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GefreiterKania 7 | 392
10 Nov 2021 #1,351
Please Poland, ask NATO to help out

I believe we already did. The exhaustive report on the border situation has been passed to the NATO headquarters, they expressed full solidarity with Poland and are now contemplating the best course of action (I hope it doesn't take them too long).

And now Poland has deployed WOT

Luckily they are deployed in villages and towns several kilometers behind the border line, to provide safety and patrol forces, and are not used directly at the fence (that might indeed end up in a disaster).

returning to Soviet ways is one of the major drivers of Russian policy under Putin

And this will become his downfall, if he believes in his own propaganda and his own strength too much.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,815
10 Nov 2021 #1,352
Chargé d'affaires USA in Poland Bix Aliu watched the exercises of the NATO Battalion Battle Group at the training ground in Orzysz on Tuesday. On Twitter, he wrote: "we are stronger together".

polishnews.co.uk/nato-exercises-in-poland-bix-aliu-thanks-to-the-nato-battalion-battle-group-we-are-stronger-together/

His entry concerns the exercises of the NATO Battalion Battle Group at the training ground in Orzysz (Warmian-Masurian Voivodeship). The soldiers have been conducting exercises there for several days, incl. using the Croatian Volcano artillery system. On Tuesday, the exercises could be watched by the media and invited guests.

The soldiers from the USA, Croatia, Great Britain and Romania, who are stationed in the vicinity of Orzysz, took part in the exercises. They practiced, among others synchronizing your activities.


Great Timing!
Crnogorac3 2 | 487
11 Nov 2021 #1,353
if he believes in his own propaganda and his own strength too much.

Russia managed to break free from the shackles of communism, if we look at what Putin is doing today and how he is bringing Russia back to the top of the world. He is a true Russian Führer and for now the great empire is back on its feet.

youtu.be/yTexDKmWD5M

For now, that is fine, but I still wonder what kind of future the circles around him, above all his party, are preparing for Russia. For me, the safest option in Russia is Vladimir Putin and his party, who in the previous period showed true opposition to the West, especially on the issue of NATO aggression against Serbia and the Kosovo problem.
jon357 69 | 18,445
11 Nov 2021 #1,354
The exhaustive report on the border situation has been passed to the NATO headquarters

They are certainly well ahead of the motley bunch of malevolent dictators to the east who are trying to stir up trouble.

And this will become his downfall

Half dead already with diminishing credibility in his own country and zero credibility in the free world.

The soldiers from the USA, Croatia, Great Britain and Romania, who are stationed in the vicinity of Orzysz, took part in the exercises.

And are not only well ahead of any rivals, but also with strong international support.
Novichok 2 | 5,575
11 Nov 2021 #1,355
He is a true Russian Führer

That was not nice unless you meant something else than a war criminal.

Luckily they are deployed in villages and towns several kilometers behind the border line, to provide safety and patrol forces,

Which means they are as useless as tits on the bull. The first and the only line of defense is the border. "Several kilometers" might as well be several hundred kilometers. Better yet, how about downtown Warsaw.

If you let the horde cross it, you own them and can't do a damn thing about them other than "show compassion", feed them, fix their ouchies, rent a room, and send kids to school. And let's not forget lawyers and endless appeals.

Way back, some naive sucker made borders as thin lines. That was a tragic mistake. Borders should have an open-fire strip that belongs to nobody. As things are now, an illegal scum is either in Belarus - and untouchable - or in Poland and just as untouchable - especially after he utters that magical word "asylum".
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,815
11 Nov 2021 #1,356
There are signs of a spectacular turnaround in EU migration policy

welt.de/politik/ausland/article234978096/Bruessel-In-der-EU-Migrationspolitik-deutet-sich-eine-spektakulaere-Wende-an.html

(google translate)

For a long time, the European Commission had vehemently opposed financial support for the construction of border fences. Now there are signs of a turnaround. That would be a serious political defeat for EU Commission President Ursula von der Leyen. ...

I KNEW IT!!! Did I predict that or not! Heh:)

...What happened? On Wednesday, EU Council President Charles Michel surprisingly brought the EU to finance border fortifications in view of the migration dispute between Poland and Belarus. The European Commission, led by von der Leyens, had previously vehemently opposed this on several occasions. ....

