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Gazeta Wyborcza of Poland losing readers


jon357 63 | 14,124
18 Jul 2013  #181
Evidently you find the truth hard to swallow.
1jola 14 | 1,879
18 Jul 2013  #182
You also have no clue then about our press.

The only truth in all of this is that people are turning away from Gazeta Wyborcza.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
18 Jul 2013  #183
Rz is definitely a PIS mouthpiece

Whose mouthpiece is GW aside form representing the interests of the post-KOR-ite clique?
Peter-KRK
19 Jul 2013  #184
According to Polczyt in 12.2012 - 01.2013 we have:
Fakt - 11,46%
Gazeta Wyborcza - 11,33%
Super Express - 5,31%
Metro - 4,42%
Przegląd Sportowy - 3,10%
Rzeczpospolita - 2,98%
etc.
It is not so bad then, but I would not miss for GW. It was a great newspaper for a long time with distinct democratic, enlightenment and civilization mission, but 10 y ago they decided to be a tabloid. Trivial news, stupid titles, mistakes, predictability, kitchen sensations, misrepresentations, etc. turns it down barely to any internet portal.
sobieski 107 | 2,128
19 Jul 2013  #185
You also have no clue then about our press.

You mean Nasz Dziennik and Gazeta Polska of course.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
19 Jul 2013  #186
GW

Anyone interested, check into how GW emerged, how it got hijacked by the KOR-ites and how Wałęsa banned them using the Solidarność logo. What was to have been the organ of the Solidarność opposition movment got turned into a big corproation owned and operated by you know who's compatriots.
jon357 63 | 14,124
19 Jul 2013  #187
compatriots.

Who would they be?
Harry
19 Jul 2013  #188
Polonius3: compatriots.

Who would they be?

People who didn't want to employ a talentless American hack who had spent the last couple of decades collaborating with the commie regime?
Varsovian 92 | 634
19 Jul 2013  #189
Michnik is NOT American! Honestly ...
Harry
19 Jul 2013  #190
Other things that Michnik is not include not being willing to employ a talentless American hack who collaborated with the commies for decades.
jon357 63 | 14,124
19 Jul 2013  #191
Michnik is NOT American! Honestly ...

No. He is a Pole.
sobieski 107 | 2,128
19 Jul 2013  #192
by you know who's compatriots.

I think he once wrote they were Albanians.

Whose mouthpiece is GW aside form representing the interests of the post-KOR-ite clique?

Grand Masonic Master Bernardone

perhaps ?
delphiandomine 83 | 17,648
19 Jul 2013  #193
You mean Nasz Dziennik and Gazeta Polska of course.

The growing feud between Rydzyk and the people behind Gazeta Polska/TV Republika et al is quite interesting ;)

Anyone interested, check into how GW emerged

We know the history. We know that Gazeta Wyborcza emerged as the voice of the intellectuals within Solidarność, and we know how those intellectuals rejected the worker concept of a socialist Poland.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
19 Jul 2013  #194
We know that Gazeta Wyborcza emerged as the voice of the intellectuals within Solidarność

...and how the KOR-ties turned it into a major geszeft making money not for the Solidarity opposition as originally intended but, without Wałęsa's or Solidarity's knowledge or approval, into a goldsmine serving that gang of Szechter compatriots known as Agora.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,648
19 Jul 2013  #195
Except Solidarity at that time weren't in opposition, but were rather leading the Government.

You're drastically over-simplifying (on purpose) the whole situation at the time. Gazeta Wyborcza was just one wing of Solidarity among many others - and you know fine well that Solidarity was suffering from bitter infighting almost as soon as they took control of the Government. I see you also fail to mention how Solidarity (which, as a trade union, had swung very hard to the left economically) was fighting with even Walesa before the 1991 election.

Trying to say that Gazeta Wyborcza was "stolen" or other such nonsense is factually incorrect. You could easily say that Krzaklewski stole Solidarity from Walesa, too.

Still, at least Gazeta Wyborcza is owned by a publicly traded organisation with public accounts, rather than a shady foundation with closed books or a shady company with dubious South American backers.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
19 Jul 2013  #196
Trying to say that Gazeta Wyborcza was "stolen"

It is very appropriate and true. After the Szechter ganf got into tjre Sejm on the coat-tails of the working class, the mood in their midst was roughly: Wałęsa has done his thing and can now return to Gdańsk while we run the show. Well, Wałęsa dressed them down at a meeting where he sternly lectured them and then withdrew Gazette's right to use the Solidairty logo. By then, the gezseft of Szechter & Co. had been firmly established. Indeed, throughout the entire 16-month Solidarity period before Jabberwocky's bloody crackdown there had been friction between the Prawdziwi Polacy and the korowcy.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,648
19 Jul 2013  #197
It is very appropriate and true.

No, it isn't. You're deliberately trying to portray Michnik in a bad light while forgetting that Walesa was fighting with many others within Solidarity at the same time. There was no 'right' and 'wrong' during that time - they were completely unprepared to operate as a political party and the bitter infighting reflects that.

After the Szechter ganf

Who is Szechter? Why do you keep using such a name when no-one with that name was involved with Gazeta Wyborcza?

on the coat-tails of the working class

Working class? An interesting distortion, but the reality was that Solidarity were elected by a broad section of society. In fact, Solidarity were most concerned about the possibility of the badly educated working classes voting for the Communists, which says something.

the mood in their midst was roughly: Wałęsa has done his thing and can now return to Gdańsk while we run the show.

