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Election marathon 2018-2020 in Poland


OP pawian 161 | 9,971
9 May 2019 #541
Those who are in fact agents, or agents d'influence, are not being invited to Russian TV

Hey, we are talking about pro Kremlin attitude expressed by Konfederacja guys, especially Korwin, many times. Don`t divert the topic. :)

Like in the case of "anti-russian" "anti-kremlin" ukrainian Lyudmila Kozlovska:

Hey, we are talking about pro Kremlin attitude expressed by Konfederacja guys, especially Korwin, many times. Don`t divert the topic. :)

pawian, do you often answer your own posts? I don't want to worry you but that's a sign of schizofrenia.

Hey, we are talking about pro Kremlin attitude expressed by Konfederacja guys, especially Korwin, many times. Don`t divert the topic. :)

A few days ago Korwin said: The Red Army is our ally in case Ukraine attacks Poland.
naszeblogi.pl/53330-korwin-mikke-rosja-naszym-sojusznikiem

Ok, I can see you are a bit ashamed of your fav Konfederacja`s proclivity to the Kremlin/Putin`s side. I would be too. :):)
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
9 May 2019 #542
It's especially interesting that the nationalists are also well known to be receiving Russian money, and let's not forget that the third player here - Kaja Godek - is also connected to PiS. One has to question the real intentions of such people.
OP pawian 161 | 9,971
9 May 2019 #543
It's especially interesting that the nationalists are also well known to be receiving Russian money,

Oh, has it been proven yet? I heard about it but only suppositions and rumours.

the third player here - Kaja Godek - is also connected to PiS.

PiS fears that Konfederacja might steal their voters and they are correct. Hence, PiS media attack nationalists. To be honest, Konfederacja and Korwin make it so easy.

Can`t they gag Korwin for a while to make him stop talking crap at least before elections? .:):)

In 2018 Korwin said: Putin for Poland`s President! :)
se.pl/wiadomosci/polityka/korwin-mikke-putin-prezydentem-polski-aa-oKAG-BoHQ-P1YK.html

Thank you, no more questions. :)
Ironside 48 | 9,900
9 May 2019 #544
Hey, we are talking about pro Kremlin attitude

Talking rubbish again. what attitude? While PO was in power with Tusk at the helm, he was sucking up to Russia, kissing up to Putin and what not. All who were asking about Polish interest to be defended where branded Russophobes and morons who what o start a war with Russia, while Tusk was a great politician who have sooo great relations with Russia and Putin personally.

So that was good. Now what the same people and the same media who were propagating that version 24/7 changed their story in the opposite direction. apparently anyone who is not warmongering, spiting at Russia and Putin or if he doesn't even say anything on the subject is somehow pro-Russian or a Russian agent/.

the fact of the matter is all that is just propaganda, simple 100% BS and crap of primitive propaganda to mudsling their political or potential political opponents. It is not even funny anymore. Just pure stinging manure.

people like you are just sh'''t slingers a lot like monkeys. Who is gonna respect you and your ilk if you act like that? That just a sad degree of moral degradation and decay. A Little sad man without shred of honor, pride or gravitas.
Miloslaw 6 | 2,560
9 May 2019 #545
Tusk is a danger to Poland
People who do not.see that are blind..
OP pawian 161 | 9,971
9 May 2019 #546
While PO was in power with Tusk at the helm, he was sucking up to Russia

Poor defence of those little trecherous nationalists. You are one of them so it is natural you are also defending your own ass. But in a stupid way.

We are talking about recent facts instead of the distant past. Tusk, as the EC President, is a staunch supporter of sanctions against Russia. And he never said that Russia is our natural ally, while Korwin did, so stop twisting things and equating Tusk with Korwin.

people like you are just sh'''t slingers a lot like monkeys.

Yes, as a pawian , I can even promise I will sling more sh.t on such hideus creatures like you and your pathetic sort - you are true bastards of Konfederacja Targowicka, ones of the greatest traitors in the history of Poland.

Who is gonna respect you and your ilk if you act like that?

You can stick your sick respect into the place called dupa in Polish. I am respected by decent people, true patriots of Poland, and I don`t care about such sleazy Putin`s ass lickers like you. When I have to reply to you, I always feel like throwing up. But I do it because it is my moral obligation to stand up to crazies who don`t care about the good of this country, but only want to gain power to get rid of your political and ideological opponents. And you don`t mind doing it with Russian troops` assistance.

