European News and Poland Thread 2

The leader of the 2nd party in Poland is the biggest EUrophile, Donald Tusk. Everyone knows very well that Tusk isn't a leader but a follower and a globalist.

Wow, even Crno gets some things right sometimes! :D

Yes, EUrophiles have more leverage than EUropsceptics in Poland. Ha!

Ordo luris is instructing hotel owners they can refuse to rent a room to unmarried couples on the ground of their conscience/religious belief.

onet.pl/turystyka/onetpodroze/ordo-iuris-radzi-hotelarzom-takie-lozka-nie-dla-kazdego/j0777qf,07640b54

Two points interest me:
Should they require marriage certificate or take people word for it?
Can hotel owners refuse to rent a room to the member of CC?

In principle hotel owners should be able to refuse to rent rooms to anyone, no questions asked.... in reality.... it could lead to places that Ordo Iuris doesn't like....

Wow, so they want to turn Poland into a Muslim country O_O I guess it's good that they're showing their true faces. F*cked up Cathotalibans.


And to PiS and Konfederacja supporters? :D

@Paulina
You really think sexual cohabition before marriage is not an act of scandal? Sin? Ruining and not taking care of your own soul AND that of the other person? Risk of children being born to parents they don't know or even murdered before birth? You really think that ANY religious person should or even will accept such things? That is LUNACY to even think!

Hotel owner can always say that he is fully booked.

More Civil Unrest in the U.K. as a half million in the country go on strike.
People can't make ends meet with the U.K.'s inflation of essentials and services.
Teachers, bus and train drivers and more joining in today to shut down the U.K.
This could very well spill over into Poland before long.
Socialism just doesn't work but try to tell that to the Liberal Agenda's.

O,5 million for 67 million population? Come on, it`s nothing.
Poland scored 10 million Solidarity members going on anti communist strikes in 1981 in 36 million population.

Sure it is as it is the biggest strike in 12 years.
It has now spread to border workers at airports and seaports.
This strike is the largest such walkout in over a decade, closing schools and severely disrupting transport.
And you call it no big deal. Pfffft !
Shows you what you know which is nothing.
This will only make inflation worse in the long run.
You Europeans are just going to have to learn to live within your means.
The gravy train is over for you as you knew it.

Stay focused on what people write to you. I told you about 10 million Solidarity Poles on strike. And you still promote that pathetic 0.5 million of strikers in GB. Are you fekking serious?


Not for us but for Brits who voted for Brexit. Now they are paying for it. Milo had to sell his business and limits his participation in the forum to Happy Night Hours.

Another moron who thinks Brexit was a bad idea!
Let's see how Poland feels about being tied to Brussels in ten years time.....
I think that you may be unpleasantly surprised.

Why do you want to erase differences between Poland and the UK... you're as bad as those thinkingPoland needs American style gun laws.

Poland and the UK are different societies with differing majority values and different goals. What's right for one, won't necessarily work in the other.....

Why is this so hard to understand?

@mafketis
And you just made every centrist and right wing point. "What's right for one, won't necessarily work in the other" What is so hard to understand indeed. Cultures and people are not plug and play. Forcing people into belief systems or other value based systems does not work. Brexit for England was very successful.

In what way? Certainly not for trade.

ft.com/content/e39d0315-fd5b-47c8-8560-04bb786f2c13

@Feniks
In the way that the UK is now in control of their own destiny and not beholden to EU rules. While the EU is great for a lot of smaller countries, the UK really didnt need it. Granted, the trade deals the UK anticipated have not yet come, but, we have also had a pandemic and a war in the middle of the finality of Brexit. Inflation is global, so I really dont look at that as a negative. One real negative is workforce shortage in UK, this I agree is a big problem for the UK now and in the future. In general though, the people I know and talk to are happy to not be under the thumb of Brussels, Berlin and Paris.

Basically agree. The UK was never an enthusiastic member of the EU and minimally engaged in it while paying through the nose... when asked only an idiot would be surprised that 'leave' won.

None of the conditions that made Brexit possible really obtain in Poland (where becoming an active part of Europe has been a dream for generations). Flaws with the way the EU works (which are real and deep and many) don't offset that.

The UK - maybe. In the sense of their leading elites - they are independent at last, indeed.
How about common Brits?? :):):)


Not really. :):):

Some who voted for Brexit regret their choice today. Have you heard of Bregret? :):):)

@pawian
"Not really" and you know people I know and talk to or are you projecting again?

