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Failures of Poland and Tusk`s government


gumishu 12 | 6,103
24 Dec 2012 #91
It is mindboggling that the prime minister of a country can act in a manner so contrary to its national interests.

Tusk wants to become a new European Commission president after Barroso. It is his personal ambition as well as a way to stop any possible judicial action againts himself in Poland after people eventually decide to get rid of him. He won't become a new EC president without the blessing from Germany and France. Go figure.

In 2014 years becomes vacant the Chair of the European Commission . EPL would put Donald Tusk as a candidate for the position.

Christian Democratic European People's Party ( EPP ) is considering issuance of Donald Tusk as their leading candidate in next year's elections to the European Parliament - wrote in the latest issue of the German magazine " Der Spiegel " .

Ironside 51 | 11,338
24 Dec 2012 #92
It is mindboggling that the prime minister of a country can act in a manner so contrary to its national interests

Yes it is.
Yet as long as people are being fed distorted information there is no chance to vote that persona and his cronies from power.

Plenty, it is enough to follow Polish politics regularly.

You are a clown and you know it.
OP pawian 195 | 19,915
24 Dec 2012 #93
You are a clown and you know it.

I am and I do, but at least I am sane, contrary to you! :):):):)
kcharlie 2 | 165
24 Dec 2012 #94
Plenty, it is enough to follow Polish politics regularly.

Let's say that were true. Claiming the opposition is worse does not exonerate the party in power. That's like saying, "Just because Jeffery Dahmer killed and raped lots of men, he should be set free and let off the hook simply because there's another guy who I say would have done even worse things if he were in Jeffery's shoes."

Such claims do not exonerate Tusk's government from betraying their electorate by doing the exact opposite of what they pledged they were going to do. That's by far the most glaring failure of the Tusk government - they failed to do what they were elected to do.
gumishu 12 | 6,103
24 Dec 2012 #95
Guys, be reasonable. Poland will never reach Greek levels of debt.

In 1980, the debt accounted for 9.8% of national income and interest repayments of 2-3%. Currently, debt accounts for about 40% of GDP

According to Marek Belka, Gierek debt in 1980 accounted for 200% GDP of that time. Polish debt today is the fifth of the current GDP, so there is nothing to worry about. The conclusion that follows from the considerations Belka is at least shocking: GDP in 2010 is twenty times higher than in 1980. Why are you so worried: complete luxury. The rest of the so-called. bank economists participating in the discussion in "Gazeta Wyborcza" are not so very optimistic, but all in all they also suggest not to mind the current Polish debt. But how it really looks like the current debt?

przeglad-tygodnik.pl/pl/artykul/dlug-tuska-dlug-gierka
OP pawian 195 | 19,915
24 Dec 2012 #96
Such claims do not exonerate Tusk's government from betraying their electorate by doing the exact opposite of what they pledged they were going to do. That's by far the most glaring failure of the Tusk government - they failed to do what they were elected to do.

The fact that Tusk didn`t fulfill his promises doesn`t exonerate you from thinking.

Do you have the slightest idea why he didn`t?

przeglad-tygodnik

Funny that you use a leftist site as an argument. Do you read them often? :):):)
gumishu 12 | 6,103
24 Dec 2012 #97
Funny that you use a leftist site as an argument. Do you read them often? :):):)

i was doing a research and found it - Gierek's debts have at least been invested in factories that we have sold for bilions of dollars

niezalezna.pl/33486-kto-splaci-dlugi-tuska

tusk government has been indebting Poland almost 100 bilion PLN a year - who is going to stop this trend and what cost will be involved ?
kcharlie 2 | 165
24 Dec 2012 #98
Do you have the slightest idea why he didn`t?

No. Enlighten me.

Funny that you use a leftist site as an argument. Do you read them often? :):):)

So what if it's a leftist site? Even if it were a revolutionary communist site, it doesn't necessarily mean they're lying about something or wrong about a particular matter.

Anyone can distort facts to suit their own ends, left, right and centre.
gumishu 12 | 6,103
24 Dec 2012 #99
pawian:
Do you have the slightest idea why he didn`t?

No. Enlighten me.

because Kaczyński won't let him hahaha :) bad bad bad Kaczyński - Kaczyński is an evil dwarf that ****** into milk
OP pawian 195 | 19,915
24 Dec 2012 #100
i was doing a research and found it - Gierek's debts have at least been invested in factories that we have sold for bilions of dollars

Sorry, you haven`t done enough research - you are searching for any sites at random, finding the ones which actually contradict what you are saying!!! E.g. the site you have just shown us contains this sentence:

Only 20% of loaned money was used on investment and new technologies in industry. About 65% was spent on materials and resources.