It is not even funny anymore.

No, it isn`t. Nationalists are even more dangerous than PiS because the latter support the Kremlin inadvertently while nationalists - with full awareness.
Spike31 2 | 884
10 May 2019 #547
So why do you repeat things from the PiS mass media so often?

You may be surprised but not everyone who has a different opinion than yours is a "PiS follower". Start thinking outside of the box.

Also, those news were revealed by the British "The Times" magazine , hardly a PiS media :-)

Don`t divert the topic

I'm simply putting this subject in a wider perspective. If you're expecting me to stoop down to take part in the discussion on terms that you would like to rectict it to, you'll be dissapointed.

Not everything is as simple as "PiS" and "PO" shepherds has made you believe. To understand that you have to muffle emotions and make use of logic in your thinking. And also basic concepts of human psychology, because that's how humans and the whole societies (since sociology is a psychology applied to masses) are manipulated.

Kozlovska case is a very good example. Some prominent KE (PO + canibalised opposition) politicians were in close relations with her - an actual kremlin agent d'influence - yet nobody said that they are "russian agents".

So I'm waiting for any hard evidence of JK-Mikke involvement with russian security agencies and/or kremlin.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
10 May 2019 #548
It's interedting that you can't answer the question as to who in the Moldovan parliament produced such a report.

Just for fun, I can remind you that the Open Dialog Foundation is anti-oligarch, anti-Kremlin. The majority of seats in the Moldovan parliament are held by an oligarch and communists favourable to Russia. Therefore, anyone capable of thinking critically can do some simple mathematics to figure out why they might smear the Foundation in that way.
OP pawian 161 | 9,971
10 May 2019 #549
Mass media is a spectacle for dummies. What's invisible to an untrained eye is what's really important.

So, when Korwin says that Russia is a natural ally of Poland against Ukraine and Putin would be a good President of Poland, it is only a show for the media and I shouldn`t believe it because it is quite the opposite? Similarly, I shouldn`t believe when he rants against LGBT because it is just a show and in fact, an untraind eye can`t see an obvious truth that he deeply supports gays. :):)
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
10 May 2019 #550
Pawian, come on, we all know that those ranting against LGBT are also those who think that it's perfectly normal to spend weekends naked with large groups of men and no women ;)
Ironside 48 | 9,900
10 May 2019 #551
Poor defence o

I'm not defending anyone as there is no need. Rumors, slogans and mud slinging. Those are obvious desperate moves of those who have nothing else to offer. There is no need to defend, deny or react in anyway.

There is no substance to those slogans. Few taken out of context words? Phew! Facts? You make me laugh with your primitive BS.
I shed some light on the issue for those on PF who have no clue about political landscape in Poland. Exposing your lies. Nothing else nothing more.

I can even promise I will sling more sh.t

OK. I least you admit it even if you are not sincere about it. That something.

You can stick your sick respect

Hey, It not about me. To earn my respect is not an easy feat. You have no chance at all. I was talking about the fact you have no claim to respectability at all.

As to the rest. You are full of baloney as per usual.
Ironside 48 | 9,900
10 May 2019 #552
when Korwin says

Huh? So what? Korwin says and what? At least it is an option he talks about abet theoretical. Why such a hysteria?

I can remind you that the Open Dialog Foundation is anti-oligarch, anti-Kremlin.

Yes, indeed so anti-Kremlin. Yet the money came from the Kremlin. You disappoint Delph. As they say always follow the money.
OP pawian 161 | 9,971
10 May 2019 #553
Exposing your lies.

You can`t expose anything like that because all I said about pro-Kremlin attitude of Korwin and other guys in Konfederacja is true. These things are available for everyone to read - when I mentioned them, I provided links.

As I said, I realise you are defending your own ass but why so stupidly? Do you really think it is enough to say I am exposing and everybody will believe you? You are pathetic.

Korwin says and what? At least it is an option he talks about abet theoretical. Why such a hysteria?

Ok, so it is a joke on his part? How about this guy being one big joke? :):)
Option, you say. You know, there were already some guys in history like that who had had visionary options and then millions died in death camps. Korwin is the same.

You are full of baloney as per usual.

Of course not. Your love for the Kremlin has been exposed and you don`t know how to react, so you are going to attack anybody who claims so.
Ziemowit 12 | 3,608
10 May 2019 #554
Here are results of the latest (7-9 May) poll by the IBSP (Instytut Badań Spraw Publicznych - the only one which correctly predicted results of local elections in Warsaw recently). In brackets are the results of the former poll of 23-26 April.