Yes, I know the people you talk to - they exist only in your imagination. You talk to all people everywhere in the world and still have time to participate in the forum so actively??? Sorry, it is against logic. :):) Either cut down on the number of people you talk to or keep that number but cut down on posting here. hahahaha


It means 58% Brits would vote against Brexit today, compared to 48% at the real voting. You were really lucky not to run into them while conversing with Brits about Brexit. hahahaha

Very good article, thanks. In a neutral tone, it explains well that Brexit was Brits` huge mistake and they are already paying for it with less money per household and will for the next decades, unless they return to the EU.


One example of this happinness:
Brits have to pay more for the food they import from the EU. That makes them happy coz at last they are independent. :):):)

Yeah nah comrade.

Or take the economy. We aren't doing well but neither are they: rejoining an equally poorly performing Euro-technocracy won't help us. Total UK growth since 2016 has been about the same as Germany's (5.7 per cent), even though our hit from Covid was much larger, Julian Jessop, the economist, calculates; in 2022, real wages fell a lot more in Germany than in Britain. Our GDP grew faster than that of France, Italy and Germany last year. Since 2019, food prices are up 19.9 per cent in the UK but 21.1 per cent in the eurozone and 24.1 per cent across the whole of the EU bloc.

Contrary to Guy Verhofstadt's witterings, Europe's disastrous foreign policy was laid bare by the Ukraine war. It has showcased how an independent Britain, psychologically unencumbered by EU membership, can shine. Meanwhile, Germany's energy, military and trade strategy towards Moscow and Beijing lies exposed as catastrophically misguided and threatens its future as an industrial power. And Brussels remains a cesspit

telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/02/01/myopic-rejoiners-cant-admit-eu-still-failing-unreformable-basket/

Really?? Stop manipulating economic data. Quote from Fenix`s article -
btw, Fenix is an immensely intelligent Brit of centrist views, if you didn`t know, so don`t mess with Fenix:

Mark Carney, former BoE governor. said that in 2016 the British economy was 90 per cent the size of Germany's economy, while now it is less than 70 per cent.


Yes, it can shine, displaying its impoverished people. hahahaha

Here you are trying to force Polish values onto Brits...

There's more to a society than economics and British and Polish aspirations and values simply are not the same.

By all means, after a few years (no sooner than 2025 or 2026) if there's enough popular support then maybe have a referendum about starting negotiations to re-enter. Of course by that time conditions might well be such that people wouldn't end up going through with it. I imagine that the Euro and Schengen would be non-negotiable conditions... (and Ireland wouldn't like the latter either)

A Fanatic Europhile who predicted there would be economic collapse and riots in the streets due to brexit, he really should be jailed for his dishonest fear campaign.

Yes, and current British strikes which johhny gloated on are an excellent example of how Brits care about their independence more than living costs. :):):)

Hey, I know!!! They are only demanding more independence coz they are perfectionists!!! Economy means nothing to them. hahahaha


Yes, very reasonable and mature behaviour. :):):)

While your Julian Jessop whose partisan analysis you quoted, was a promotor of Brexit, authour of BrexitCentral blog which he ceased to run in 2019 after seeing Brexit wasn`t such a success as he had predicted. Ha!

Indeed it was.

It will be interesting to see the reaction when the retained EU law bill passes in Britain.
This is what brexit was all about, removing the rights of people enmass something the Right Wing Libertarians could never have achieved individually.

The fact that many of these regulations and rights were put in place at the UK's insistance and all of them agreed by the UK government dont matter. This is a theft of rights that protect the average worker, consumer and environment and at the same time allow London to launder Russian, Gulf despots and associated criminal enterprises money.

Brexit was sold on a series of lies and not so hidden racism, there was no taking back control the same people are incharge. The problem the EU has is that it's economically right wing however there is and was no suchthing as a leftwing brexit.

The current trouble in Britain is due to the 12 years of mismanagement of right wing governments. Look at the result when the extreme libiterians briefly sat in the driving seat.

@mafketis
The EU has exactly zero appetite to open negotiations any time soon and when the UK comes crawling back it will be on EU terms and Ireland holds a veto.

Lies - the UK will fare much better out of the EU.

Racism - we don`t need so many Euro immigrants to do menial jobs.

Today main Brexit gurus admit they were wrong about advantages of leaving the EU and immigrants.

BTW, I have just read that some branches of NHS are creating food banks for their impoverished workers. Amasing!
I mean this solidarity of Brits is amasing.