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Should Poland exit the EU immediately?


Crow 139 | 8,609
20 Sep 2015 #151
i am wise but, not that wise to understand every aspect of it. You tell me
bunensis
20 Sep 2015 #152
'i am wise but, not that wise to understand every aspect of it. You tell me'

Crow

In other words you have no idea what you are saying .
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
20 Sep 2015 #153
The "core" EU countries just exploit both eastern and southern member states just like did exploit colonies in the past.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
20 Sep 2015 #156
And the truth will always be somewhere in the middle :)
ScrewThePoles
21 Sep 2015 #157
Yeah you Poland LEAVE the EU and go **** yourselve we have too many of you here in the UK, second largest community after the Indians. You drink alcohol like tankers, you are rapists, you are racists, you suck suck our money like vampires and send it back to your ***********. LEAVE EU AND GO **** YOURSELVES !!! But Unfortunately you won't have the balls for that you are scared to death to say with your little ****** Eastern European neighborhood. I don't even know whay you call yourselve Eastern European anyway you are just ******* Russian satellites. **** POLAND !!!
nothanks - | 640
21 Sep 2015 #158
Hahah. We're gonna take over and turn Britain Catholic. There is nothing you can do to stop us. Praise Pilsduski
johnny reb 23 | 4,518
21 Sep 2015 #159
If Poland exited the EU they would be over run with German, French and Brit's as refugees escaping their countries from cultural wars.
As of now Poland is the last pure country in Europe which makes it more appealing every day for a place to live in peace.
InPolska 11 | 1,821
21 Sep 2015 #160
Poland is not stupid and will never leave the EU. Poland is the no.1 fund recipients and badly needs the euros... I read that by 2020, Poland and Hungary will receive an additional ... 100 billions euros. Do Poles realize that said funds are paid by mostly German, French and British (as per %) taxpayers. Among said taxpayers, there also also ... muslims, jews, homosexuals ;).
Marsupial - | 886
21 Sep 2015 #161
When you people talk cynical eu politics...poles want to be in eu for inclusion, protection, freedom, trade and yes the money. I remember what it was like, the money wasn't on the agenda much it was f...g freedom. The union should be happy with polands growth and export expansion, a star performer in the eu.
Roger5 1 | 1,458
21 Sep 2015 #162
The benefits of EU membership can be seen all over Poland, and people know where the help has come from. Americans who have never visited Poland know nothing about it. I'm thinking of joining an American website and telling them how they should live. I wonder what the response will be.

We're gonna take over and turn Britain Catholic.

It is much more likely that the children of recent immigrants will fully assimilate, just as others have done in the past.
mafketis 23 | 8,404
21 Sep 2015 #163
The benefits of EU membership can be seen all over Poland, and people know where the help has come from.

Very true. But economic arguments are no the be and end all of EU membership. If enough Poles start to see EU membership as having what should be domestic policy decisions (like border controls) made in Germany by irrational leaders then the economic benefits might not be enough.

Part of what Merkel's Folly has wrought is to bring the negatives of EU membership front and center.
OP Ironside 49 | 10,311
21 Sep 2015 #164
Roger and inPolaka those economic benefits you talk about i.e. founds are not really beneficial as you seems to think.
There are economic benefits like open borders some export, but then it is being paid for by open unprotected polish market and that fact creates adverse circumstances for development of Polish enterprises.

Last but not least some political movements are being founded by foreign sources and as you can guess not for free.

If enough Poles start to see EU membership as having what should be domestic policy decisions (like border controls) made in Germany by irrational leaders then the economic benefits might not be enough.

They will and for that I think we should be kinda thankful to Merkel. After all thanks to spineless peasants in PO government Polish women in their 60' will break their back in some dead and jobs to provide enough money for 10 000 or 20 000 men in in their 20'!

If that will not change mind of Poles about the EU, nothing will.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
21 Sep 2015 #165
If enough Poles start to see EU membership as having what should be domestic policy decisions (like border controls) made in Germany by irrational leaders then the economic benefits might not be enough.

Border controls are an EU matter these days - the only thing that Poland has discretion over is the entry criteria for non-EU citizens, and even then, they have to respect visas issued by other EU countries. Schengen was originally outside of the EU, but it's part of the acquis these days.

The economic benefits do outweigh everything else. It would be a different story if Poland was a rich country and the target of such migrants, but because they don't care about Poland, neither does Poland care about them.
OP Ironside 49 | 10,311
21 Sep 2015 #166
Yeah you

Observe the end result of compulsory state education uk style. Proud to be British, eh?
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
21 Sep 2015 #167
Yeah you Poland LEAVE the EU and go **** yourselve we have too many of you here in the UK

Wow. Someone hit the bottle early.

Not enough Poles in the UK if you ask me.
Roger5 1 | 1,458
21 Sep 2015 #168
Polish women in their 60' will break their back in some dead and jobs to provide enough money for 10 000 or 20 000 men in in their 20'!

I have no idea what that means.
mafketis 23 | 8,404
21 Sep 2015 #169
The economic benefits do outweigh everything else.

