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Crow 146 | 9,254
1 Dec 2020 #61
I truly think that the problem will be solved politically quite elegantly

I was told the same to myself when sow how NATO warplanes moving to attack Yugoslavia. I didn't believe. But they did it in the middle of Europe on the behalf of the Muslims and Nazi ustashe. They realy did it. That moment I knew its just the beggining of much bigger troubles in the world.

Since then nothing is impossible.
dolnoslask 6 | 3,085
1 Dec 2020 #62
What would you prefer?

Nations that have facilitated knowingly or unknowingly illegal transit should be held accountable, quite simple really.

For instance France should be fined 20 million Euros for every illegal that has transited from France to the UK , the same for Germany for any of those illegals / undocumented invited by Germany who subsequently bleed out to other EU countries, same for other facilitators such as Libya.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,475
1 Dec 2020 #63
Nations that have facilitated knowingly or unknowingly illegal transit should be held accountable

You do realise that Poland is a transit route for human smuggling, right?

ec.europa.eu/anti-trafficking/member-states/poland_en#:~:text=Poland%20is%20considered%20to%20be,forced%20labour%20and%20sex%20trafficking.

Of course that would involve having to know something about Poland beyond super mocne.
Novichok 1 | 2,545
1 Dec 2020 #64
or unknowingly illegal transit should be held accountable, quite simple really.

Damn right. Under the rule: You let them in. Keep 'em.
That applies to every weak a-hole country like Germany and their Saint Merkle trying to fedex them to Poland.
Plus, all I hear is what a great asset they are.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,520
1 Dec 2020 #65
Nations that have facilitated knowingly or unknowingly illegal transit should be held accountable, quite simple really.

With what army???

When people reached France or Germany they have crossed already lotsa other countries first you would have to punish...good luck with that!

Other REALISTIC ideas?

Damn right. Under the rule: You let them in. Keep 'em.

Yeah...keep telling them that!

That's the main thing, isn't it....big on yabbering but tiny on solutions....in turn demanding the impossible from the governments instead. Face it, there are no easy, quick solutions.

I stay with the camp plan till someone comes up with a better one!
Novichok 1 | 2,545
1 Dec 2020 #66
Of course that would involve having to know something about Poland beyond super mocne.

That link you offered is a scurrilous lie. Here is a quote from it:
Children, particularly Roma, are recruited for forced begging in Poland. Men and women from Poland are subjected to forced labour in Europe, primarily Western and Northern Europe.

When we read "Poland", it implies the Polish government, just as "Merkle" means the German government. That article by the EC actually describes are crimes committed by non-Poles.

Bad move, delph.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,520
1 Dec 2020 #67
Funny is that most prefer France, Germany or the UK anyhow and wouldn't want to stay in Poland if asked, we don't have to keep them, they keep coming....so what's your problem?
dolnoslask 6 | 3,085
1 Dec 2020 #68
so what's your problem?

Just don't like the idea of people being put in camps better to deal with problems at the source, that's all.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,520
1 Dec 2020 #69
The source problem is that these people see what we have and want some of that too....and who would want to blame them. And the hellholes they run from are glad to be done with them...less mouths to feed...less possible troublemakers...less brains...makes the staying sheep easier to handle.

Sure, we can now dream THE DREAM, but seriously...you know as well as I do that this won't happen in our life time...so they will keep on packing their bags, pay the trafficker and hope for the best.

...and now what?
Novichok 1 | 2,545
1 Dec 2020 #70
Face it, there are no easy, quick solutions.

Then, face it, Germany does not exist. You are just a footnote in history books and an outline on Google map.

A country means a legal entity capable of protecting its culture and borders and actually doing it. In that sense, China is a country. You are nothing other than a refugee redistribution center. Same with France and Italy, two other weak-kneed weasel places.

Solutions? Easy. No welfare cash. No schools. No work permits. Emergency treatment only, and immediate deportations if they as much as jaywalk. Just let them sit and wait until the conditions back home improve. And plenty of cops in their zones, day and night. If you are low on cops, ask German civilians to patrol the streets. I would.

