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Spike31 3 | 2,483
14 Oct 2021 #871
This is him

That was to be expected. Whenever I read in the news that a British (or French, Dutch etc.) man committed a violent crime, it is almost certain that his first name was Mustafa or Muhhamad and he was as British as hummus. Usually, this small detail about his ethnicity is not revealed or at least you have to dig for it on the last page.

When in some rare cases the attacker happens to be white it's always written in the lead with his photo printed on the first page. It's a primitive technique but it works.
jon357 69 | 18,457
14 Oct 2021 #872
the attacker happens to be white it's always written in the lead with his photo printed on the first page

No, it isn't.

The identity of the politically conservative Dane who went on a killing spree was not released right away.

as British as hummus

You've probably never tried pease pudding.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,694
14 Oct 2021 #873
Islam is good for nobody....kill me but I stay by my opinion!
Lyzko 32 | 7,927
14 Oct 2021 #874
Only radical Shiíte, not modified Sunni.
jon357 69 | 18,457
14 Oct 2021 #875
Shiíte

They're generally more mystical.

modified

Modified how?
amiga500 2 | 992
14 Oct 2021 #876
They're generally more mystical.

That is Sufi i believe? But like all religions i'm sure there are different theological school within shia that may be more to what you claim.
Lyzko 32 | 7,927
14 Oct 2021 #877
Turkey pre-Erdogan, best example.
jon357 69 | 18,457
14 Oct 2021 #878
That is Sufi i believe?

Sufis are generally Sunni but the Turkish ones have incorporated practices from Shia.

there are different theological school within shia

Yes, tons, some of them very full on, some of them a bit witchy, some very liberal.
amiga500 2 | 992
15 Oct 2021 #879
@jon357 As per my previous post that the panic fuel buying in the U.K was caused by the trucking companies who wanted cheap Euro labour, there was some evidence in the Torygraph today "Grant Shapps, the Transport Secretary, accused the RHA of leaking comments from a confidential call in which BP said it was reducing deliveries to some petrol stations because of a driver shortage. This triggered panic buying which emptied pumps across Britain." telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/10/14/haulage-group-frozen-whitehall-hijacked-remainers/
jon357 69 | 18,457
15 Oct 2021 #880
I've noticed some shortages starting to appear in the shops here in PL (though didn't see any back there or any problems with petrol - maybe that was just down south).

Dangerous times.

Having said that, if Shapps said something, the opposite is probably true.

Unite (my union) are threatening a lorry drivers' strike, and I applaud that.
The Tory press and the ragged-trousered philanthropists that think Boris has "lovely hair" and clap for the NHS while hospital staff use food banks are going to be whinging like spoilt brats about them "taking advantage" of the commercial situation, and being "selfish" as if nobody except the worker ever "takes advantage" of a commercial situation and as if capitalists and investors simply never, ever put themselves first.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,694
15 Oct 2021 #881
Civey (12. bis 14.10. 5009 people) :

In your opinion, should the muezzin call, which calls Muslims to prayer, be just as natural in Germany as the Christian church bells?

YES 18%

NO 76%

ga.de/news/politik/muezzin-ruf-grosse-mehrheit-in-deutschland-lehnt-ihn-ab_aid-63505341

My guess is that alot of the YES votes have come from muslims...

And no Tacitus, it's like with Genderspeech....there will be no in time rising acceptance somewhere in the future through habituation and force....that's a naive misconception....the leadership of the GDR will tell you....ooops.....

....But even in the group of 18 to 29 year olds, a majority rejects the move.

jon357 69 | 18,457
15 Oct 2021 #882
My guess that alot of the YES votes have come from muslims...

That seems a high percentage.

My own view is that the Azan nowadays can be done direct (and quietly) to someone's smartphone and doesn't suit or need loudspeakers anyway. As a voice thing, it is beautiful but from a minaret should be reserved for special occasions (religious holidays) in places where there's a tradition of it or where there's a large community who'll appreciate it, and not outside working hours.

