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Gazeta Wyborcza of Poland losing readers


Ksysia 25 | 430
6 Jan 2011  #61
Who is spreading "hate speech" against Poland?

GW is spreading hate, general disdain and contempt for anything local. it stems out of their concentrating on whatever is 'modern, international, progressive', and results in calling half the nation 'mohair berets'
pgtx 29 | 3,159
6 Jan 2011  #62
Gazeta Wyborcza lost 5% of their readers

shocker... maybe it's because the 5% got the internet access... out of middle ages people... hehe...
delphiandomine 83 | 17,651
6 Jan 2011  #63
GW is spreading hate, general disdain and contempt for anything local. it stems out of their concentrating on whatever is 'modern, international, progressive', and results in calling half the nation 'mohair berets'

Contempt for anything local? Last time I checked, Agora owned several local newspapers and had quite a significant local news section in Gazeta Wyborcza (producing local editions) and gazeta.pl. I don't remember Gazeta Polska or the ilk doing that.

Incidentally, "modern, international, progressive" is far better than "local, stuck in the past, paranoid".

And calling half the nation "mohair berets" is perfectly acceptable when you see and hear the racist idiots that wear such things. Given the things said about Gazeta Wyborcza, why are you trying to deny them the right to call people as they see fit?

Ah, I forget - one rule for one's friends, another rule for everyone else. Just like the Communists did!

Don't forget, many of the berety would quite like Communism back.
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,444
7 Jan 2011  #64
GW is spreading hate, general disdain and contempt for anything local. it stems out of their concentrating on whatever is 'modern, international, progressive', and results in calling half the nation 'mohair berets'

much less then you spread hate against your host country- the UK in your blog.

Back on topic.

GW is one of the best papers in Poland.
Ironside 48 | 9,748
7 Jan 2011  #65
much less then you spread hate against your host country- the UK in your blog.

You are really silly, you know that?
Bzibzioh
7 Jan 2011  #66
GW is one of the best papers in Poland.

Of course it is. And who disagree must be either intolerant, xenophobic, homophobic, islamophobic, anti-Semite, racist, or bigoted. By definition, opposition to GW or their Utopian plans is only because of some primitive character defect and never because of any substance. Isn't that right, dear?
jonni 16 | 2,485
7 Jan 2011  #67
And who disagree must be....

Or just upierdliwy. Though ignoring sarcasm (which you don't really get right anyway), your post more or less sums it up.
Bzibzioh
7 Jan 2011  #68
Jonni: the perennial keeper of the flame of liberal orthodoxy on PF

I wouldn't even insult my dog by paper training him on that rag.
jonni 16 | 2,485
7 Jan 2011  #69
I wouldn't even insult my dog by paper training him on that rag.

As transatlantic import, I wouldn't think you would want to spend the cover price. The Weekly World News and National Enquirer are cheaper in North America, and I suspect you'd prefer them.
Bzibzioh
7 Jan 2011  #70
Going to personal insults already? so soon ?

*Royal flush*
jonni 16 | 2,485
7 Jan 2011  #71
Going to personal insults already? so soon ?

What insults are those? You don't like one, and now you don't like the other.

*Royal flush*

Better if you don't leep on making allusions to what other posters refer to as your hairy axe wound - I'm ill in bed at the moment and nearly just had a relapse.
Bzibzioh
7 Jan 2011  #72
What insults are those? You don't like one, and now you don't like the other.

It's sad how fast those progressive boys are running out of arguments and starting hurling generic cafeteria insults. If belittling my womanhood is the only weapon you have - you are just pathetic. Not to mention sexist.
jonni 16 | 2,485
7 Jan 2011  #73
It's sad how fast those progressive boys are running out of arguments

We really don't know what argument you're trying to make - except that you don't like a particular newspapers and don't like some others either.

hurling generic cafeteria insults

This from you!!?!

If belittling my womanhood is the only weapon you have - you are just pathetic. Not to mention sexist.

Your "womanhood" is something I can live my without ever thinking about. Sexist? Why you liberal you! You'll be standing up for a secular society next. Watch out for the Christians though - they can really be sexist.

But I'm sure your heart's in the right place.
Bzibzioh
7 Jan 2011  #74
We really don't know what argument you're trying to make

It's not that complicated: GW is not even close to be the best newspaper in Poland. And your comprehension skills still suck.

Ahh the open-minded liberal...just don't disagree with 'em and we can all get along.

You wasted enough of my time today. Go and play by yourself now, little boy.
jonni 16 | 2,485
7 Jan 2011  #75
It's not that complicated: GW is not even close to be the best newspaper in Poland

Hmm - shame you couldn't back it up with anything. Other than the usual Bzibzioh insults.I take back my last comment about your heart.

Ahh the open-minded liberal...just don't disagree with 'em and we can all get along.

I doubt from the tone of your posts that you're good at getting along.

You wasted enough of my time today. Go and play by yourself now, little boy.

Now, now, young lady. Run along home, do some housework, prepare a tasty, economical and wholesome meal for your husband (remember you are almost the manageress of the home) - and don't forget to try and look presentable should he wish to axercise his rights. After all, you like conservative values and despise modern enlightened liberalism.

Or maybe you just choose the bits you like and argue incessantly about the rest. Naughty girl.
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,444
7 Jan 2011  #76
Of course it is.

how would you know if your reading comprehension is close to zero?;P

And who disagree must be either intolerant, xenophobic, homophobic, islamophobic, anti-Semite, racist, or bigoted.

