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Election marathon 2018-2020 in Poland


gumishu 11 | 5,017
27 May 2019 #811
. Where is the care for disabled (who need help more than well to fo families for example), hospitals, teachers and so on?

is your solution to those problems to vote for Koalicja Europejska - you may have never heard it on your favourite media outlets by the vice-minister of finances of the PO-PSL period stated that there was a premeditated move from about 2010 to make VAT system less fraud-resistant in the legislature and she warned the higher powers about it - just google Elżbieta Chojna/y-Duch + VAT fraud (preferrably in Polish) -various people as distatnt from the field of state finances as Rafał Ziemkiewicz warned already in 2010 that while other tax incomes see a rise as the GPA growth would suggest this is not the case with VAT - as I said I don't find the new social programmes responsible at least not the 500+ for every child - if there is money to spend because of higher tax incomes in various fields not just VAT then one could think of many issues to be addressed - but Polish people are to blame themselves for their ungratefulness that they aren't - 13th 'emerytura' is a plain 'kiełbasa wyborcza too' but I don't think it is there to stay -
gumishu 11 | 5,017
27 May 2019 #812
Since when judicary more dependent on politicians is the same as one without corruptions?

since when the judiciary that is a power under itself is a definition of a just judiciary - what I think a judiciary that is not answerable to the people in some way or another is an abomination and leads to corruption - just think for a moment the judiciary being the only power not controlled by anyone (this was the case in Poland - KRS was made up mostly of the representatives of judges) is a major power if not THE only real power - ever heard of 24 per cent votes for PSL under the judge Hermeliński in Krajowa Komisja Wyborcza - if judges can make rulers they control everything - I am all for the American model save for the Supreme Court where judges are electable - I also tend to favour the common law approach to the judiciary
Jaskier
27 May 2019 #813
Electable judges? My worst nightmare. Judges shouldn't worry about what ppl think. How else are they supposed to rule unpopular verdict and risk their career?

And do you really believe that politicians will be good for justice? How naive are you?
gumishu 11 | 5,017
27 May 2019 #814
Electable judges? My worst nightmare

yet it works in the states -and people are fine with it - and common law makes sense to them - the main obstacle for true democracy in the US is the Supreme Court I believe though - unpopular verdict is mostly an unjust verdict - anyway people need to learn from their own mistakes - if they see some unjust verdicts as popular they should face the consequences of their attitudes
Jaskier
27 May 2019 #815
Well sorry but USA was never my idea of well run country
gumishu 11 | 5,017
27 May 2019 #816
unpopular verdict and risk their career?

Well sorry but USA

oh yeah, can't compare the US to the Stalinist Russia or Mao's China (or even the spectacular efficiency of the Third Reich)
Jaskier
27 May 2019 #817
And there is nothing else to choose from? This or that? For Pete's sake I thought we are having a serious discussion and here you jump with crap like that. What a shame
gumishu 11 | 5,017
27 May 2019 #818
And there is nothing else to choose from?

yeah right I forgot about North Korea sorry - if you don't think a rule by the elite will always inevitably turn to rule for the elite you are naive - and well I guess you never read outside Polityka, Newsweek or Gazeta Wyborcza because there were thousands of examples how Polish judiciary system is unjust, corrupt or lets say prone to irregularities - maybe I live longer than you and alway read different titles - who knows

again - you may not be aware of it - but the Polish judiciary were the power unto itself - KRS which were mostly representatives of the judges and mostly even of the top judges (prezesi sądów) used to choose new people for the 'caste' e.g. appoint new judges - if you think all of them were impartial or something then you not naive you are just blind
Jaskier
27 May 2019 #819
Ok, again, you are giving silly argument. Does it really annoy you so much that someone may not like how things are done in USA? Why ot compare to UK, Canada, Germany, Sweden? The moment you start saying USA or totalitarian state you loose any argument.
kondzior 9 | 954
28 May 2019 #820
Electable judges?

Lawyers has always been the most hermetic corporation with it's root going deep into communist times. I have first hand experience with judges, prosecutors and assorted people. Its not a pretty view to mildly put it. Full of cliques, cronies, incompetent buffoons retaining their position for life because its impossible to remove a judge unless media goes medieval on his as. Self control among the judges and prosecutors is a joke.

Now when prosecutor general is minister of justice its a person picked by the parliament from unlimited candidates. Its way more democratic than picking one among the few candidates selected by judges and prosecutors.

Not a fan of elected judges myself but something needs to be done here, perhaps a mixed system or something.
Crow 137 | 7,754
28 May 2019 #821
When you my Polish sisters and brothers think to whom you should give your voice on elections, have in mind that now ruling regime in Poland using Polish army to train radical Muslims, mafia and terrorists. Is that what you wanted when you gave support to Duda? Poland to sponsor Islamic expansion onto Europe and Slavic world, on lands of your Serbian brethren. See, that is Duda. Moron Duda. Traitor Duda. Abomination Duda, that makes venerable King Jan Sobieski and great hero Zawisha Czarny suffer in shame in their graves.

