Poland's Guy Fawkes

So the Polish fascist was a bit of an amateur. Remember, second-rate people can kill too.


None of those things are illegal. one cannot be arrested on suspicion of possessing them. The bullets and the four tonnes of fertiliser had a bit more to do with it.

I agree with you. The bullets and the four ton of fertilisers in the basement would be a clue.
Unfortunately - the pictures that are "the crushing proof" of his guilt does not include any of this.
All we can see is pictures of some cords, tactical vests (I own one), springs, old batteries, old mobile phones - this kind of stuff.

I mean - come on. I have got the same stuff in my basement. And a lot more.

It's hard to say that's positive - but then again, you haven't come under the police's radar as part of the investigation into Breivik's associates.

There isn't really any good reason to keep ammunition at home in a Polish town.

Agree again. Ammunition is suspicious and illegal in Poland.
And yet again - disagree. They show us no pictures of any ammunition. Just some lead balls. Something that an American would probably call a "bird shots". This is hardly an ammunition. Even by the standards of Polish restrictive law - this is just perfectly legal lead balls.

And a suspicious thing to find along with 4 tonnes of fertiliser at the home of a chemist who had shown up in the Breivik investigation. Suspicious in the extreme.

that is simply incorrect.

You see - this is one of the major problem with the media coverage of this case.
They did not found 4 tons of the fertiliser at his home. All they said is that he got an access to 4 tons of fertiliser.
And once more - the guy is a lecturer at the Agricultural University. Agricultural, you know... They research in the subject of farms, land production. And fertilisers.

All they found at his home and all that has been shown to the public is some usual stuff.

Maybe, though he seems to be a harmless nutter.


Why do you have a spare one?


You mean if somebody differs from you on those subjects must be twisted bitter and gathering explosives under his bed. If he also do not share your views of global order without religions and nations he must be terrorist or at least has potential to be one.

Are you really claiming all that?

They photographed the BBs (rounds of ammunition(sic)), but they failed to photograph 4,000 kg of explosives?

They arrested him on Nov. 9th and made a sensation on the 21st, in which ...they made an appeal to politicians not to reorganize WSI, I mean ABW?

Won't be surprised when they announce that he was inspired by Ted Kaczynski and arrest Jaroslaw Kaczynski and delegalize all opposition.

In other news that day, sign-ups in Wroclaw to see a specialist in a public health clinic are for 2020.
Poznan bought high-speed trains that in no way in hell can go at high-speed.
and...
Pawlak did not kiss Piechocinski, but kissed all other PSL stiffs(no joke).
Kasia W. arrested for two-weeks after she moved to another town and stopped making visits to the police station. She enjoyed her freedom although she admitted to murdering her infant child and dumping the body in the woods.

You have ammunition, a bulletproof vest and all the ingredients for a car bomb in your basement? And a lot more besides? Nice to see you have as much respect for the laws of your host country as you do for the people of it.


Harmless? The man had several fire-arms, a bullet-proof vest, all the ingredients for a four-tonne car-bomb and the knowledge and experience to make one. What would make him not 'harmless' in your eyes? A mini-nuke strapped to his forehead?


Oh dear, there you go again, lying about what I said. Nevermind. You are indeed twisted and bitter but I very much doubt that you are gathering the ingredients for a bomb under your bed.


What did you expect? That they'd provide photos of the sacks full of the stuff so that every nutter out there knows exactly which type of fertiliser to go out and buy?

Still, I suppose that you are the expert when it comes to wanting to murder Poles by bombing them.

I suppose your point is he is innocent until proven otherwise.

It's a fair point.

He didn't have these sacks - he - as is said - tried to buy them....

Now we have his "home", "basement", "garage", "several sites across Poland" and "tried to buy them".

Which one is it?

We are talking B.S.

:)

as my Agora's friend said - "tried to buy"...

/polands-guy-fawkes-attempts-to-blow-up-sejm/

Anyone know the full surname of Brunon K:?

Kwiecień

I liked this:

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So is this depiction accurate?
Found it on the interwebz.

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Not really. That's just some fool sniping at the EU.

And failing badly, since Norway isn't part of the EU

What's your personal hunch about Brunon K. All the evidence is not in or at least not publicised, and the shrinks haven't examined him as yet (as far as I know). So what is your gut feweling about what Brunon tick?:

1, Szaleniec - madman?
2. A 'two weeks of media glory' type ego-tripper/megalomaniac?
3. Sane but fanatically committed to his ideology?
4. Some of all of the above?
5. Something else?
NOTE: Breivik, whom Brunon admired and tried to emulate or even outdo, was pronounced sane.

"Sane" is sometimes a relevant term, my hunch is that he got involved with the Ruch Narodowy and took their antidemocratic, xenophobic views one step further.


You can't convict an insane person to 21 years in prison.
We are still very much in the dark about mental illness'.
Breivik painstakingly planned out his military style attack with full premeditation and execution..
It's difficult to prove that that loony is without some organisational skills but that don't make the guy any less of a fruit-loop in my understanding if things.


Given that the cartoon has no weblink on the tab, either the poster just really likes it and has it on his laptop and is therefore willing to defend it despite your obviously correct analyses of it or he is the creator and the same applies.

If Breivik had been ruled mentalily incompetent, they would have sent him to the looney bin. But if subsequent psychiartic tests showed he had recovered, he would probably be out such sooner than in 21 years.

However, a truly committed fanatic would not allow his pet ideology to be labelled insane.

Rather off-topic.

What't the latest on this nut? Is he still being held?

This has all been blown up...sorry, blown out of proportions. The agency which undercovered this "terrorist plot" was under government's scrunity and very likely to loose funds and competences so they had to do something to show how good job they were doing and how much they were needed. Probably it was right to stop this man from playing with explosives, but acting as if they found and destroyed an Al-Quaida cell in Poland is just ridiculous. This "terrorist" atack is just now a laughing point in Poland, apart from politicians, who pretend it was all serious.

The real danger are of course that politicians who would want to use this situation to curb freedom - "terrists", give me a break.

There might be a good reason for that.