Much the same with church bells; a complex 400 year old peal of 10 bells at a cathedral or in a prosperous village church is wonderful (though not too late in the evening) however loudspeaker tape recordings of bells, low quality bells and loud peals for churches which have 6 weddings every Saturday etc should not happen in residentIal areas.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,694
15 Oct 2021 #883
My own view is that the Azan nowadays can be done direct (and quietly) to someone's smartphone and doesn't suit or need loudspeakers anyway.

Much the same with church bells...

That would be the best.....
jon357 69 | 18,457
15 Oct 2021 #884
The same with church bells. Anyone who thinks otherwise has never lived near a church where they practise them mid week for 3 hours until 21.30.

Azans (they only last 90 seconds) from a minaret are fine for special occasions, as are bells if they are muffled and also only short peals..
mafketis 29 | 10,321
15 Oct 2021 #885
never lived near a church where they practise them mid week for 3 hours until 21.30.

Several years ago on vacation in the Bodrum area of Turkey the hotel I was staying at was within hearing distance of a place where people seemed to be training for/practicing doing the call to prayer... hearing the off-key voice-cracking practice calls was kind of amusing. Even at the mid-day prayers on Friday (even close to a mosque) the great majority of people seemed to ignore them (and a mosque on the sea walk had maybe a half dozen people in it at noon Friday).... But most people in Bodrum are culturally closer to Italians or Greeks in lots of ways (despite the latter being violently expelled a few decades ago). It's probably different in the less educated Erdogan heartland...

The broader issue is cultural compatibility as church bells have hundreds of years of tradition behind them (and thus serve as a symbol of cultural continuity) while calls to prayer in most of Europe.... don't and rather represent cultural rupture and discontinuation. For fans of cultural wreckage the short term benefits might seem to be worth it, but it's probably worth looking at the social dysfunction of much of the muslim world before enthusiastically embracing their cultural practices.
jon357 69 | 18,457
15 Oct 2021 #886
hearing the off-key voice-cracking practice calls was kind of amusing

I used to live for 3 years (not long ago) right opposite a Qadiriyah mosque (an exotic Sufi sect in Africa) and used to listen to them chanting for hours at a time. It was a tradition there and Qadiriyah are a very special group though, almost an endangered species nowadays. In (Eastern Region) Saudi, the loudspeakers (especially at night) used to annoy me, as did the crapper singers doing it. In Turkey and the Hejaz though, it's an old tradition and generally more low key than in some places.

as church bells have hundreds of years of tradition behind them

It depends where and the context. Great in a village, not so great in a modern suburb.

youtu.be/Gyg0kSsWSpQ
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,694
15 Oct 2021 #887
People often fear what they do not know.

The more I get to know Islam and it's radicals the more I come to dislike it! And that muezzin screaming is not helping....

For comparison.....grown up in the GDR I didn't know about any of it and I for sure didn't fear it, I didn't care at all....so something about that old saying really sucks!

My development to a bonafide Islamophobe is recent and progressive....so you could also say: "Knowing it means hating it!"
Novichok 2 | 5,218
15 Oct 2021 #888
The more I get to know Islam and it's radicals the more I come to dislike it!

It's like an American saying: the more I know about the 30 million Latino illegals the more I dislike them. At least, you are one of the few sane here.

It's a conquest, BB, dressed up as that sacred "immigration" - a free movement of free people in the world without borders and full of love.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,694
15 Oct 2021 #889
It's a conquest, BB,

I wouldn't go that far though.....a conquest happens always from a position of strength...something I just don't see with Islam or Muslims....I don't fear them....I just....totally totally dislike them!

So...the idea that in 20 years from now on....meaning 20 years of more "knowing"....I will somehow come to like them then instead sounds funny to me....
Tacitus 2 | 1,461
15 Oct 2021 #890
My development to a bonafide Islamophobe is recent and progressive

That does happen if your entire exposure to something unfamiliar is via negative headlines and scaremongering. The fact that you seem to be more afraid of some distant, imaginary threat than the very real right-wing threat, despite living in East Germany where we see so much right-wing violence and fascist marches showing thousands of peoples just shows how powerful this manipulation is.

