European News and Poland Thread - part 4

Trump threatens to sue BBC for $1 billion over speech scandal as director general resigns

Sue the motherfvckers down to their underwear, expel the UK from NATO as a hostile nation, and tell Putin: They are all yours...

So BBC admits "bias"...

That's not the problem, British azzholes...Everybody is "biased".

The problem is that you, British azzholes, are hostile to the US, the only country that can keep you safe from your imaginary enemy, Russia.

So which one is it? Is Russia your enemy, morons, or the US? It can't be both.

If we are your friends, then act like we are, azzholes...Friends don't doctor tapes to make friends look like sedicious traitors.

Memo to Russia: Got nukes? Keep them ready for the Brits...We should be friends...

If you watch just 5 minutes of this video, you will realize what morons Brits are.

If you don't spend 5 minutes on the video, you are.



A comment:

Russia is not our enemy, Starmer is .

youtube.com/watch?v=-OPQm78uDN8

Germany is watching intensely....we have the same problem here with a media corporation, here called ÖRR, which has developed a mighty leftist bias including unwanted genderspeech, against the wishes of the majority of its forced payer.

If the Brits can get their BBC back onto the right, neutral path....Germany can do it too!

If not...the funding will be up to discussion here too...

PS: Recently it was discovered that one of the main stations, the ZDF, got all their info about the Gaza war from a certified Hamas-terrorist there, which of course influenced the reporting against Israel...but till now nobody stepped back for that enormous breach of journo-rules...

My advice would be to be very careful. This politically driven attack on the BBC is being led by the same crowd that championed Brexit. Their slogan was take back control, but what did that mean? It meant ditching workers rights and regulations meant to protect individuals from corporations. These people want to have insurance firms in charge of health, they want to scrap education goals and they want to give oligarchs the ability to set the political agenda. Their attack on the ECHR is fairly typical of their mendacious agenda.

What really sticks out from this whole story is not the accurate portrayal of Trumps words but his use of the office to intimidate and attempt to enrich himself further.

It's the same old story, sell a simple story/solution to a complexproblem created by the same people selling the snake oil.

They lied Barney!

They fed their enemies with their own failures, their own made fake news!

Any media can do what it wants, if it can finance itself....but neither the BBC nor the german ÖRR is in that position. They are paid lots by us, the citizens, and HAVE TO adhere to much higher standards! If they don't they have to bear the consequences.

My compassion is severly limited...

This is exactly the point. The politically appointed cabal that launched this mendacious attack on the BBC did so for ideological reasons. They want the airwaves to be the sole preserve of the rich.

The unacknowledged edit by the BBC did not change the meaning of Trumps speech, it was clumsy but not a lie. The ideological attack on the BBC is the same as the ideological attack on the EU.

The BBC is one of the best things about Britain I was and am extremely critical of their political coverage of Ireland as it is standard British ignorance but overall think the BBC is a good thing. I think it's a bad thing to restrict broadcasting to the rich. In Britain GB news does not make a profit but continues to broadcast its ideological agenda funded by the rich, both foreign and domestic.

I don't think foreigners should be allowed to own or fund news media but the people who orchestrated this crisis are happy to take back control and hand it to rich foreigners.

Na ja....I dunno about your home country, Barney....but in the US, in Germany and I believe in the UK too, the majority of the supporter of the far right, of the Trumps and Farage's and Weidels, comes by now from the lower classes, the worker, the poor....those fearing for their existence and the future of their own children.

The Left has literally left them....and, I repeat, now they have to bear the consequences! Unwillingness, mistrust and with that a certain kind of hostility against institutions like the BBC/ÖRR is a SELFMADE catastrophe, the Right only uses these weapons given to them for attacks.

Again...my compassion is severely limited....they have only themselves to blame!

There is general dissatisfaction with the current political system particularly among the poor. Nothing seems to improve their situation which came about as a consequence of right leaning policies. I don't think more right wing policies will solve their problems. The path taken by so called neoliberal policies championed by the right were a one way street. Surrendering the airwaves to the elite will do nothing to improve their or anyone's chances except the elite.

Na ja....I dunno about Ireland....but Trump came as a consequence of Dem Biden and a ridiculous election campaign by Dem Harris.

And neither were the last years in Germany in any way rightist led, with the left SPD and even the Greens in government till 6 months back....during this time the AfD grew and grew. I guess it is similiar in the UK...

The Right cheers successes because of the failures and down right errors of the Left....they are the consequence, not the cause!

The Left has to change when they still want to have a chance at election times....they could start with these old institutions, which have lost lots of their former glamour and trust by now....