Koalicja Obywatelska: 41,94% (37,69)
PiS: 39,04% (40,25)
Wiosna: 9,57% (10,97)
Kukiz'15: 4,97% (3,72)
Lewica Razem: 2,67% (1,33)
Konfederacja: 1,82% (5,60)
Other: 0,17 % (0,44)

Two highly publicised events took place between these two polls:

1. speech byf Donald Tusk at the University of Warsaw preceeded by a very controversial speech by Leszek Jażdżewski whose speech was so shocking for PiS that their propaganda talked about it over and over again for the three consecutive days, and

2. detention by police of an LGBT activist who delivered posters showing the head of the Virgin Mary of Częstochowa surrounded by an aureole in the colours of rainbow (the said rainbow being the sign of the LGTB movement).
Ironside 48 | 9,900
10 May 2019 #555
You can`t expose

You promised some more mud and you delivered. You kept your promise, congrats.
Ziemowit 12 | 3,608
10 May 2019 #556
Pawian, now you've provided links showing great admiration of the Konfederacja and of that clown Korwin for Putin, your two opponents have suddenly found themselves in czarna dupa ... No wonder that only 1,82 % of voters are going to cast their votes for those shameful nationalists.
OP pawian 161 | 9,971
10 May 2019 #557
You promised some more mud and you delivered. You kept your promise, congrats.

Again, zero logical arguments, only worthless ranting.

Exposing your lies.

Point to one single lie I have told within the last 2 days, since this message in which I mentioned pro Kremlin stance of nationalists for the first time.

https://polishforums.com/news/poland-election-marathon-84446/18/#msg1689957

your two opponents have suddenly found themselves in czarna dupa

:):) Don`t use such comparisons because they might think you are an antinationalist racist.

Yes, indeed, their situation is difficult, hence such mad fury from Ironside. :):)
mafketis 21 | 7,458
10 May 2019 #558
f the Virgin Mary of Częstochowa surrounded by an aureole

It's generally better to use the word 'halo' in English, aureole is too close to areola for comfort....
OP pawian 161 | 9,971
10 May 2019 #559
the only one which correctly predicted results of local elections in Warsaw recently)

Yes, I read an interview with those guys. They use a more accurate technique of polling people, they sieve off those indecided and only determined voters` opinions are taken into account.

whose speech was so shocking for PiS that their propaganda talked about it over and over again for the three consecutive days

In result, more voters have decided to vote for the opposition.
Ziemowit 12 | 3,608
10 May 2019 #560
better to use the word 'halo' in English

Thanks. I thought 'aureole' sounded a more celebrated word.

more voters have decided to vote for the opposition

Or, more liberal voters have now felt prompted to vote rather than to stay at home.

Detaining that poor woman was really comical even for the comical standards of PiS. The policemen themselves said they were embarrassed while doing it. She posed such a big threat to law and order.

Activists of the nationalist scum who were once hanging portraits of PO politicians (in the market of Wrocław, if I remember correctly) have not been touched at all. These are the deplorable standards of PiS and their admirers these days ...
Spike31 2 | 884
10 May 2019 #561
So, when Korwin says that Russia is a natural ally of Poland against Ukraine and Putin would be a good President of Poland,

In my opinion Poland should keep Ukraine on a short leash since the only thing that currently binds them together as a nation is banderism. Ukraine doesn't have any other history and political traditions than that since its conception just 350 years ago in XVII century. And let's not forget that Germans have used them against us before and during WWII.

So Ukraine should be kept alive weak enough to not endanger Poland yet strong enough to serve as a safety "bufor state" between Poland and Russia. Since I 'like' Russia as long as they are far away from Poland. The further, the better.

Does that make me a Russian agent? If so, where's my paycheck from Lubyanka? :-)

Korwin is skilled ideologist and insightful political columnist and far less skilled as a practical politician. Only a small fracture of a given society thinks logically. In democracy only those who aim for emotions can win the vote. And Korwin usually appeal to logic, like when he predicted an inevitable future problems of ZUS decades ago. ZUS, which is only kept alive now by our taxes and OFE robbery done by Tusk government in 2013.

