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Will EURO 2012 be a proud moment for Poland and its people or set back Poland 20 years?


peterweg 36 | 2,315
18 May 2012  #31
Poland isnt like Spain (re barcelona) the cities and coast don't compare from a tourist point of view (trust me ive travelled the whole of Poland and Spain)... in the West of Europe what is a 2 hour train journey is a 12 hour nightmare in Poland and the fans will have had enough travelling to be bothered taking a 2 hour train journey to look at a salt mine or an unpside down house.

Well we will see how many fans come to Krakow, obviously none will be coming for the matches. But its a 2 hour flight from the UK.

Warsaw is a 7 hour drive to Berlin, you can drive from Holland in 12 hours. But you must be right. No tourists visit Poland, never will.
gdyniaguy 1 | 281
18 May 2012  #32
Peter

How far is Gdansk from Krakow.... what will the spanish, italians, czech and irish do to get between the two? A 2 hour flight??? a 7 hour drive??? Fail!!!

Hipis

25 years of following football around Europe and attending the various championships! .....

Stop comparing Poland to other European countries the imfrastructure is the pits! I've been to Germany, France, Austria and so on the believe me Poland has nothing to compare to them in terms of tourism.

Honour and Hooligans! really??? The English invented the football hooligan... granny, suck, eggs! If there isnt 1 bit of polish inspired trouble during euro 2012 ill eat my own arse.

'So have I and I've seen a hell of a lot of crap in Spain. Spain was a bit of a hole before it joined the EU back in the 80s and they've done pretty well out of the EU funds which have helped restore many of their crumbling cities, building new motorways, airports etc. Poland is still recovering from 45 years of a Russian puppet government (thanks to your government of the day) and has only been in the EU 8 years. Kraków, Wrocław and Gdansk have beautifully restored old towns so even if people don't venture outside those cities there's more for them to see and do than the likes of Newcastle, Sheffield, Manchester and Liverpool did back in 1996.'

so you knowledge of north english tourism as you say....Is this a fact according to you or a just rubbish attributed to a genuine study into the habits of tens of millions of tourists? the UK gets about 30 millions visitors a year and you'd be aive to thing that 100% of them stay in the south east...york, lincoln, newcastle, edinburgh, liverpool are all massive tourist hotspots Poland get a total of about 15million and has how many land neighbours?? fail

Really...Spain was never a hole. (epic fail!!!) and obviously you spent alot of time up north in 1996! I've lived in Poland for three years and probably seen everything worth seeing..really nothing special (zakopane (boring), salt mines!!, upside down house, rebuilt original german-built town squares and castles (covered in grafitti), foka's in hel....it's really is riveting) In fact the only thing that tourists come to see is the Holocaust in Poland....I've taken about 70 flights in the last 3 years to and from Poland and only ever met one tourist couple...says it all. By the way. I've struggled to scratch the surface of UK tourist hot spots.
peterweg 36 | 2,315
18 May 2012  #33
How far is Gdansk from Krakow.... what will the spanish, italians, czech and irish do to get between the two? A 2 hour flight??? a 7 hour drive??? Fail!!!

Its 99pln, one hour flight.

Really...Spain was never a hole. (epic fail!!!)

Right.

Is this a fact according to gdyniaguy

Only his personal experience counts, apparently.

My brother reckons he can buy England tickets for 50 euros. No demand, who wants to goto the Ukraine??
gdyniaguy 1 | 281
28 May 2012  #34
Its 99pln, one hour flight.

Hi Peter, try to book a 99pln flight.... the seats for those dates would have been 'blocked off' for the lower fares and so would never have been sold at 99pln!! epic fail!!! These people will be either taking a risk of the antiquated Polish railway (2 head on collisions in how many months?) or the unfinished Motorways (thanks to trusting the Chinese contracters, over inflated road material costs and the insular polish labour market)

Spain was never a hole... it was always comparable to parts of france, italy, the uk, ireland. Maybe they had a low wage economy but it was never a hole!
gdyniaguy 1 | 281
28 May 2012  #36
Or a massive dissapointment! I'm off to Tesco tonight stocking up because the millions that's are coming to Poland may clear the shelves!
peterweg 36 | 2,315
28 May 2012  #37
It may a proud moment for polish.

In the UK media there is apparently only one story - racism in Poland. Very few English will be coming, they usually buy many of the tickets for matches, so expect empty stadiums.

So the verdict is in, Poland is a nation of racist savages. Set back 20 years.
Ironside 47 | 9,574
28 May 2012  #38
Spain was never a hole

OH right ? and how old are you 65 ?
peterweg 36 | 2,315
28 May 2012  #39
Two people have contacted me so far today to ask if Poland really is as bad as its claimed. Poland is like the KKK days of Alabama, there is going to be lynching in the streets.

Great ****ing job, spend 40billion euro's to publicise Poland racist problem.
PlasticPole 7 | 2,662
28 May 2012  #40
It's great Poland has been given this opportunity to host such a popular worldwide event. It will give Poland a chancce to be noticed while noticing others. A lot of great things could come out of it!
Ironside 47 | 9,574
28 May 2012  #41
n the UK media there is apparently only one story - racism in Poland

In Poland and Ukraine, funny though that all examples of racist (famous Roman salute) come from Ukraine.

Great ****ing job, spend 40billion euro's to publicise Poland racist problem.

Alleged problem.
peterweg 36 | 2,315
28 May 2012  #42
Alleged problem.

Mud sticks.

From henceforth any complaints about using the term 'Polands Death camps', or reference to Poland's nazi past will fall on deaf ear.

It will be "Poland, a Nazi country in denial about it past".

Poland's football representatives have show the country for what it really is - a nasty bunch of racist animals.

funny though that all examples of racist (famous Roman salute) come from Ukraine.

