
16 Mar 2018  #54
Yea yea I have been there, you mean the drunkard expats and stag parties that give the Police grief most weekends.
Dougpol1 24 | 1,891    
16 Mar 2018  #55
Why do you stay in pl if you think so lowly of the people, the countru the government?

The government? They are outmoded fools, who are playing the long game to be political bods because they are spending money that their policies did not generate. We will see how long that lasts. And I have lots of Polish friends thanks:) Most of them share my views - some don't, and we don't talk about society in that case. In fact my closest female pal is a PIS activist, but we just goad each other gently; she's cool, so I am too. Anybody who bangs on about muslims and such shite as Polska dla... etc etc get a verbal lashing from old me though:)

Love Poland, and the Poles who are my friends. No time for nationalists though, whether they wave a Union Jack, support the muslim brotherhood, go on a wankfest on November 11th, or whatever. Tiresome ignoramuses:)
Crow 141 | 7,007    
16 Mar 2018  #56
Hungary itself have enough problems with EU. It would help if official Poland have more consistent politics so that Poland`s friends know what Poland actually want.

While Poland sometimes kissing EU and at the same time opposing, Hungary more seriously opposing official EU and NATO stance of Serbia. Practically, behind the scene, in silence, Hungary and Serbia signed mutual protection pact, while political and military cooperation between two countries constantly increasing.

Serbian, Hungarian army perform "Neighbors" exercise
inserbia.info/today/2014/10/serbian-hungarian-army-perform-neighbors-exercise/

Members of the Serbian and Hungarian Armed Forces carried out successfully on Friday the exercise entitled "Neighbors

Hungarian-Serbian military cooperation must be strengthened
kormany.hu/en/ministry-of-defence/news/hungarian-serbian-military-cooperation-must-be-strengthened

Minister of Defence István Simicskó emphasized that the Hungarian-Serbian military cooperation must be strengthened in the interest of the future and the security of both nations.

Joint exercise of river units of Serbia and Hungary
mod.gov.rs/eng/11564/zajednicka-vezba-recnih-jedinica-srbije-i-madjarske-11564

the Serbian and Hungarian sailors were assigned to a joint detachment established for the purpose of the exercise, called "Danube"

Dirk diggler 7 | 3,399    
17 Mar 2018  #57
@Dougpol1

So you really believe that polish people are okay with you calling their independence day a 'wankfest'?

Sharing views is one thing. I doubt most of your polish friends, much less polish society as a whole, appreciate you calling the country a sh1thole or calling an entire people backward, or saturday shoppers plebs and all the disparaging things youve said about poland and the polish people.

And who exactly is Poland suppose to be for if not Polish citizens?

The pl government is asking poles to report such antipolish statements and report those who may be a threat to polish society. I dont think theyd be too thrilled to learn about a non citizen expat who regularly posts what could easily be considered anti polish hate speech. Pretty sure calling poland a sh1thole, independence day a wankfest, and polish people backward, plebs, stupid, criminal, unable to think for themselves, etc falls in this category. This isnt the us where theres free speech. Fortunately pl government doesnt care about anti gay or anti muslim speech though : )

Keep it up and I will personally report you Doug. Talking sh1t about a political party you dont like is one thing, disparaging my motherland and polish people is another. I can guaruntee you i wont be the only one to find your posts here about poland and poles highly offensive. You talk a lot of sh1t here yet id like to see you call poland a sh1thole or say poles are stupid to my face or any other polish patriot. Go on nov 11 with a bullhorn and announce that its a wankfest to everyone in public like you do here . See how many dudes run up to you and smack you silly. Seems you only have balls when hiding behind a keyboard
gumishu 11 | 4,851    
17 Mar 2018  #58
PiS has won the last election winning an overwhelming majority in parliament.

a major movement of the supervising of the election was in place during the last elections (Ruch Kontroli Wyborów) - does it ring a tune for you
Dougpol1 24 | 1,891    
17 Mar 2018  #59
So you really believe that polish people are okay with you calling their independence day a 'wankfest'?

Yes, actually, the parades are exactly that, with their nationalist baying mob - didn't your president, him with the bleached teeth, admit as much?
Dougpol1 24 | 1,891    
17 Mar 2018  #60
Keep it up and I will personally report you Doug.

Thanks Dirk! I needed a laugh. Dirk...who had some family members who you painted as propping up the commie regime. So now you, the Big Boy of Polish forums, are going to inform the Polish authoritiesabout little old moi? You do know what people thought of squealers back then don't you?

I've had the Katowice scumbag police trying to batter down my (steel plated) door without any success in the past, but I don't think the liberal (and anti-PIS) Tri-City police will be interested, do you?

Do keep it up Dirk:) :) This is amusing.




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