That amounts now to a fight between Michel (and allies) and Von der Leyen.....

...During a visit to the Polish capital Warsaw, Michel said that the EU would discuss the possibility of financing "physical infrastructure at the borders" in the coming days. In doing so, he openly challenges von der Leyen.

But that's not all: The former Belgian head of government also presented the result of a statement by the legal experts of the European Council - that is, the representation of the 27 member states - according to which it is legally possible to finance "physical infrastructure" for border protection from EU funds. The final decision has to be made by the EU Commission, because only it can release the funds....


The pressure on Von der Leyen is growing! :)

...A month ago, twelve EU countries wrote a letter to the EU Commission calling for physical border barriers to be paid for at least in part from the joint budget.

"Festung Europa" here we come!
GefreiterKania 7 | 392
11 Nov 2021 #1,357
I KNEW IT!!! Did I predict that or not! Heh:)

:)

It's a good thing that the EU finally regained some common sense:

EU
Crnogorac3 2 | 487
11 Nov 2021 #1,359
malevolent dictators to the east

And what do you say, Lukashenko is the problem by allowing the migrants? While at the same time, on the other hand, Orban is a problem with raising the fence and not letting the migrants to go through? Well, Lukashenko behaves humanely and pro-European, he supports human rights, but you are not able to understand that.

:)
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,815
11 Nov 2021 #1,360
is the problem by allowing the migrants

He doesn't "allow" them....none of them would be there without invitation and transport by Lukashenko and with that he becomes the problem!

It won't end well for him.....the wall will be build (paid by the EU), the sanctions will stay, much more cutting than they are now, he will be further isolated and what will he do with all these foreigners on his territory then?

I wonder if he ever thought about the next steps....does he really want his country incorporated into Russia? I read Putin has plans for Belorussia, but not for Lukashenko...
Crnogorac3 2 | 487
11 Nov 2021 #1,361
The EU is still against the illegal entry of migrants into its territory? When Trump said that, he was crucified by the "media". Why don't the BBC, SPIEGEL, the New York Times, the Washington Post and other garbage papers condemn Poland for not accepting migrants?

:)
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,815
11 Nov 2021 #1,362
The same media crucifying Trump for building a wall to Mexico will soon have to look on as the EU fortifies it's outer borders similiar....now THAT will be funny to watch!

PS: The first EU country stops taking in asylum seekers

Cyprus said Wednesday it would seek to suspend asylum applications to cope with an influx of irregular migrants entering the eastern Mediterranean island that it blames on Turkey.

Data showed European Union member Cyprus was facing "demographic change" and "acute socio-economic effects" as a result the migrant crisis, said government spokesperson Marios Pelekanos.


france24.com/en/live-news/20211110-cyprus-seeks-to-suspend-asylum-applications

That's the beginning of the End of the EU asylum handling.....
Novichok 2 | 5,575
11 Nov 2021 #1,363
All asylum applications in the EU and the US were fraudulent - every single one.

Finally, the leftist heads are exploding - the sweetest sound of all sounds.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,815
11 Nov 2021 #1,364
And like always such important changes need a threat from the outside....

I doubt Lukashenko had the real "Festung Europa" in mind as he started to play games with the EU....he won't like how it will end what he initiated!

PS: Okay....Erdogan was first....and he was still partly successful, but that was that...Merkel is out, that "deal" won't be repeated.
Novichok 2 | 5,575
11 Nov 2021 #1,365
Merkel is out, that "deal" won't be repeated.

Yes, the Niagara Falls morphed into a river. Both will kill you.
johnny reb 31 | 6,463
25 Nov 2021 #1,366
A rare Roman mosaic has been unearthed on a British farm in a "remarkable" discovery.
It is the first time the mosaic, found in Rutland, East Midlands, has been uncovered in 1,600 years.
The Roman mosaic is the first of its kind found in the UK to depict the Greek hero Achilles' battle with Hector during the Trojan War, and is part of just "a handful" of examples found in Europe.
Crow 152 | 9,811
25 Nov 2021 #1,367
Mindless EU can offer only deep suffering to Poland.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,870
29 Nov 2021 #1,368
Well, they also do give us billions of Euro every year...And besides, Poles tend to march to the beat of our own drum. There's a lot of things that the EU tried to force down our throat, but we stood firm and the EU mostly gave up. Now they're even applauding us for how we're handling the migrants with the Belarus border.
Novichok 2 | 5,575
29 Nov 2021 #1,369
applauding us for how we're handling the migrants with the Belarus border.