Which genius decide we wanted to be closely associated with them? Really funny. You think anyone from outside Poland will differentiate?

Brazil have the world cup, to make sure their image was presented right they sent in the army - in tanks - to pacify the Favela's. What did Poland and Ukranie do about this?
Bieganski 17 | 906
28 May 2012  #43
It's always a laugh to read the dispatches coming from all these kumbaya expats and their long-suffering plight in Poland.

It makes you wonder why they ever gave up their own perfectly harmonious multicultural Disneylands to settle in Poland which is almost exclusively white (usually like themselves). Why on earth do they stay in Poland if they regard it as such a racist society?

We often hear the hindsight arguments that Nazi soldiers should have resisted and deserted. So if Poland is as bad as they claim then it only makes sense for these do-gooder samaritans (supposedly without a bigoted bone in their bodies) to up sticks and return to their utopias. Or better yet they should actually drop their hypocrisy and live the life they expect of others. I hear there are great opportunities throughout the third world. Cost of living is dirt cheap too. All you need is sunscreen and a smile.

And please, no selfish arguments that you have no choice because your work requires you to be in Poland or your wife/husband is from there. Make the sacrifice and leave and set the example elsewhere.
Ironside 47 | 9,574
28 May 2012  #44
Which genius decide we wanted to be closely associated with them? Really funny. You think anyone from outside Poland will differentiate?

Funny as in "funny". Well I think if they would say - Ukrainian instead of Ukraine and Poland they would, there is foul play in action.

Brazil have the world cup, to make sure their image was presented right they sent in the army - in tanks - to pacify the Favela's. What did Poland and Ukranie do about this?

Poland could put away for a time being those hundred or hundred and one idiots, and Ukraine could put all those thousands of chauvinists into gulag.

What should be done really - they should track down those forces who instigated that anti- Polish campaign and teach them the lesson. ( they will never do it)

It's always a laugh to read the dispatches coming from all these kumbaya expats and their long-suffering plight in Poland

Can't you read is not about some ex-pats perception is about news in western TV!
A Bad press if you will!
peterweg 36 | 2,315
28 May 2012  #45
A Bad press if you will!

Bad press. I'd say. Its all over the world. Every single news site, regardless of language is covering this.

Poland could put away for a time being those hundred or hundred and one idiots, and Ukraine could put all those thousands of chauvinists into gulag.

Shoot them, traitors. Agents of Putin.
gdyniaguy 1 | 281
29 May 2012  #46
Alleged problem.

Ironside the Poles and the Ukrainians are as alike when it comes to football racism. It stems from the fact that 99% of the populous is white and general ignorance.

Warning

xzqbq7 2 | 104
29 May 2012  #47
Why I am not surprised that this has not been answered?
Anyway, it deserves to be repeated, again and again.
gdyniaguy 1 | 281
29 May 2012  #48
kumbaya expats

First time i've heard that term. Nice one! It's the Kumbaya expats that are turning Poland from a communist backwater to the most successful economy in Europe, nay the world!
PennBoy 76 | 2,438
29 May 2012  #49
Idiots like Sol Campbell talking **** about Poland and Ukraine claiming it's dangerous to come there because there might be racist attacks and the BBC showing stupid one sided documentaries on it might set Poland back more, then actual events.
jon357 64 | 14,382
29 May 2012  #50
A rather good documentary. Perhaps you'd prefer they pretended there wasn't a problem.
PennBoy 76 | 2,438
29 May 2012  #51
A rather good documentary.

Hypocritical British documentary. Go to Racism in association football on wikipedia the UK takes up half the page:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_association_football#United_Kingdom

Most beatings (and killings) in Polish football are white on white. Like last years killing of a Cracovia fan killed by 20 masked Wisla supporters who butchered him with machetes.
nynicki - | 31
29 May 2012  #52
Lol,BBC should update their maps,since when Austria is next to Poland,also Yugoslavia doesn't exist anymore(at 2:28). Somebody needs 101 in European geography.Very biased and unprofessional journalism since all the matches were between local clubs,why didn't they show any international match?
jon357 64 | 14,382
29 May 2012  #53
Go to Racism in association football on wikipedia the UK takes up half the page

Probably because:
A. You read the English language wiki page
B. The UK has much more and much better football, and
C. The English and Scottish Associations have actually addressed the problem

Try harder next time.
PlasticPole 7 | 2,662
29 May 2012  #54
Most beatings (and killings) in Polish football are white on white. Like last years killing of a Cracovia fan killed by 20 masked Wisla supporters who butchered him with machetes.

Some people want to go to such extremes in sports.
gdyniaguy 1 | 281
30 May 2012  #55
Why I am not surprized that this has not been answered?
Anyway, it deserves to be repeated, again and again.

Why should i leave. I pay tax in Poland so i'm entitled to have a view on it. If the Poles don't like this view then 'don't take my tax' simple as!
Foreigner4 12 | 1,769
30 May 2012  #56
^Weren't you two agreeing on the same post on this very page?
gdyniaguy 1 | 281
30 May 2012  #57
what does this mean??? have the Forum-stasi given me a red card? It feel's like 1984 all over again!
Foreigner4 12 | 1,769
2 Jun 2012  #58
For those of you who partake in Polish television, I have a question: Has there been a lot of media build-up to Euro 2012?
I'm not in any of the tournament cities so I can't say for certain but I have noticed a lack of hulabaloo surrounding the biggest sporting event to be held in this country.
pawian 153 | 8,405
3 Jun 2012  #59
I am sure EURO will go fine in Poland. I am an optimist.

I am worried only about one thing. Do you mean what I know?
PennBoy 76 | 2,438
3 Jun 2012  #60
The Poland Euros should be full of fun and excitement with people enjoying themselves...


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