Better be careful next time!! :):):):)
gumishu 12 | 6,103
24 Dec 2012 #101
the Przegląd article states that :

Długi Gierka w 80% przeznaczone zostały na sfinansowanie inwestycji; w latach 70. wybudowano około 570 nowych fabryk. Tylko do roku 2003 dochody z ich prywatyzacji wyniosły (zgodnie z oficjalnymi danymi) 40 mld dol., czyli dwukrotnie przewyższyły wielkość zadłużenia w 1980 r.

Gierek's debts where in 80 per cent spent on financing investment. 570 factories were built. Privatisation revenues from these factories till 2003 summed up to 40 billion dolars, so they were 2 times bigger then the Gierek's debt
OP pawian 195 | 19,915
24 Dec 2012 #102
No. Enlighten me.

It is very easy explanation: in both recent elections Tusk`s party didn`t win the majority. They had to form a coalition which has a very narrow majority of a few votes.

So what if it's a leftist site? Even if it were a revolutionary communist site, it doesn't necessarily mean they're lying about something or wrong about a particular matter.
Anyone can distort facts to suit their own ends, left, right and centre.

Of course, you are right.

I was laughing at gumishu who finally revealed his true leftist agenda, which is somewhat surprising. :):):):)
gumishu 12 | 6,103
24 Dec 2012 #103
I was laughing at gumishu who finally revealed his true leftist agenda, which is somewhat surprising. :):):):)

what leftist agenda - if leftists say that Tusk is Poland a disfavour indebting it are they wrong because they are leftists??
Cali - | 56
24 Dec 2012 #104
Tusk within a few years managed to brainwash Poles more than communists over the decades

That's the prob w/ Polish: there's always someone who wants to stiff you! Tusk brainwashed Poland? For Pete's sake how? It's an open country and anyone w/ some smarts can read here and there and see the whole pic. If Brzez says that PIS is a whole bunch of paranoid morons, it tells ya about the opposition party. They've got nuthing, I mean nuthing, to offer but b..tch n moan about the current go'vt. Period! They have no econ plan whatsoever, only talking about commies here and there. It's old and tiring, bro!
gumishu 12 | 6,103
25 Dec 2012 #105
once more about the debt - Tusk managed to create 400 billion PLN of debt this is 10 000 zloty per each citizen more or less including the infants and the elderly an average Polish family owes thus 40 000 because of Tusk debts thats quite a lot I;d say
Cali - | 56
25 Dec 2012 #106
Polish family owes thus 40 000 because of Tusk debts thats quite a lot

You are right, gum, but again the US has a huge deficit and there's still a market for their TBs - as I was checking lately, there was a pretty good demand for Polish paper too. Plus Polish gov't still owns lots of good brand name properties (eg, LOTO) and they can get rid of it. Again, I wouldn't worry that much about the deficit but I'd be more concerned about corruption, ineptness (both political n economic, say, not running trains, freeways being not finished or a stupid bidding process, remember the Chinese?); PIS demagogues (let's face it they're are morons, as Brzez said, no programs, only marching n screaming "hang' em high"). C'mon, bro!
gumishu 12 | 6,103
25 Dec 2012 #107
no programs, only marching n screaming "hang' em high"

you are very wrong my friend
Cali - | 56
25 Dec 2012 #108
So enlighten me gum! Show me whatchya got, bro! Yo'l sound like one of the those PIS..d guys! Sorry, pal
gumishu 12 | 6,103
25 Dec 2012 #109
I would but you don't understand Polish and I'm too lazy to explain things in English
kcharlie 2 | 165
25 Dec 2012 #110
Now, now. The PiS guys have a point in criticising the ruling coalition for political naiveté; altruism on the international scene is not how things work, and if you bend over, you're gonna get f*cked.

But what PiS have failed to realise, and what many have pointed out before, is that you can't burn bridges with your neighbours, Russia and Germany because then you are also gonna get f*cked.
Cali - | 56
25 Dec 2012 #111
you can't burn bridges with your neighbours, Russia and Germany

Good point!
Ironside 51 | 11,338
25 Dec 2012 #112
, is that you can't burn bridges with your neighbours, Russia and Germany because then you are also gonna get f*cked.

Well if we stay in the realm of metaphors; What if they are ******* you already and you tell them to stop - is it till burning the brides?
kcharlie 2 | 165
25 Dec 2012 #113
What if they are ******* you already and you tell them to stop - is it till burning the brides?

:D

ROFL. Brilliant.
gumishu 12 | 6,103
26 Dec 2012 #114
next failure of Tusk government which was originally trumpeted as a succes - the European patent

here listed as a success of Polish presidency:

[i]Poland passed the examination of the administration of the European Union. For half a year , however, hard to find groundbreaking decision. Until our leadership tarnish the debt crisis in the euro zone . " DGP " stock of the successes and failures of Tusk during the Polish presidency of the EU .

