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Who is "the enemy within" in Poland?


Al Paca
11 Apr 2011 #61
Do you ever tire of these childish games of "gotcha"?

Nah, he never does. That's about all Jonni's got.

subsidized gasoline

OMG!
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649
11 Apr 2011 #62
OMG!

Why is it you neocons never want to do things that will help this economy, just hand out our hard earned tax dollars to failed corporations and scummy, worthless third world dictators? Hasn't it occurred to you if gasoline was subsidized, we might have never had a recession in the first place? A bailout might not have been necessary?
MediaWatch 10 | 945
11 Apr 2011 #63
Easily and logically.

So my suggesting that conservative people don't like living in poor conditions proves to you beyond a doubt that I feel there are no poor conservatives?? Wow great logic LOL

Not a gesture; it's the law. In Poland and wherever you live.

So all laws are infallible? The question is it morally right to burden taxpayers who aren't as rich as you to continously pay for, as you say, feckless and indolent parents raising kids when many of these taxpayers could most likely go into poverty themselves with these policies? I

A civilised society, where every child has as good a chane as possible, regardless of the quality of their parents

Its one thing to help people who are temporarily unemployed or have hard times through no fault of their own. But we are talking about here helping financially forever, feckless and indolent parents as you say. Is that really fair to other taxpayers? Especially taxpayers who are potentially vulnerable to poverty themselves?

Since you care about feckless and indolent parents a lot, why don't you lend them your house or something? That's what they really need. Its not enough just helping them with some modest contributions here and there.

How do you propose to change that? Abandoning them to their own devices which the widespread existence of slums and poverty shows is ineffective. Or some darker and less humane method?

Come on.

Do you mean a smart guy like yourself who has supposedly been successful in business can't figure that out? LOL

You make future policies that give these people incentives to work and provide for themselves. You would be surprised how many feckless and indolent people are no longer feckless and indolent when they know a check won't be coming to them for being feckless and indolent.

When you give free money to someone, it saps them of their desire to work hard or think outside of the box to produce something.

Wasn't your success running your businesses prompted by tapping your inner work ethic and desire?
Ozi Dan 26 | 569
11 Apr 2011 #64
just who is the enemy within in Poland, and why are they the enemy?

The 'enemy within' could potentially be those expats who would fight for their natural country rather than their adopted Poland, in the event that Poland went to war with their natural country, or vice versa.
Al Paca
11 Apr 2011 #65
That's exactly why the US internmed all them Japs durring WWII.
And we should prolly send all treasonous Libs to Gitmo until this whole terrorism thing blows over. Just to be safe. ;)
wielki pan 2 | 250
11 Apr 2011 #66
The 'enemy within' could potentially be those expats who would fight for their natural country rather than their adopted Poland, in the event that Poland went to war with their natural country, or vice versa.

People like delphiandomine are highly suspect, if a person arrived in the US and critised everything, he would be politely told to go home, why are people offended if the same is said for the blow ins in Poland who just come in and want to change everything.
JonnyM 11 | 2,621
11 Apr 2011 #67
So all laws are infallible?

Just the law. If real, grown-up people who work and vote thought that way they'd vote for some whacky libertarian party. But we don't.

many of these taxpayers could most likely go into poverty themselves with these policies?

Have you met many people who've "gone into poverty" because of paying tax? It hasn't happened in your lifetime. Tax rates are a percentage of income calculated on the basis of a combination of public need and the amount the taxpayer can afford.

Is that really fair to other taxpayers?

The children? Aren't they entitled to the best start in life that society can provide? Regardless of their parents' shortcomings.

Since you care about feckless and indolent parents a lot, why don't you lend them your house or something? That's what they really need. Its not enough just helping them with some modest contributions here and there.

Well, I pay tax at the highest rate! More than just "modest contributions", isn't it...

Do you mean a smart guy like yourself who has supposedly been successful in business can't figure that out?