...from behind. And when they come to the border it's to make sure that Poles are not mean to the hordes.
Cojestdocholery 2 | 423
3 Dec 2021 #1,370
O, German new regierung in Berlin plan to bulid A German Empire. They call it a federal EU state. It doesn't look like a federal state at all.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,815
3 Dec 2021 #1,371
....yeah...that's why the new gov is so hot on giving up national rights to Brussels!

Believe me, there will be nothing German Empire about it.....but it will be necessary sooner or later to be able to compete with the new global players and upcoming power blocs....the EU as it is will be eaten for breakfast by them.

It might be not the way for some members of course, hence the unavoidable split into the "Europe of two velocities", a core and the rest...it's Realpolitik!

The world doesn't care for polish sensitivities and fears about a re-awakened "German Empire" .....not one bit! The future world gives a flying f*uck actually!
amiga500 2 | 967
3 Dec 2021 #1,372
shut your ossie mouth, there will be no agreement to give majority voting on foreign affairs in the european council, the baltics and v4 are against it.
Tacitus 2 | 1,495
3 Dec 2021 #1,373
the baltics and v4 are against it

Hence a Europe of two velocities. What will happen in due time is that those who support majority voting will form a new council to discuss and decide upom European foreign policy affairs, while those who do not can still remain in the current institutions, without any further input.
Cojestdocholery 2 | 423
3 Dec 2021 #1,374
n giving up national rights to Brussels!

When, what?

The world doesn't care for polish sensitivities

Sensitivites? By that ephemism you mean a common sense ?

Believe me, there will be nothing German Empire about it..

So we need to negotiate a new treaty. Talk about how a new federal EU is going to work.
Like USA system for example.
Maybe Berlin will tell the other how is all gona work and that people in Brussels that have no right to make all those desicions, will keep doing it but on instructions from Berlin.

You can call it federal but that is nothing but.

How about economical policies of the EU. That harmful green nonsense, paying for CO2 is going to to say, right?How is that not killing the economy? Few big firms profit but the rest goes to the dogs. Competition with China and USA? Sie spotten oder nach dem Weg fragen.

Well you better hope that there are die Trottel to pay for the core EU countries bliss.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,815
3 Dec 2021 #1,375
When, what?

Read that:

bundesregierung.de/breg-en/issues/europe/germany-and-europe-228936

For example:

...The participation of the German Länder in European politics

As the Federal Republic of Germany is a federal state, the legislative powers are divided among the federal level and the Länder. In the course of European integration, Germany has surrendered its sovereignty in some policy areas to the EU.

Among these policy areas are some, for which the Länder up to now either had been the legislative authority or indirectly had a say through the Bundesrat. The representation of Germany to the EU is however a competence of the Federal Government. Therefore the Federal Government on EU level also decides on matters assigned to the Länder before they were transferred to the EU.

This would effectively constitute an erosion of Länder competence by the Federal Government via a Brussels detour. To continue to politically involve the Länder in EU affairs, the Federal Government and the Länder have agreed on a number of possibilities for the Länder to participate. Details have been set out in Article 23 of the Basic Law and in the Act on Co-operation between the Federation and the Federal States in Matters concerning the European Union (EUZBLG) and the Agreement between the Federation and the Federal States (BLV)....


By that ephemism you mean a common sense ?

No, I mean sensitivities! When you are against of a true European Union....like a United States of America....only because you don't want to work to closely with Germany because of history, totally ignoring the future challenges....then it's definitely not common sense!

Talk about how a new federal EU is going to work.
Like USA system for example.

That's what I have in mind actually.....and yes....alot will have to be re-negotiated...ALOT....it won't be easy, the US weren't the successfull Union of 50 states as it is now right from the start either...quite the contrary!

You can call it federal but that is nothing but.

You err! I'm a huge fan of federalism....it works...whenever we had it it was good for Germans....a strong central state is more the Frenchies thing, I foresee huge fights about that!