It was a good Presidency - these are the comments after yesterday's debate in the European Parliament dedicated to the Polish Presidency in the EU. Also yesterday , Prime Minister Donald Tusk summed up in Strasbourg achievements of the passing half.[/i

]
now the government tries to withdraw from the idea in panic:

kluwerpatentblog.com/2012/03/20/european-unitary-patent-poland-to-follow-spain-and-italy/

this case shows how the PO government is a PR blowfish

another quite telling article on the unitary european patent:

I really thought that the team Prime Minister of Poland Donald Tusk is no longer able to surprise me with anything and it turns out that in this matter, I have sinned arrogance , and who knows , if not pride . I'm getting those bitter pangs in the context of the so-called law . single European patent which our honest leader the other day promoted as a success of the Polish Presidency . But today, with tail tucked and panic in the eyes of attempts to withdraw from it .

One can of course say that this is not news , it is once again trying to veto Tusk own " success " , as it was even in the case of the climate package. Yes, after five years of experience , I realize that the state Tusk solves problems , which itself previously created , and according to this criterion also resembles the communist regime so that it is defined by the late Stefan Kisielewski .

OP pawian 195 | 19,915
26 Dec 2012 #115
next failure of Tusk government which was originally trumpeted as a succes - the European patent
here listed as a success of Polish presidency

Hey, don`t be so fast with trumpeting the failure. Nothing has been decided yet.
Here is a final sentence from your second quote:

the Polish government may, in the future, withdraw its support for the concept of a European unitary patent system, just as it did with the ACTA-Agreement in response to massive public demonstrations. Many scholars, economists, patent practitioners and – above all – patent attorneys, are trying to convince the Polish government that the proposed regulations which were negotiated during the Polish Presidency would have a negative impact on Polish industry and hinder the development of Poland’s economy as a whole.

Do you really need to catch at such straws??? :):):)
gumishu 12 | 6,103
26 Dec 2012 #116
the Polish government may, in the future, withdraw its support for the concept of a European unitary patent system, just as it did with the ACTA-Agreement in response to massive public demonstrations.

the new minister of economy Janusz Piechociński stated clearly that Poland is not ready for the European patent

Piechociński pointed out that the single European patent raises a lot of controversy and in his opinion, is causing the conflict of interest. - Between what is characteristic of the modern and innovative economies and the Polish reality there is a big difference. In this situation, at the stage of parliamentary work there may be concerns about the decision to adopt a single EU patent - he said.

He added that these doubts will not apply only to caucuses, but also the coalition. - I hope that this document will not find political acceptance in parliamentary work. This does not mean, however, that the problem does not exist - he stressed.

m.forbes/piechocinski-parlament-odrzuci-jednolity-patent,artykuly,136085,1,1.html
Cali - | 56
26 Dec 2012 #117
Hey Gum,

All this stuff is in Polish and probably sensational! Again, the bottom line: you need PIS..ed-offs and that Gay Party (whatever the Polish name) to keep an eye on the current gov't. And then if you don't like the regime go and vote it out! But don't bi..tch n moan n use skinheads to advance your political agenda, thus making Poland look stupid!
kcharlie 2 | 165
26 Dec 2012 #118
you need PIS..ed-offs and that Gay Party (whatever the Polish name)

ROFL. The Gay Party. You mean the Pink Dildo Party, right? Ruch Palikota.

Yeah, I don't think Poland actually needs them. It's got enough clowns in politics as it is. They contribute and represent nothing positive and are offensive and unworthy of the airtime they get. Poland needs them just about as much as it needs another World War/Nazi/Communist invasion.
gumishu 12 | 6,103
26 Dec 2012 #119
They contribute and represent nothing positive and are offensive and unworthy of the airtime they get

Palikot is a media creation - they created the party and are trying to make him the successor of Tusk once the PO name and policies wear out
kcharlie 2 | 165
26 Dec 2012 #120
Either that or it's more of a strategic game, where Palikot's extreme radicalism is used to make other radical policies seem sensible.

Let's have a (ridiculous) hypothetical scenario.

Palikot: "Poland is infringing on children's human rights by not permitting prn being broadcast on children's channels."

Other party: "We're not crazy like Palikot. We won't broadcast púrn on children's channels aimed at under 4s, and children above the age of 4 will only have access to púrn after 4pm."

We'll see how that works out. If they actually get into power, I suggest Poland's experiment with democracy has been a failure and it should declare itself a communist vassal state once more for its own good.


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