Columbus had the whole most advanced world

Aside from the fact that Europe back then was both scientifically and economically less advanced than say China or the Ottoman Empire, it certainly helped that they exposed the natives to diseases that wiped out up to 90% of them.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,694
15 Oct 2021 #891
That does happen if your entire exposure to something unfamiliar is via negative headlines and scaremongering.

Are you saying I'm being "brainwashed" by our media and their bad Islam-PR?

Europe back then was both scientifically and economically less advanced than say China or the Ottoman Empire

It was more than enough for the native Americans, wasn't it....
Tacitus 2 | 1,461
15 Oct 2021 #892
At least mine is based on personal experience ;)

native Americans, wasn't it....

Well, wiping out 90% of the enemies without any personal actions does kinda improve your chances of succeeding.
amiga500 2 | 992
15 Oct 2021 #893
Please share your 'personal experience' . Usually left wing atheists cannot comprehend the religious mind. But also embrace outside ideologies and cultures due to a subconscious process to diminish their own culture and society, in line with their neo marxist/critical theory ideology.
Tacitus 2 | 1,461
15 Oct 2021 #894
left wing atheists

I am neither btw, let alone a marxist. I did however live in a city quarter where many migrants from the ME lived, with the main street being presominantly occuppied by migrant shop owners and my experience was mostly positive. Particulary the people running a small restaurant were incredibly welcoming and friendly to a degree I rarely experienced before. We talked a lot and I made a few good friends there.
Novichok 2 | 5,218
15 Oct 2021 #895
my experience was mostly positive.

...because you never get the invoice from your "democratic" government for the "social services" and their criminal activities - both totally avoidable if you didn't let them in. Your "democratic" ruling class hides these expenses or prints money.

Particulary the people running a small restaurant were incredibly welcoming and friendly

An observation that only a wine-sampling professional childless tourist who never had to explain why nobody speaks German in his kid's school can make and not be embarrassed by its shallowness.

What a perfect reason to open the flood gates so that Tacitus can meet a smiling Muslim restaurant owner - the guy who when nobody is watching donates money to the jihadists and never cooperates with the police.
OP Joker 2 | 2,186
16 Oct 2021 #896
I just heard a British MP was stabbed to death today in a Church.. What the heck is this world coming too?

British counter-terrorism officers are leading the investigation into the killing on Friday of lawmaker David Amess, police said, as they probe the second death of a UK politician while meeting voters since 2016.

Either its a crazed leftie of muzzie.



jon357 69 | 18,457
16 Oct 2021 #897
What the heck is this world coming too?

Sadness
Novichok 2 | 5,218
16 Oct 2021 #898
Sadness my ass. No more candles, teddy bears, gay balloons, and holding hands.

Outrage. That crime was 100% preventable. I will repeat it so you, jon, and other wimpy leftists like you will remember:

Crimes by immigrants are 100% preventable. Just don't let them in.

Either its a crazed leftie of muzzie.

It's a Muslim pos from Somalia.

Sir David Amess died in a terror attack: Tory MP was killed in murder 'linked to Islamist extremism', say Met Police after he was stabbed 'more than a dozen' times as they arrest British Muslim of Somali descent, 25, and search two homes in London

I wonder if the dead guy was for Somali migrants.
jon357 69 | 18,457
16 Oct 2021 #899
Learn some manners.

Ideally somewhere else, rather than spewing out your bile here.
Novichok 2 | 5,218
16 Oct 2021 #900
spewing out your bile here.

Name one thing in my post that is not true. Bile is not. "Bile is a fluid that is made and released by the liver and stored in the gallbladder."

What the hell does bile have to do with a guy who was murdered by a Muslim pos from Somalia?


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