No, the mood was that Solidarity couldn't work as a political party because what had united them now divided them. The communists were psychologically destroyed as a party once they were removed from the Government - it was obvious that the game was over for them. But we all know the story - Solidarity broke into so many factions that it was impossible for anyone to maintain order. Certainly Walesa wasn't fit to deal with the responsibility of running Solidarity - his behaviour, even in 1980/1981 was of a man that preferred to isolate himself rather than keeping order. He had interesting parallels with Izetbegovic of Bosnia in this way.

You may also care to note that some of the people most interested in the rights of workers also broke away from Walesa.

Wałęsa dressed them down at a meeting where he sternly lectured them and then withdrew Gazette's right to use the Solidairty logo.

Yes, because Gazeta Wyborcza supported Prime Minister Mazowiecki rather than Chairman Walesa. All part of the bitter infighting that took place at the time.

By then, the gezseft of Szechter & Co. had been firmly established.

Who is Szechter and why do you keep referring to that person?

Indeed, throughout the entire 16-month Solidarity period before Jabberwocky's bloody crackdown there had been friction between the Prawdziwi Polacy and the korowcy.

There was friction because the whole nature of Solidarity was that it was very decentralised. Then there was the fact that Solidarity was very much an uneasy alliance between workers and intellectuals - both needed each other to win.

By the way, it's Jaruzelski, not "Jabberwocky" or any other such names. I'm sure you never wrote Jabberwocky or even mentioned it before 1991, eh?
sobieski 107 | 2,128
20 Jul 2013  #198
Who is Szechter and why do you keep referring to that person?

Delph, he wants to all costs "prove" that GW is a branch of the Jerusalem Post. That is why he is mixing (pseudo) Jewish (ah sorry, he once mentioned Albanians were leading GW) words in his postings.
pam
20 Jul 2013  #199
Who is Szechter?

Michnik's Father?
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
20 Jul 2013  #200
cold lech

Lower case for a proper name is a spelling mistake in English, whether it refers to a beer brand or the Greatest President Free Poland has ever had.
Peter-KRK
20 Jul 2013  #201
hijacked by the KOR-ites and how Wałęsa banned them using the Solidarność logo

It is not so komics-like story.
In 80-89' the followers of Polish independency had to play (or take part in) "Solidarity Trade Union" while followers of Russian domination (or just Russian representants) played "Communist Party". We all perfectly knew it.

But this hide and seek play had to finish after 1989 when Solidarity started to divide and ramify to dozens of groups and trends depriving Wałęsa his domain. After Wałęsa liberated himself from Geremek/Mazowiecki influences (and before he dropped under his own driver Influences - I don't remember the name) he had a short romance with Kaczyński and candidated for president. They unlished "the war on the top" (which ment a fratricidal war) and Wałęsa banned GW using the Solidarność logo 10 days before he declared his presidential candidacy. The campaign was obviously dirty, full of designations such as grandfather from the Wermaht, Jewish roots, etc. Like in family.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,648
20 Jul 2013  #202
Delph, he wants to all costs "prove" that GW is a branch of the Jerusalem Post. That is why he is mixing (pseudo) Jewish (ah sorry, he once mentioned Albanians were leading GW) words in his postings.

I wonder why he won't tell us who this mysterious "Szechter" is.

Another person invented, perhaps?
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
20 Jul 2013  #203
who this mysterious "Szechter" is

Maybe Bernardone's father?! Could be they're setting up a masonic lodge.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,648
20 Jul 2013  #204
You've been mentioning him throughout this thread, so why not tell us who you are referring to?
Harry
20 Jul 2013  #205
Yes Polo, I'm sure that's what you mean.

Now, who is this "Szechter" you keep talking about? Might he be one of the people who refuses to employ American hacks who spent decades collaborating? Could he have been one of the people who was locked up for opposing the commie regime while other people didn't even have their work permit withdrawn?
Zibi - | 336
20 Jul 2013  #206
Like in family.

Either you drank too much or your memory is short or you are too young to remember.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
20 Jul 2013  #207
Geremek/Mazowiecki

One musn't forget that the KOR-ites and Catho-lefitsts (Katolewica -- Mazowiecki, Wielowieyski, etc.) served the Solidarity movement only as advisers who helped draw up documents and things. After the 1989 election they tried to talke over. Luckily the Polish people swept the Unia Wolności (their stronghold) out of parliament. The bad news is that the post-commies came to power a second time.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,648
20 Jul 2013  #208
One musn't forget that the KOR-ites and Catho-lefitsts (Katolewica -- Mazowiecki, Wielowieyski, etc.)

Interesting that you're insulting Mazowiecki, a man who is widely considered to be one of the leading Catholic intellectuals in Europe alive today. Could it be because Mazowiecki was instrumental in removing the Communists from the Government?

served the Solidarity movement only as advisers who helped draw up documents and things.

If they were "only" advisers, why did Mazowiecki find himself interned?

After the 1989 election they tried to talke over.

Could you explain how Mazowiecki "attempted" to take over?

Luckily the Polish people swept the Unia Wolności (their stronghold) out of parliament.

Odd. I could have sworn that the Unia Wolnosci played a prominent part of public life for quite a while after 1989.

The bad news is that the post-commies came to power a second time.

You seem rather confused with your political ideology lately Polo. Then again, your hatred towards Mazowiecki is entirely understandable.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
20 Jul 2013  #209
leading Catholic intellectuals

Read up on this leading Catholic intellectual who collabroated with pre-war Falangists-(extreme right wing)-turned-Stalinists.
hej-kto-polak.pl/wp/?p=15405

Mazowiecki and Wielowieyski were rerportedly sent by the regime to the Vatican to sntich on Cardinal Wyszyński -- a thorn in the side of Poland's Soviet-controlled puppets.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,648
20 Jul 2013  #210
Reportedly, by who?

Who said such things? Or are you just making it up as per usual?


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