What are you afraid of? That the UN or the EU will slap you with a trillion-dollar per expelled refugee penalty? Give them the finger and continue.

Just don't like the idea of people being put in camps

If you make camps miserable enough, they will leave on their own. Plus, the first rule of dealing with cancer and refugees is not to let it spread. Like a pimple on your ass, keep it confined.

Also: never take a refugee without the documents. If you do, you are f***ed because no country will ever take them back.
Tacitus 2 | 1,214
1 Dec 2020 #71
Camps seem to be the only somewhat realistic solution so far, but even this solution is very difficult to implement since no country has so far agreed to hosting those camps.

@Novichok

Just goes to show how little thought you have put into your "solutions". Deportations are often not possible in large quantities because their home countries often only take back a few back per flight. And there are countries that may take decades to become safe again, and keeping people under those conditions would be stupid on every level. It would lead to them becoming dependent on social welfare, radicalize them and a lot lot of other problems.
dolnoslask 6 | 3,085
1 Dec 2020 #72
these people

It is not the people that are the problem , it is governments and politicians who are the problem, was it my mums fault she was sent to a camp in Siberia or was it the politicians / dictators ?.

The very mention of camps makes me feel sick.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,520
1 Dec 2020 #73
Then, face it, Germany does not exist.

Shouldn't you then throw a party or something?

Solutions? Easy. .....

I could do all that far better in a far away camp...

The very mention of camps makes me feel sick.

...and I don't want that. So it would be great if you could come up with a better REALISTIC idea, not involving camps. I'm out of ideas!
Novichok 1 | 2,545
1 Dec 2020 #74
was it my mums fault she was sent to a camp in Siberia

That was criminal and involuntary on her part. We are talking about the camps where the refugees would live voluntarily or get the f*** out.

It's like comparing the Israeli wall with the Berlin wall. Both are walls, but for opposite reasons.
dolnoslask 6 | 3,085
1 Dec 2020 #75
the refugees would live voluntarily or get the f*** out.

My parents were both refugees so I will bow out of the conversation at this point, but I would like to make a point that there is a distinction between economic migrants and refugees , the latter I believe should be afforded or the care and help possible.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,520
1 Dec 2020 #76
the latter I believe should be afforded or the care and help possible.

That's what most Europeans can agree on!

*follows Dolno out for Feierabend*
Novichok 1 | 2,545
1 Dec 2020 #77
the latter I believe should be afforded or the care and help possible.

But no more than the inmates get at the Florence Supermax: food, shelter, and no cash. That's it.

My parents were both refugees

Did they stay there or did they leave as soon as they could? Sorry for asking a rhetorical question.
The word "camp" got a bad rep. Camps are also the places where we camp and survive a hostile environment. As long as those in the camp are there voluntarily, no harm done.

Bottom line: As Iron and I already explained, when Merkle called them "refugees", she lied. She lied deliberately and with full premeditation since she knew that they were not refugees.
Crow 146 | 9,254
2 Dec 2020 #78
That's what most Europeans can agree on!

Agreed.

Bdw, Italy is lucky to have good relations with Russia. When happen Caliphate, Russia can accept them as refugees. Siberia is vast. Western Germans would be also wellcome I am sure.

So, no need to worry. There is solution for everything.
johnny reb 29 | 5,324
2 Dec 2020 #79
And there are countries that may take decades to become safe again,

And Germany wants more of these 'jihad refugees'. WTF !
Was this a jihad attack ?
Is this one of these attacks?
Possibly.
But given the establishment media's efforts to cover up jihad activity, if it is, we may never know.

Headlines again today..............
TERROR IN GERMANY: BABY GIRL MURDERED, SEVERAL people DEAD, Many Injured After Car Ploughs Through Pedestrians at Christmas Market

gellerreport.com/2020/12/baby-girl-killed-terror-in-germany-several-people-dead-many-injured-after-car-ploughs-through-pedestrians-at-christmas-market.html/
Novichok 1 | 2,545
2 Dec 2020 #80
But given the establishment media's efforts to cover up jihad activity, if it is, we may never know.