It won't be achieved quickly....and every step will be fighted about....but it's important that the start is being made by peoples who appreciate it the possibilities...that's why there will be a split.

Competition with China and USA?

To be anvil or hammer, that's the question of the future for Europe...that's it!
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,815
3 Dec 2021 #1,376
Just an interesting part of an article in a german paper with the help of Google translate:)

zeit.de/wirtschaft/2014-05/eu-mythen-check-kommission/seite-2

...Well over half of all new laws are passed in Brussels and Strasbourg, regardless of whether it is tobacco regulation, roaming charges or the common commercial policy.

However, the Commission can only determine an area of ​​life if the member states have transferred national sovereignty rights to it. In addition, the EU should only regulate areas if the member states alone cannot achieve the target as well as they can together at EU level (principle of subsidiarity).

In addition, the EU Commission never passes laws itself. It only proposes drafts, which Parliament and the EU Council of Ministers then discuss with the representatives of the member states. Nothing happens against the will of the Council of Ministers - in which Germany, as the largest and economically strongest nation, has special weight. And the Council traditionally takes almost all important decisions by consensus.

However, there are also votes in the Council that only require a qualified majority. And in this procedure, Germany is underweighted in relation to its population: The Federal Republic of Germany has 29 votes out of a total of 351, a good seven times that of Luxembourg - although it has 150 times more inhabitants.

This imbalance will be somewhat offset by the new voting rules of the EU Treaty of Lisbon, which will come into force in November. The new double majority stipulates that majority decisions will only come about if 55 percent of the states agree and they represent at least 65 percent of the EU population.

Germany has seldom been outvoted in the Council in recent years; it organizes allies to prevent this. Exceptions were, for example, an increase in the milk quota or the financing of the Galileo satellite navigation system. Berlin is happy to abstain from politically sensitive decisions at EU level, such as the transmission of bulk data to the USA via the Swift bank data agreement or the PNR passenger data agreement. And thus often causes political standstill.....


That's what I meant....our new idealists in the gov will want to avoid such "nationalist standstills".....they want "more Europe"....not less, they said so often enough!
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,870
3 Dec 2021 #1,377
...from behind. And when they come to the border it's to make sure that Poles are not mean to the hordes.

That's the thing... they don't care anymore. The brave Straz Graniczna will bust their kneecaps out and bruise their kidneys till they're pissing blood, take all their ****, THEN push them back. Parliament approved a law that forbids journalists from entering. EU doesn't even care anymore. They encourage this behavior because they have enough dead weight to carry. That's why Poland is smart to realize you gotta strike while the poker is hot and conditions favorable. Art of War 101.

Poland and a handful of others now said it'll take at least 4 months to process any asylum claims for stay hoping they get the hint that they're not wanted and leave by then. By that time they'll run out of money anyway to keep bribing the Belarussian soldiers.
Novichok 2 | 5,575
3 Dec 2021 #1,378
Poland and a handful of others now said it'll take at least 4 months to process any asylum claims

It should take 4 seconds. Like this: No!!! Get lost!!!

The brave Straz Graniczna will bust their kneecaps out and bruise their kidneys

Is it really true or are you just trying to make me feel better?
I know your position on Jews, but you have to admit that Israelis are worth emulating with their skunk spray and shooting at the kneecaps before they cross over. It stops the bastards cold and it's good training at the same time.
Crow 152 | 9,811
3 Dec 2021 #1,379
...from behind.

They are always behind. Ready

the baltics and v4 are against it.

If Poland manage to coordinate with Baltics better then Germany do, its small victory. Brat Pilsudski could be only proud. Poland would expand North (to Nordics) and Serbs would expand North (to the Arkona, Rostock, Shwerin). Then we join.
Cojestdocholery 2 | 423
3 Dec 2021 #1,380
because you don't want to work to closely with Germany because of history,

Not because of history.

..alot will have to be re-negotiated.

Doesn't look that way. It looks that Germany already told EU how it is going to be.

I'm a huge fan of federalism

They say its federalism but if you look what they talk about it is not federalism, its feudalism.

To be anvil or hammer, that's the question of the future for Europe.

Paying for CO2, give up coal before there is economically viable solution, overregulation so the biggest companies can get rid of their weaker competitiors. All that telld me that the EU will be a pancake not a hammer.


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