At present neoliberalism is a bipartisan effort (in Europe in many places it's primarily leftwing like in Spain).

@Bratwurst Boy
The problem with Biden is that he has an ego the size of a planet plus he was incompetent. The Russian sanctions played a major part in the cost of living crisis that impacted most of Europe and North America. It was this that won it for Trump and the British Labour Party. Voters are not necessarily wedded to left or right as they used to be, they switch preference frequently. The supposed rightward drift embodied by Meloni, Orban and a few others seems to be talked up as they are the most vocal on social media but they quietly drop unpopular policies like the latest incarnation of the FN in France.

The right leaning policies that exported jobs and got us hooked on debt go back many decades to the Reagan/Thatcher era. Then one wage supported a family but you didn't have ridiculously wealthy oligarchs exercising unchecked political power. The checks and balances introduced to prevent the system meltdown were removed and burdened us with more debt and plunged many into poverty.

@mafketis
Neoliberal ideology has been adopted by the majority of the traditional political parties from what was once left and right. The left lost hat battle a long time ago and as I said a few posts ago it was a one way street.

I don't even disagree with that....hence it should be easy for the Left to be the counter choice for these developments, shouldn't...but she isn't!!!

You can't blame all the leftist woes that on the Right or the voter...that's my point! Somehow during the last 10, 15 years the old Left lost its way....and with that alot of its former and potential supporter.

My goodness Barney, when in the recent memory has the youth ever preferred the Right to the Left!!!!

The Right only uses the void the Left left behind...blaming and fighting the Right only isn't going to fill that void....its what it is! *shrugs*

Yeah, they started listening to consultants, focus groups and the like a lot longer ago than 15 years. They adopted the economics of the right because voters were sold a pup, they gave up their jobs as industrial/manufacturing jobs were deemed unfashionable by people with ponytails. Their payoff was cheap electrical goods, two weeks in Spain and garish wallpaper. That again was a one way street. When the prevailing economic policy is to bribe people with their own money something is wrong. I see encouraging signs that people have seen through the one dimensional bollox. The good people of NY in America have backed someone with sensible European like suggestions, and there are other examples.

These relatively modest suggestions will help make living experience easier and the winter palace will still be standing.

....only in the big cities! That seems to be the pattern in the West.

We have some crazy leftists in Berlin in the city gov already for years too...and the city looks like it. But the continously incoming new Berliners seem to like it, I dunno.

People in the countryside tend to be conservative in outlook. When you have a selling point that is a mix of old fashioned nostalgia and fear people buy it but the economic reality is different. No one goes to the AfD for economic certainty, in Britain the economic basket case that is Reform have just rowed back on their massive bribe/lie/policy. In the US people are starting to see the economic incontinence of Trump and punished his party at the ballot box.

The young folks - they'll return vintage leftists - just you wait.

Bernie was too old, and his socialist credentials were suspect...

Zohran is a real, old school leftist, as you would see in the 1960s and 1970s.

Not a Reagan/Thatcher era reactionary.

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To me it's wild to observe how these old ideas take hold over the younger folks (like my brother, with whom I have a 16 year difference).

I guess we needed distance from 1989-1991.

That is, the Socialist idea is truly indefeatable. The people that argued it was dead after 1991, were wrong. Just the messenger was wrong - a bunch of Russian and Ukrainian geriatrics holding on to their seats.

Now that the Ost Bloc bullsh*t is far away in the rear view mirror, new people are giving it a go.

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The youth in America (I don't know about anyone else, except Russia) - is being pulled in two directions. Fascism and Communism.

Hating on Jews, on foreigners, on gays, blacks and browns, and Boomers - on the right.

Hating on Jews, on banks, on the rich, on the military, and on Boomers - on the left.

Yeah...they should start to learn from their misgivings and start to throw their books into the bin!

Not ever has any socialist win made ANY of its many promises come true...not since the beginning! Every try became a catastrophe in the end, in every country, on every continent...but still with every new generation someone new cries "revolution", promises the paradise and denigrates everything before as "not real socialism"..."this time we do it right"....yeah...suuuuure!

....some would call it stupidity!


I wish they would learn....socialism/communism will never going to work...it's just not in the human nature!

Come on...

Be fair.

Capitalism and Communism have both lifted hundreds of millions of people from poverty.

Two of the fastest growing economies in the world - are run by a Communist party - China and Vietnam.

India was Socialist from the 1940s to the early 2000s.

Brazil has a Socialist leader.

Colombia.

Mexico.

