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Poland highest inflation in 20 years


johnny reb 49 | 7,099
3 Nov 2021 #91
Your daily propaganda won't change the majorities minds.
jon357 74 | 22,054
3 Nov 2021 #92
PiS in specific, is losing grip. The Polish Deal will be their demise within 12 months of its passing,

The tide does seem to be turning now. One potential watershed is how the Turów scandal is resolved.
Novichok 4 | 7,962
3 Nov 2021 #93
Shocking and likely to worsen under PiS' poor stewardship of the economy.

PiS was elected democratically in a democracy and according to the democratic rules. Whatever PiS does is, therefore, the will of the people.
jon357 74 | 22,054
3 Nov 2021 #94
Now he thinks we can't criticise a political party because some people voted for it...
Novichok 4 | 7,962
3 Nov 2021 #95
No, he thinks that in a democracy, the ruling party and those who made them the ruling party are morally responsible for what that ruling party does.

What I see here is a lame attempt to smear PiS as if Poland were a dictatorship.

To my credit and consistently with my political genius, I blame and bi*tch about the American moron voters more than the US Bolsheviks under the rule that in a democracy stupid voters get stupid results - the results they so richly deserve.
jon357 74 | 22,054
3 Nov 2021 #96
And when the 'ruling party' attempt to undermine democratic norms and openly admire dictatorships, they wear the cap that fits them.

And yes, inflation is running high here, and yes, their fiscal policies are crap.
Novichok 4 | 7,962
3 Nov 2021 #97
And when the 'ruling party' attempt to undermine democratic norms and openly admire dictatorships,

...then the wise voters unelect the ruling party. See how simple democracy is?
jon357 74 | 22,054
3 Nov 2021 #98
Which is very likely to happen at the next election, not least due to their poor fiscal management.
gumishu 13 | 6,140
3 Nov 2021 #99
.then the wise voters unelect the ruling party. See how simple democracy is?

the likes of jon don't believe that PiS will give up power in a democratic way - I do -

as an explanation I will give you the results of Polish municipal elections of 2014 when the PSL party scored 23 per cent of vote (when the exit polls gave it around 17 per cent of vote) - the election and counting of votes was marred with scandal and a couple of Election Committee memebers resigned) - this is why PiS was going to take measures against rigging of elections

also PiS doesn't look up or evern praise dictators - Recep Erdogan is a legally elected leader as is the Fidesz leader Viktor Orban
johnny reb 49 | 7,099
3 Nov 2021 #100
Shocking and likely to worsen under PiS' poor stewardship of the economy.

And yes, inflation is running high here,

Why do you keep projecting your propaganda that inflation in Poland is the PiS fault ?
Inflation is world wide, jon, is that PiS fault too.
gumishu 13 | 6,140
3 Nov 2021 #101
is that PiS fault too.

johhny reb - didn't you know that PiS is the dark power that rules the world behind the scenes - also by some weird twist of turns they manage to be puppets of Putin at the same time
Novichok 4 | 7,962
3 Nov 2021 #102
In the minds of mindless leftists, everything is the fault of PiS and other conservatives. And if you are a patriot...Oh my God! You are Hitler's evil twin!

also by some weird twist of turns they manage to be puppets of Putin

I see you and I are eating in the same kitchen...
jon357 74 | 22,054
3 Nov 2021 #103
PiS is the dark power

Not quite, however they do have laughably poor fiscal policy, have deliberately compromised the legal system and have turned TVP into a fake news source.

And yes, inflation is high here.

they manage to be puppets of Putin

Very much so.
Novichok 4 | 7,962
3 Nov 2021 #104
and have turned TVP into a fake news source.

...unlike the leftists and the BBC where every item is vetted and triple-checked or heads are rolling...
gumishu 13 | 6,140
3 Nov 2021 #105
however they do have laughably poor fiscal policy

the budget income in 2014 (PO+PSL regime) was 283,5 billion PLN - in 2019 (before the covid with PiS in power) the budget income was 400,5 billion PLN with inflation of about 5 per cent between the two dates - it means a growth of around 40 per cent (not counting in inflation)

in 2021 the budget income is predicted at 483 billion
jon357 74 | 22,054
3 Nov 2021 #106
with inflation of about 5 per cent between the two dates

And now it's nudging 7, with the price rises noticeable.
gumishu 13 | 6,140
3 Nov 2021 #107
And now it's nudging 7

inflation is estimated at 4.5 per cent in Germany for October 2021 and depending on the source 4.2 to 5.4 in the US
Novichok 4 | 7,962
3 Nov 2021 #108
And now it's nudging 7, with the price rises noticeable.

Good. Say thank you to all those who cheered lockdowns and printing "free money".
BTW, Poland is a democracy, and printing money to keep people happy for a moment is legal, isn't it?

in 2021 the budget income is predicted at 483 billion

Calling deficits "budgets" should be subject to the death penalty.
jon357 74 | 22,054
3 Nov 2021 #109
4.5 per cent in Germany for October 2021

As opposed to nudging 7% here.
gumishu 13 | 6,140
3 Nov 2021 #110
Calling deficits "budgets" should be subject to the death penalty.

virtually all years in the post-communism Poland included deficit (some years were just worse than other) - PiS had more budget income than they predicted in most years (bar 2020 covid slump)
Novichok 4 | 7,962
3 Nov 2021 #111
PiS had more budget income than they predicted in most years (bar 2020 covid slump)

Hey, man-child, did you read THAT?
jon357 74 | 22,054
3 Nov 2021 #112
bar 2020 covid slump)

And this is key.

And inflation is still high here and already having an effect on prices and consumer spending.
johnny reb 49 | 7,099
3 Nov 2021 #113
And inflation is still high here

World wide, jon. PiS has very little to do with it.

johhny reb - didn't you know that PiS is the dark power that rules the world behind the scenes -

Look guys, Ziemowit and I tried to tell you four or five years ago that hyper inflation was coming.
We told you to get your houses paid off and cut back on your greed's.
We even remarked that Poland would be feeling it the worst of any country in the E.U.
And that was when PO was in power.
And then in 2019......well read it for yourself. (Three good posts)

https://polishforums.com/news/poland-election-marathon-84446/32/#msg1694407

And I will use the echo chamber one more time.......
This hyperinflation has just started and only to get worse, a lot worse.
Just wait until you see your energy and food bills next year.
Doesn't matter who is in power.
So please keep your propaganda blame game out of Polish politics. (jon)
jon357 74 | 22,054
3 Nov 2021 #114
World wide, jon. PiS has

In Poland they do, and inflation is higher here than in the rgion.
johnny reb 49 | 7,099
3 Nov 2021 #115
No argument there as we already knew it would be.

We even remarked that Poland would be feeling it the worst of any country in the E.U.

Doesn't matter who is in power or did you miss that too ?

Doesn't matter who is in power.

jon357 74 | 22,054
3 Nov 2021 #116
No argument there as we already knew it would be.

Higher than in the rest of the region?
jon357 74 | 22,054
3 Nov 2021 #118
Nudging 7% here now, and people are feeling it in the shops.

We have some interesting (or more specifically nieciekawy) times ahead.
gumishu 13 | 6,140
3 Nov 2021 #119
Nudging 7%

inflation in Russia is forecast at 7.4 to 7.9 per cent at the end of 2021 - and main Russian basic interest rate is 7.5 per cent - the thing is in Poland people have long taken their savings from bank accounts and either spent the money or invested them somewhere else
Novichok 4 | 7,962
3 Nov 2021 #120
In Poland they do, and inflation is higher here than in the rgion.

It's because in a democracy the government does what people want. Under communism, things were a lot different.


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