As I heard today was incident on Kosovo when armed radical Muslims in police uniforms moved against Serbian civilians. Hungarian KFOR troops moved to encounter them and support Serbs but Italian commander prevented Hungarians from helping to Serbs. My question here is where were Polish KFOR troops at that moment? Why they didn`t help to Serbs? Is that what is now Poland? Is that it?
ExpatBasher
28 May 2019 #822
Hardly. Completely demolished would mean winning by a large margin, not 26-25.

The headline from Politico.eu (Washington Post co-owned)
"Poland's PiS smashes opposition in European election vote"
NoToForeigners 7 | 1,024
28 May 2019 #823
KWIK within leftards make so frigging happy! HAHAAHAHA
It's going to be even better in Autumn aahahahahaha
Crow 137 | 7,754
28 May 2019 #824
Poland will hit the mental wall, in any case, I see. It coming to Poles like fast train in the dark tunnel.

You know when would Poles awake? When Polish public see that Polish troops on Kosovo fight alongside mujaheeines against Hungarian and Serbian army. It would be just too much for decent Polish brain. Ultimate humiliation and heresy. Then will start hunt on Duda. Who knows what would Poles then do to poor creature, in the middle of Warsaw, when they put their hands on him.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
28 May 2019 #826
"Poland's PiS smashes opposition in European election vote"

Not a surprise that you couldn't find a Polish source, Biegsy.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
28 May 2019 #827
I was curious, so I ran a simulation to see how this result would translate into seats for the Sejm.

PiS: 232
KE: 197
Wiosna: 31
Konfederacja: 0
K'15: 0
Razem: 0
Polska FP: 0
PolEXIT: 0
JN: 0

Interesting to see that it would actually result in a worse performance for PiS. D'Hondt is a strange beast...
Dougpol1 32 | 3,235
28 May 2019 #828
ran a simulation to see how this result would translate into seats for the Sejm.

Don't panic Mr Mannering!
European elections do not necessarily reflect the state of the nation aka they mean close to fukk all.
Crow 137 | 7,754
28 May 2019 #829
FINISH HIM!!!
FATALITY!

Yes, something like that.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
28 May 2019 #830
European elections do not necessarily reflect the state of the nation aka they mean close to fukk all.

In this case, I think they do matter. It was effectively a referendum on PiS, and you can't ignore the results that show how people within 25km of big cities went rather heavily for PiS.
NoToForeigners 7 | 1,024
28 May 2019 #831
@delphiandomine
KE has to include more to their "alliance"... They can't invite deviants since those chose to support Biedroń. Maybe Reptillians, Martians or Eskimos to beat PiS lolololo
Dougpol1 32 | 3,235
28 May 2019 #832
you can't ignore the results that show how people within 25km of big cities went rather heavily for PiS.

Another reason to get the hell out of this country. I am now sick of it.
ExpatBasher
28 May 2019 #833
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Miloslaw 6 | 2,558
28 May 2019 #834
Another reason to get the hell out of this country. I am now sick of it.

Really?
I wouldn't rush back to England if I were you Doug.
The sheer indecisiveness and lack of positive direction here is mind numbing......
Nobody in politics wants to offer an opinion, just flannel.
All they care about is hanging onto their jobs...... they learnt this from The EU, who do it very well.
Which is one reason why we need to get out.
Then our MP's will actually have to work for their salaries.
Dougpol1 32 | 3,235
28 May 2019 #835
Nobody in politics wants to offer an opinion, just flannel.

Suits me down to the ground. I do know that the right -wing Tories and their concept of privatisation of essential services ( health) will not affect me in my life time. Because they will not win power.

MRI waiting list in the UK: 6 weeks. In Poland: 16 weeks.
Miloslaw 6 | 2,558
28 May 2019 #836
MRI waiting list in the UK: 6 weeks. In Poland: 16 weeks

Yeah,we still get some things right in The UK.
Despite the moans, The NHS is still amazing value for money.
Just ask The Yanks on here how much they spend on Medical Cover every month.
It will make your eyes water........
ExpatBasher
28 May 2019 #837
I'm sorry your Marxist paradise was not realised in Poland, DougExPol1, perhaps try Venuzuella?
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
28 May 2019 #838
Despite the moans, The NHS is still amazing value for money.

Absolutely. What the NHS does is remarkable for the public. Compare it to the confusing bureaucratic mess that is healthcare in many other countries, and the NHS comes out way ahead.

As for Biegsy, perhaps he can consider moving to Europe before commenting on Polish affairs.
Miloslaw 6 | 2,558
28 May 2019 #839
As for Biegsy

Who or what is "Biegsy"?
Dougpol1 32 | 3,235
28 May 2019 #840
Biegsy

PolAm adult - living in his parents' basement

Just ask The Yanks on here how much they spend on Medical Cover every month

Yes, but your right wing policies are making the American (or pseudo- Polish ) model ever more likely. British people everywhere have to fight the scum privatised healthcare model.

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