Not supposedly! And as usual, you've failed to understand a simple point:

You make future policies that give these people incentives to work and provide for themselves

Not "you" but the government makes "future policies". Every government for many years has made "future policies". I've never seen a government of any party or in any of the countries I've lived in who have said otherwise. And none of those "future policies" has been especially successful. Except perhaps in your fantasy world...

no longer feckless and indolent when they know a check won't be coming to them

Go to the third world and say that. Or parts of north and east Poland for that matter. But you've never been to Poland, have you?

When you give free money to someone, it saps them of their desire to work hard or think outside of the box to produce something.

Maybe some sort of source for that. No, I didn't think so. :-)

Wasn't your success running your businesses prompted by tapping your inner work ethic and desire?

No. It was all about money and the opportunity to make it.

Not very bright, are you?
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649
11 Apr 2011 #68
So my suggesting that conservative people don't like living in poor conditions

Conservatives like poor conditions. They see it as progress. It is not. They refuse to find innovative ways out of situations. All they want to do is take away from others because they are so cheap. They don't want to compromise, only want to spend taxes on what they feel is important and it rarely improves situations at home. They have huge pickemup trucks so they don't notice when the pot hole in the road is two meters deep but the person in the economy class car sure does! They don't care though. They would rather have their tax dollars go overseas than to fix that homegrown pot hole in the road.
Bzibzioh
11 Apr 2011 #69
People like delphiandomine are highly suspect, if a person arrived in the US and critised everything, he would be politely told to go home, why are people offended if the same is said for the blow ins in Poland who just come in and want to change everything.

They know it, that's why they are coming to Poland where they can be all patronizing and offer their "expertise" on everything that moves. Even if all they can actually do is to teach English. Their own small island is a disappointing land of binge-drinking, sleeping around and fear to have any strong opinion other than 'whatever people want to do should not be criticized', which is no opinion at all.
Tymoteusz 2 | 353
11 Apr 2011 #70
Conservatives like poor conditions.

Us politicians are nothing more than two acting troupes. They get their orders from an international banking cartel. The coup d'etat occurred in 1913. Arguing politics is just silly. Independence without burdening your neighbor is the only moral thing to do. That being said, aiding your neighbor volantarily is the only thing to do. People seem willing to ask the government to take money by force from their neighbor and give it to whomever. The trade-off of course, is creating a group who can take anything you have at any time and give it to anyone. This has all been done before.
MediaWatch 10 | 945
11 Apr 2011 #71
Have you met many people who've "gone into poverty" because of paying tax? It hasn't happened in your lifetime. Tax rates are a percentage of income calculated on the basis of a combination of public need and the amount the taxpayer can afford

No fool. Of course nobody has ever said "I am now in poverty because of the taxes I paid". But if you don't think higher taxes on those who pay taxes puts a strain on them, you are delusional. Anyone who has a shred of knowledge of economics knows this. Welfare is one of the largest expenses of the US government and other governments. So according to you, its impossible for taxpayers to be exploited by their government and for the government to be unable to sustain its debt obligations, much of it being for welfare? You haven't heard of the huge debt crisis threatening the US and many European countries?

Not very bright, are you?

The children? Aren't they entitled to the best start in life that society can provide? Regardless of their parents' shortcomings.

Yes so lets make sure there is enough money for them and not give them incentives to strain the taxpayers even more. You Libs are always good at telling other people what to do with their money.

Go to the third world and say that. Or parts of north and east Poland for that matter. But you've never been to Poland, have you?

Wow that sounds exactly what Delphiadomine would say to me. You not only support his anti-Polish tirades but you are starting to sound like him virtually word for word. Gee I wonder why LOL

Have you been to north, east or for that matter western or southern Russia? Do you think Putin's government is giving all those feckless and indolent Russians there tons of welfare payments? LOL

Maybe some sort of source for that. No, I didn't think so. :-)

Wow another Delphiadomine like comment virtually word for word LOL

Listen Delphiadomine.....I mean Jonny,

If you have to ask me for a source to show that giving people free money saps them of their desire to create a business and work hard for themselves, then that proves to me all your talk about running businesses is nothing but crap. No successful business man would want "proof" that giving somebody continuous handouts saps them of their desire to be productive. That's common knowledge among successful business people, which you are not.