I have never said that, or have I ? It should be: disagrees;P

By definition, opposition to GW or their Utopian plans is only because of some primitive character defect and never because of any substance.

what definition, whose definition? There is no definition.

Isn't that right, dear?

I don't know and I am not your dear.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,651
7 Jan 2011  #77
It's not that complicated: GW is not even close to be the best newspaper in Poland.

And how often do you read real Polish newspapers, hmm?

I don't count "POLACK TODAY" as being Polish.
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,444
7 Jan 2011  #78
I don't count "POLACK TODAY" as being Polish.

that actually made me chuckle, but you have no real point since she can read it online these days (GW of course).

The quality of immigration Canadian press has a LOT to desire and I would not touch it with a 10 foot Pole.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,651
7 Jan 2011  #79
that actually made me chuckle, but you have no real point since she can read it online these days (GW of course).

Well, she certainly must read it a lot, to have such knowledge about it :)

(actually, a lot of these Gazeta Wyborcza readers must be their most avid readers, when you think about it...)
alexw68
7 Jan 2011  #80
Either way, the question remains open - where exactly does GW demonstrate a premeditated contempt for its countrymen? Metropolitan smugness hardly counts, being as it is the exclusive copyright of all large-circulation newspapers these days (UK is a shining example of this).

Go on, Bzi, humour us (or me, anyway - you have the word of a gentleman that any response might be robust, but it won't be personal :) )
delphiandomine 83 | 17,651
7 Jan 2011  #81
where exactly does GW demonstrate a premeditated contempt for its countrymen?

It's the usual GW-hater complex - anything that suggests that Poland has been wrong is somehow "unpatriotic". Of course, the so-called patriots are often doing the least patriotic things, such as refusing to accept the authority of the President.
alexw68
7 Jan 2011  #82
Figured it must be something like that - but was hoping the GW opposition might have its own arguments.
Torq 26 | 2,371
7 Jan 2011  #83
Well, if you really read "Michnikowszczyzna", Alex, then I guess you know some of the arguments.

As for the thread, I am still patiently waiting for any of the "I hate Nasz Dziennik" muppets,
who constantly spout nonsense about nazi "Julius Streicher's Nasz Dziennik", idiot ND
readers who "move their lips while reading" and so on, to provide a link to a single article
in "Nasz Dziennik" that would prove Rydzyk's newspaper's "nazism", "fascism", "anti-semitism"
or what not.

So far, since my post on January 5th at 21:09 CET, the entire Muppet Show wasn't able to
come up with a single link. Surprise, surprise.
alexw68
7 Jan 2011  #84
Well, if you really read "Michnikowszczyzna", Alex, then I guess you know some of the arguments.

Of course, but the central pleas of Ziemkiewicz's book are:

1) Michnik has consistently resisted full disclosure of SB files, ostensibly in a spirit of national reconciliation. This sits oddly with his oppositionist public image.
2) However, he had been a doctrinaire left intellectual before siding with the Solidarity movement.
3) This and his relatively laid back incarceration during the 80s point to a somewhat ambiguous relationship with the ZSPR.

None of these issues feature in this thread. What I want to know is (as you do for ND) - where's the 'hate spreading' that people are alleging? That's a whole other matter.
pgtx 29 | 3,159
7 Jan 2011  #85
I am still patiently waiting for any of the "I hate Nasz Dziennik" muppets

people read what they want... everybody cannot read just one newspaper... it's healthy to know what's going on here and there...
i guess, for some people even reading a newspaper is a reason for namecallings... keep up this "awesome" attitude, people... :(
Torq 26 | 2,371
7 Jan 2011  #86
where's the 'hate spreading' that people are alleging?

That's a question for those who claim that "GW" is spreading hate speach. I never said that.

I only expressed my satisfaction of the fact that the newspaper, which readers show constant
contempt for us - simple folks, is experiencing a decrease in sales.

If you want to find the examples of the abovementioned contempt, then I suggest you
re-read this thread (especially the posts of GW readers that I quoted.)
alexw68
7 Jan 2011  #87
That's a question for those who claim that "GW" is spreading hate speach. I never said that.

Sorry, that part of the post wasn't meant to be directed at you.

GW is spreading hate, general disdain and contempt for anything local. it stems out of their concentrating on whatever is 'modern, international, progressive', and results in calling half the nation 'mohair berets'

It's the substantiation of this that I was after. If the sketch/opinion section of a newspaper can't be just a little facetious from time to time (that's the 'Metropolitan smugness' I referred to in an earlier post) then its intellectual health and vitality are simply doomed. And the phrase moherowe berety is little more than that. Hate and disdain? Hardly.

Ksysia, Bzibzioh - over to you...
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,444
7 Jan 2011  #88
And the phrase moherowe berety is little more than that. Hate and disdain? Hardly.

it was an observation, perhaps a simplification of a certain attitude. Berety is a their trade mark. What worries me is the fact that the owners of moherowe berety group was lately joined by another group whose trademark is not the beret, but the nasty attitude , plus the lack of ability to negotiate anything. It is a group of people who have some ambition,but no tools to negotiate, with no ability to see ahead and most of all without the ability to accept the reality.
OP ender 5 | 398
7 Jan 2011  #89
I don't count "POLACK TODAY" as being Polish.

I'm sure you are familiar with name 'Kosher Zeitung' second in popularity contest just after 'The Rug'.

where exactly does GW demonstrate a premeditated

There is easy answer for such a question in Poland and it's 'w dupie'. You had so a lot of responses for your question but you you keep asking in hope some actually believe you.
Ironside 48 | 9,748
7 Jan 2011  #90
and most of all without the ability to accept the reality.

what reality>?


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