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Communism gave people dignity and power - from Cuba to Angola.

These countries still represent some of the most educated and healthiest people on their continents.

It wasn't all one non-stop horror show.

You should know this, as an Ossie.

Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is not stupidity but insanity.

Some early Puritans in America tried to set up some sort of kibbutz/kolkhoz-like communities and they all failed miserably. If even God-fearing, hard-working, thrifty and disciplined people like them didn't manage to make socialism work, even on a small scale, then I have no hope for general population of any country to achieve any sort of success.

When people stray from the Truth of the Gospel and try to adjust the Truth to their expectations, wants and desires, to twist the Truth to justify their sins, bad things happen. After the 20th century one might think that people would abandon fascism and communism, seeing the havoc they both caused, but noooo... "this time it will be different".

Different my arse.


Capitalism, sure. Communism, to a limited extent and for a very high price.


To some people it gave dignity and power, to others poverty, grey hopelessness and gulags.

That's why I am proud of Poland, where it is illegal to promote either of the two criminal systems, fascism and communism, and their symbols.

Maybe it will be different?

Anthropoid robots, AI, and quantum computing.

We may be nearing what Marx predicted - a post scarcity world.

Then why want people to run away from there all the time? Boats...long marches...dangerous treks....

People are still deciding with their feet, Bobko....and if they only can their goal is some capitalist country!


Why not? I am all for it....I wish I will still be alive to see some landing on another planet (not the moon, mind you)....Musk has big plans! :)

Once we spread our human wings a totally new game is beginning!

That's just technology. When progress in technology exceeds moral progress, and in recent years the former runs on steroids while the condition of the latter deteriorates, that's a very dangerous situation.


Look at the world again - does it look anything like post-scarcity? "The poor you will always have with you", as our Lord Jesus Christ said. It is an inseparable part of the fallen condition of humanity and it can only be alleviated to some extent by Christian charity, not by any forceful redistribution system which - apart from trying to help the poor - brings tons upon tons of other nonsense with it. Not going to work. Ever.


Check mate.

Take a country. Divide it in two. Put guards with barbed wire and machine-gun nests on the border. Introduce communism in one part and capitalism in the other. Give it 20-30 years and observe from which country to which people will run away. Despite the guards. Despite the barbed wire. Despite the machine guns.

Check mate, BB. Bravo.

Nah....just a burned child!

I lived through all this once....alot of the from today socialists shouted plans sounds goosebumpingly familiar...

Indeed.

The same goes for far-right fascist retards. I really do hope we will be able to fly to Mars or some other planet one day. We should then put all the far-leftists and all the far-rightists on spaceships and ship them to the brave new world for them to shape and fight over. :)

Productivity will explode.

$20,000 for Musk's Optimus - is nothing - if it can replace a man.

Knowledge will become limitless. Diseases will be "solved". Longevity will scale at logarithmic rates.

There is enough of everything, for everyone on this planet.


You may be surprised, but for me this is a good argument. For different reasons than you may think, not having to do with faith.


You are a smart guy... I'm inclined to take your ideas seriously. So if you say this... it gives me some pause. But I still remain an optimist.

I believe it too. But it is not technology that I place my hope in.


I know! You have a Christian heart, even if you consider yourself an unbeliever/marxist or whatever. I am an optimist too - remember Julian of Norwich. :)

You know....IMHO the main problem, and an inherent problem as that....is the lack of choices in a socialist system...any socialist system!

The first generation can be happy...they decided to be leftist, socialist, communist....it was their free choice. They fighted for it, they maybe even died for it, now they won!

And now the inherent nightmare starts...to fulfill the socialist dream, to build a socialist community, they have to take away the choices of anybody else...ideologically, economically...till down to the very privately things.
And now...the future generations, the people born into it...are forced to live the socialist way, whatever the socialist gov decides! They are primed for socialism from Kindergarten onwards, through school...other opinions are dangerous to "the good cause"....people who disagree become "enemies" and "traitors of the cause"....in the end stand gulags and jails and maybe even the army (China)!

That's how it always happens...it's the failure inside the ideology, a socialist community can't exist when people have the choice also against it...thats why its never going to be better....there is nothing to be optimistic about, truly not!

We all want the same thing.

When God created us, he placed the same template in everyone's soul.

This is a goal for all of humankind.

Do not be angry at the human governments you have lived under...

The Machine God will organize our life to perfection.

You really have a way with words! :)

But...do you mean now a "godly machine"?


Agreed! And no ideology has the right to force me into a life I don't want to live....any ideology trying that needs to be fighted!