Not too bright, are you?

But since you are a moron about basic economics and that the key for starting a business is NOT handouts from anyone, here is a video on Freeloaders just for you. I'm sure you will be able to relate to it.

Notice how the Indians who get the least financial aid from the US government are the most prosperous of the Indian Tribes. The Indians living in the slums get the most govermnent aid!

FREELOADERS
..

No. It was all about money and the opportunity to make it.

What a dumb comment for somebody who claims to run businesses.

So having a desire and a strong work ethic has nothing to do with the opportunity to make money? You are so full of crap about your alleged "businesses".

Well, I pay tax at the highest rate! More than just "modest contributions", isn't it

LMAO!!!!!!!!! That's perhaps one of the funniest things you've said you freeloader.

You barely pay any taxes. For what? Your job of staying on the Polish forums 14 hours a day? LOL

You're just part of the Enemy Within freeloading off of Poland.
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649
11 Apr 2011 #72
People seem willing to ask the government to take money by force from their neighbor and give it to whomever.

Yes. You must pay taxes. That is paying dues for living in such a developed country. It's not just from your neighbor, it's from all Americans, including yourself. We pay taxes in this country. Why is that so difficult for people to understand?

What matters more than being taxed is what the government spends the taxes on.
Right now the government is pillaging our social security tax for crap that's got nothing to do with social security and that should stop.
Bzibzioh
11 Apr 2011 #73
Right now the government is pillaging our social security tax for crap that's got nothing to do with social security and that should stop.

I'm sure it's Conservatives fault too. Somehow.
Tymoteusz 2 | 353
11 Apr 2011 #74
MediaWatch

Are you talking about the Laffer curve?
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649
11 Apr 2011 #75
I'm sure it's Conservatives fault too. Somehow.

A lot of it goes on defense and military and don't believe this crap about defense spending is the tiny sliver of pie in the overall spending chart. The fact is, it's a huge amount of the budget. Nobody is honest about exactly how much it is because support from constituents will fail if people knew how much it really is.

You don't invade two countries and prop them up with a tiny sliver of pie. You don't keep numerous bases throughout the world open, and spend that much on weapons and personnel on it, either.
FlaglessPole 4 | 669
11 Apr 2011 #76
Their own small island is a disappointing land of binge-drinking, sleeping around and fear to have any strong opinion other than 'whatever people want to do should not be criticized', which is no opinion at all.

…but it is, much in the same way as your opinion that you should get even with just about everyone in vicinity for that 42 years of being breast-fed by your evil uncle.
Tymoteusz 2 | 353
11 Apr 2011 #77
You don't invade two countries and prop them up with a tiny sliver of pie. You don't keep numerous bases throughout the world open, and spend that much on weapons and personnel on it, either.

This was all done at the request of the banksters. It took me years to finally accept this fact. Look for it and you will see. The red pill is bitter indeed.

pillaging our social security

It is a Ponzi scheme that can't work anyways. The alternative is that we all send our paychecks to the government and they can send us coupons for the things everyone needs. Sound familiar?
MediaWatch 10 | 945
11 Apr 2011 #78
Are you talking about the Laffer curve?

As far as taxes go, yes I am.

Thanks for that information.

Anyone with any basic understanding of economics knows that there is a certain point that you can raise taxes to, like the Laffer curve shows. Taxes are based on how much the government spends and the government just can't tax people past a certain point.

This guy Jonny or whatever he calls himself, for some reason can't comprehend that, despite ironically claiming that he is a "business man".
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649
11 Apr 2011 #79
It is a Ponzi scheme that can't work anyways.