For the time being.

if Poland was a rich country and the target of such migrants, but because they don't care about Poland, neither does Poland care about them.

But Merkel's Folly has woken up a lot of people who don't like having such an erratic and irrational person in charge of Germany (and thinking that other countries should just blindly follow her emotional decisions). She was basically telling Hungary and Austria how to manage their borders (though the media seemed to .... not want to make that especially clear).

This time an unaccountable decision by a German leader probably won't affect Poland very much..... but more thinking people are now thinking 'what about next time?'
OP Ironside 49 | 10,311
21 Sep 2015 #170
have no idea what that means.

It mean that retainment age has risen in Poland allegedly because there is no money and then government will take handed over by Germany 20 000 young men illegal immigrants, most likely selected from the bottom of the barrel.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
21 Sep 2015 #171
But Merkel's Folly has woken up a lot of people who don't like having such an erratic and irrational person in charge of Germany (and thinking that other countries should just blindly follow her emotional decisions). She was basically telling Hungary and Austria how to manage their borders (though the media seemed to .... not want to make that especially clear).

The thing is that it seems to be a pattern for wildly successful CDU chancellors to make such stupid mistakes. Adenauer, Kohl and now Merkel all made that single, career-defining mistake that they became known for. But it seems that she didn't consult almost anyone before announcing that Germany was open - the CSU are furious with her, the Lander are furious and plenty of other EU countries are also furious. I don't think it's a coincidence that she's gone very, very quiet recently.

This time an unaccountable decision by a German leader probably won't affect Poland very much..... but more thinking people are now thinking 'what about next time?'

They are, but I think it's also worth remembering that Poland is growing in confidence to reject such things. It doesn't seem likely that Poland will take any Muslims at all, and I don't see any evidence that the EU is able to convince Poland to do so.

My gut feeling is that Germany (to try and save face) will end up paying Poland and the others to take the refugees.
polandstupid
21 Sep 2015 #172
haha poland will have ALOT muslims in country soon and poland nothing can do))) to EU forcing country take these but country without EU member we be more safe.

poland will soon being the new syria)))
johnny reb 23 | 4,518
21 Sep 2015 #173
I'm thinking of joining an American website and telling them how they should live.
I wonder what the response will be.

As for you being a Brit most likely the same as the one you get here on a Polish website which is, "not much".

but I think it's also worth remembering that Poland is growing in confidence to reject such things.

They are very much so as in the recent majority of anti marches against the LBGTQ's and the majority anti - refugee marches.
Standing strong and united within will make Poland a strong country while the rest of the EU slowly falls apart.
Zzzz
21 Sep 2015 #174
Most countries on the periphery of the EU should have a post-EU plan. I really think it's only a matter of time for EU to break up.
Crow 139 | 8,609
21 Sep 2015 #175
Long time ago, for years already, i here warning Poles that would EU deliver disaster on Poles. It is disguising to me when see how deeply i am right.

In other words you have no idea what you are saying .

i am sure i would found few words

You speak of the richest areas of the world . What possible resources could Slavs have that could tempt them ?

What richest areas? you mean when Britain sunk in one great inevitable flood in next 50-100 years, ocean would be very fertilized? Is that it?

What Slavic resources? Take your map, look onto Slavic territories and contemplate.

i hope that my answers satisfied you. Yes? Please, confirm.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
21 Sep 2015 #176
I really think it's only a matter of time for EU to break up.

Why?

Poland and Spain have no issues with each other, for instance. Neither does Poland and Estonia, or Poland and Slovenia. The Union still works fine.
nothanks - | 640
21 Sep 2015 #177
Delph the screws will be tightened as these multi-Million refugees sit on Western welfare. Western Nations will grow resentful at White Polska
F.UC.K.Poland
22 Sep 2015 #178
I hope so much you will leave the EU you are the second largest community in the UK after the Indians, there is even more Polish than Pakistanis now in the UK, go your own country and live in your own ***. Anyway we UK we will leave the EU and will kick you out hahaha.

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nothanks - | 640
22 Sep 2015 #179
"Golden opportunity for Poland to draw up agreements with other Slavic/Eastern EU/European nations about border security and financial cost distribution and materiel/personnel sharing for border security and migrant processing. Without consulting the EU, without listening to Germany, and offering a legal framework as leader for many nations not served by German policy to deal with reality.

What's Germany going to do? Not give them money? Sanction them? Invade them?

Time to call the bluff on the idea that the Union is the same as German diktat."
Marsupial - | 886
22 Sep 2015 #180
Poland is actually taking refugees from east and from this latest nightmare. Its not like they are doing nothing but the numbers being thrown around atm are huge. You can't just loosely say one day to all the members of your union that they will all take and do as told. Truth is if you look at how everyones borders were open and unguarded it's a tribute to the new level of peace in europe and not just eu area but greater europe. Sure there are problems but as an experiment in the brave new world it's a winner. Now enter 3rd party foreign mass of people who are coming in a specific pre designed way and route. With a pre designed destination and welfare targets. Germany has made itself the target through it's success and soft leadership. Germany should listen to its neighbours and harden up...

A lot.


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