When a government resorts to lying or covers things up, that government is now a criminal organization and the enemy - just as much as the terrorists and the criminals they stupidly let in. Actually, it's worse because those who would try to defend themselves would be arrested and charged.

Such is the evil of Western "democracies".

My frustration is that no matter what we quote and say, the Germans here are still defending and excusing theirs.

Time to grow up, guys. Santa is a child molester and his elves slave labor
Tacitus 2 | 1,214
2 Dec 2020 #81
Was this a jihad attack ?
Is this one of these attacks?
Possibly.

Probably not. They published the guys first name and age. He is a 50- something alcoholic called Bernd and he was intoxicated when it happened. Not exactly the profile of an islamist.

My frustration is that no matter what we quote and say, the Germans here are still defending and excusing theirs.

Because almost all of your statements are a) vast exaggerations b) misconceptions or lies c) too absurd to take seriously d) a mix of this.
Novichok 1 | 2,545
2 Dec 2020 #82
your statements are a) vast exaggerations b) misconceptions or lies c) too absurd to take seriously d) a mix of this.

All that aside, my position is that governments consist of the most useless parasites a nation can produce. Hookers and pimps always score higher on the respect scale as they deliver what they promise. The scum you like so much does the exact opposite and gets reelected anyway.

Your position seems to be that your rulers are well-meaning and nice people whose mission is to help others to be safe and prosperous. People like me may be wrong, but we can never be useful idiots, go to fight stupid wars, obey, and be in awe of a screaming moron.

Now, whose position is worth emulating?
Tacitus 2 | 1,214
2 Dec 2020 #83
I mean it depends on the individual we are talking about. There can be little doubt that people like Putin are mostly interested in plundering their countries and that someone like Trump is fully incapable of considering what is not best for him, but the country. Otherwise he would not have made those baseless fraud allegations.

In Germany we were wise enough to pick a person with high personal integrity and who seems to consider what is best for Germany in the long-term. If Germany had not taken the refugees in, it would have likely destabilizee Southern Europe and possibly the EU, a nightmare scenario.

go to fight stupid wars, obey, and be in awe of a screaming moron.

But you are also less likely to follow government recommemdations at a time of a global pandemic, thereby endangering yourself and those around you. Besides, the world is not as simple as you make them out to be. There are indeed brainwashed idiots who follow their leaders every word, but they are not the majority, even in the US where said idiot lost his reelection.
Novichok 1 | 2,545
2 Dec 2020 #84
If Germany had not taken the refugees in, it would have likely destabilize Southern Europe and possibly the EU, a nightmare scenario.

How many were you prepared to take?
If you do not answer with a number without essays this conversation is over.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,520
2 Dec 2020 #85
my position is that governments consist of the most useless parasites a nation can produce.

Yeah well....but since we lack a better alternative I take this. Or do you have a better idea?
Novichok 1 | 2,545
2 Dec 2020 #86
Yes. Never accept what they say and be a cynic. Cynics never feel pain from being disappointed. When Trump lost I felt good because it had zero effect on me and all the suffering will be done by the morons who voted for Biden. I will get the popcorn.

Practically: NEVER vote for an incumbent. NEVER.
They grow into the super parasites as "career politicians" with the sole objective of getting their retirement golden crap you can only dream about and doing the same for their "loved ones".

There...
Novichok 1 | 2,545
2 Dec 2020 #88
To finish this conversation on the uptick, I admit that deep down I like you. You have been a good sport here, took the abuse in strides, and I appreciate it.

So, out of that affection and without any attempt on my part to be patronizing, I made it my mission to make you hate your rulers as much as I hate mine.

When I am not around anymore, see Dirk.
Tacitus 2 | 1,214
2 Dec 2020 #89
When I am not around anymore, see Dirk

The guy is not even as creative as you are. He just mindlessly repeats his talking points over and over.
Novichok 1 | 2,545
2 Dec 2020 #90
Maybe because he works and has only so much time for this forum. The fact is that I trust his numbers and his opinions are like xerox copies of mine. Hence, my recommendation.


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