It's not a Ponzi scheme because the money gets invested in our growth, generating surplus revenues to prop up Social Security. It's a windfall severely mismanaged and used for other purposes at will of the congressman and president who want us to think it's this insignificant amount of money that can never be enough. It isn't enough because they keep using it for other things! It's a win/win situation if we can keep those greedy Republicans from putting it all into Afghanistan, Iraq and now, Libya, looks like, and who knows where else? They already put a lot of it into South Korea and Vietnam, not to mention Japan and the Marshal Plan in Europe. Now, they need somewhere else to spend it since they don't want to use it for what it was intended for. It should be for old folks, only.
Tymoteusz 2 | 353
11 Apr 2011 #80
This guy Jonny or whatever he calls himself, for some reason can't comprehend that, despite ironically claiming that he is a "business man".

People are used to the system that either they grew up with or personally benefits them the most.
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649
11 Apr 2011 #81
Or, he could be a dude that benefits from huge corporate tax breaks that wouldn't be possible without spending.
Bzibzioh
11 Apr 2011 #82
Now, they need somewhere else to spend it since they don't want to use it for what it was intended for.

And, of course, it has nothing to do with a simple fact that there is less working people contributing to it, and people generally living longer then when the program was first established.

I'm curious: where are you getting your knowledge from, PP?
Tymoteusz 2 | 353
11 Apr 2011 #83
It should be for old folks, only.

I agree completely. Problem is, Its a big pile-O-money that politicians raid to buy votes for the next election (read as corruption). Both parties are plenty guilty of this. If you want security in your old age, I advise you to have 6 children. I would do this myself, but sadly I was born with a penis. The necessity for constant growth in a system leads me back to Ponzi, Oh well.
OP delphiandomine 83 | 17,718
11 Apr 2011 #84
why are people offended if the same is said for the blow ins in Poland who just come in and want to change everything.

I don't want to change much here. In fact, things are quite good - we have a sensible President, a good Government with a talented Foreign Minister - all in all, life is fine here.

Jonny - doesn't it crack you up that despite MediaWatch endorsing Radio Maryja and PiS, he has absolutely no clue about their economic policies? :)

Tell you what MW - why don't you go away and find out who provides Jaroslaw Kaczynski's power base? There's one organisation with a grand history that does just that... and they're not conservatives.
JonnyM 11 | 2,621
11 Apr 2011 #85
Of course nobody has ever said “I am now in poverty because of the taxes I paid”.

So why did you say that?

But if you don’t think higher taxes on those who pay taxes puts a strain on them, you are delusional. Anyone who has a shred of knowledge of economics knows this.

As a maximum rate tax payer I don't feel especially under a "strain". Tax rates are calculated at a rate that people can pay.

Yes so lets make sure there is enough money for them

For once some sense. That money of course must come from the society in which those poor kids are part. Rendering your 'argument' useless since you're now contradicting yourself.

basic economics and that the key for starting a business is NOT handouts from anyone,

Something I've done twice with rather a lot of sucess. It's called living in the real world rather than sitting in a teenage bedroom pretending you know it all and spouting crazy theories about tax that you've never paid.

What a dumb comment for somebody who claims to run businesses.

So having a desire and a strong work ethic has nothing to do with the opportunity to make money? You are so full of crap about your alleged "businesses".

So now you're getting even further from reality and suggesting I do what I do for the love of it!

LMAO!!!!!!!!! That's perhaps one of the funniest things you've said you freeloader.

You barely pay any taxes. For what? Your job of staying on the Polish forums 14 hours a day? LOL

50% of my income actually to the government of Poland, a country you've never been to. From my job teaching BHP courses to oil engineers every alternate month. This month off, before that Istanbul, Mexico from Saturday. Though as of July I'm non-resident, so I get to keep it all.

This guy Jonny or whatever he calls himself, for some reason can't comprehend that, despite ironically claiming that he is a "business man".

Was. I sold them both to the highest bidder.

You're just part of the Enemy Within freeloading off of Poland.

Tin Foil Helmets again. BTW, how can someone 'freeload' off Poland?
MediaWatch 10 | 945
11 Apr 2011 #86
So why did you say that?

I didn’t say that. That’s the point. If you could read normally you would know that.

As a maximum rate tax payer I don't feel especially under a "strain". Tax rates are calculated at a rate that people can pay.

You paying the maximum tax rate?? LOL
Yes tax rates are calculated at a rate that people can pay. So lets keep it that way.

Jonny - doesn't it crack you up that despite MediaWatch endorsing Radio Maryja and PiS, he has absolutely no clue about their economic policies? :)

It cracks me up when I see you talking to your other puppet personality “Jonny”
I find it very interesting how you “and” Jonny say almost word for word the same things and how his writing style is virtually identical to yours. Gee I wonder why! LOL

For once some sense. That money of course must come from the society in which those poor kids are part. Rendering your 'argument' useless since you're now contradicting yourself.

No its not because I’m talking about the future especially the near term future. You sound very naïve about basic economics. Haven’t you heard about the looming debt crisis of the US and many European nations? The nations having the greatest debt problems are the ones with the largest welfare expenses. But I’m sure that’s fine with you because you think money grows on trees and you’re a beneficiary of these freeloader handouts. Its explains why you have 14 hours a day to be on the Polish forums.

Something I've done twice with rather a lot of sucess. It's called living in the real world rather than sitting in a teenage bedroom pretending you know it all and spouting crazy theories about tax that you've never paid.

What baloney. I’ve paid more taxes then you ever will.
Your comment is actually much more applicable to a freeloader like you. For you to characterize my saying that there is a limit to what taxpayers will pay as being “crazy” shows what an ignoramus you are. Only a fool like you thinks its crazy to say taxpayers have a limit. But I don’t blame you for saying it since you are a freeloader off of taxpayers.

So now you're getting even further from reality and suggesting I do what I do for the love of it!

But its true you do love what you do! The business you have using different personalities and coming on the Polish Forums 14 hours a day is something you enjoy very much! LOL

50% of my income actually to the government of Poland, a country you've never been to. From my job teaching BHP courses to oil engineers every alternate month. This month off, before that Istanbul, Mexico from Saturday. Though as of July I'm non-resident, so I get to keep it all.

You teaching about oil??? LOL In Poland?? What for? Poland has big oil projects going on? Really?
The only courses you might give is to other people on how to come on the Polish forum to critize Poland.

Was. I sold them both to the highest bidder.

Yes and I’m Santa Claus LOL

Tin Foil Helmets again. BTW, how can someone 'freeload' off Poland?

Why do you sound so much like Delphiadomine? Same words. Same writing style.
Gee I wonder why!! LOL
OP delphiandomine 83 | 17,718
11 Apr 2011 #87
You paying the maximum tax rate?? LOL

He's paying taxes, yes. Unlike you, who seems to spend his time in his bedroom ranting about conspiracy theories online.

What baloney. I've paid more taxes then you ever will.

Prove it.

We can get a moderator to compare your tax return with Jonny's. How about it?

You really do need to get out more - it seems that you have a serious case of paranoia if you think that we're all like you - a bum on welfare who leeches off the State.
MediaWatch 10 | 945
11 Apr 2011 #88
He's paying taxes, yes. Unlike you, who seems to spend his time in his bedroom ranting about conspiracy theories online.

How is Jonny paying taxes when he is on the Polish forums literally about 15 times as much as I am? Or even more. Is there a job where you can get paid to go on the Polish forums and do what you "and" Jonny do?? LOL

Prove it.

We can get a moderator to compare your tax return with Jonny's. How about it?

Why don't you "and" Jonny prove that you live in Poland?? Show us a picture where you guy(s) live?

What are you afraid of? Jonny "and" you have both said (coicidence? LOL) I don't ever come to Poland so what are you guy(s) afraid of?

Prove it.

We can get a moderator to compare your tax return with Jonny's. How about it?

You really do need to get out more - it seems that you have a serious case of paranoia if you think that we're all like you - a bum on welfare who leeches off the State.

Oh that's rich coming from somebody like you! LOL

You're accusing me of that when you have literally posted 9 times as many messages as I have in less time that I have been on this forum?? LOL

And why are you "and" Jonny so quick to takeover the same argument with me?

You "guys" are virtually finishing each other's sentences in your arguments against me and writing the same words. GEE I wonder why???? LOL


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