Konfederacja is not just Korwin though. Korwin is counter-balanced by G.Braun, R. Winnicki and Marzec-Liroy who, to my surprise, is a really skilled and well spoken man and not just a shallow celebrity-turned-politician type.
OP pawian 161 | 9,971
10 May 2019 #562
the only thing that currently binds them together as a nation is banderism.

It is obvious you know little about contemporary Ukraine. Yes, Bandera is popular in Western Ukraine, while in central and eastern, no. What binds Ukrainians together is their patriotic will to maintain the independence and unity of their country despite foreign aggression.

Activists of the nationalist scum who were once hanging portraits of PO politicians have not been touched at all.

Yes, and I read recently they are making successful careers under PiS protection.

That is why I said they are more harmful and dangerous than PiS because if they won, we, I mean you and me, would meet in a concentratioin camp one day. . :):)

Let us see that memorable event again:



10iwonka10 - | 396
10 May 2019 #563
Detaining that poor woman was really comical even for the comical standards of PiS. The

Comical ? Maybe or maybe she should be grateful this was just arrest not shooting like in Charlie Hebdo magazine. Similar issue.
Ziemowit 12 | 3,608
10 May 2019 #564
they are more harmful and dangerous than PiS because if they won, we would meet in a concentratioin camp one day

Indeed. In that respect, PiS is undoubtedly better than the nationalists. Whatever you may reproach Our Dear Leader Chairman Jarosław Kaczyński, one thing is certain: his party has always been within the European standards, however autocratic PiS may seem.

not shooting like in Charlie Hebdo magazine

I wonder why you have ever thought of bringing those ISIS standards down to Poland? Are they a kind of reference level to you or what?
10iwonka10 - | 396
10 May 2019 #565
Reference level?

Maybe there are people who don't support PIS and are not even very religious but find act of this woman just stupid. What was the point of it really????

By offending they expect acceptance ?
Ziemowit 12 | 3,608
10 May 2019 #566
Reference level?

Yes, a refrence level because you compared the action of the poliice in Poland to something which has not even vaguely crossed my mind, that is the action of the Islamist extremists in Paris. How shameful of you!
10iwonka10 - | 396
10 May 2019 #567
Shameful ? It is shameful for you that you support this sort of actions. What is the point of offending other people religion. There is something called 'respect other people and other people believes' which I understand is alien to you.

It did not cross your mind? it did cross mine as we live in era of terrorism and most people are aware of it.
mafketis 21 | 7,458
10 May 2019 #568
What is the point of offending other people religion

it's called freedom of speech (or freedom of expression) if you don't support the right of people to express themselves publicly because you think it's offensive then you are no supporter of freedom of speech (and can't criticize the communists for jailing dissidents)

Arresting Podleśnej was stupid overreach by a government that doesn't recognize basic civil rights (there is no 'right to not be offended')

It also publicized the images far more effectively than anyone else... now people all over the world know the image whereas if the government minded its own beeswax no one outside of Płock would have ever noticed...
Ironside 48 | 9,900
10 May 2019 #569
Point to one single lie I have told within the last 2 days,

All lies and speculation and opinions. Like allegedly Korwin pro-Kremlin stance. That is a lie. There is no evidence for that. All he said is within range of a normal public debate. You rumble out some emotional stuff with not heads and legs and expect me to take it as some kind of argument?

Get lost and came backs when you learn to debate like an adult on a certain level would. If not just stay in your emotional kindergarten.

Again, zero logical arguments, only worthless ranting.

Aren't you a good parrot? Is that even means anything? It doesn't even make sense beside parroting me. Copycat.
Ironside 48 | 9,900
10 May 2019 #570
detention by police of an LGBT activist

Well, since she is an LGBT activist she should be charged with treason, an attempt to destabilize Poland founded by foreign money, a participation in an international organization with sinister and murky aims. lol

Seriously she should be changed with offending public sentiment, sowing discord and instigation to violence.

t's called freedom of speech (or freedom of expression)

It doesn't apply in Poland or the EU. The way you see freedom of speech is very American and good for the USA. I would like freedom of speech being introduced in the Polish law but still it shouldn't be a copy of the American system.

Poland has its own traditions and its own way with dealing with stuff. Agitators and such are not welcome. If that comes to the religious issues live and let live.

Such obnoxious provocation with the clear aim to offend shouldn't be allowed.

Podleśnej was stupid overreach by a government

They should take her into protective custody for their own safety. As the international 'opinion' is so pro-LGBT activist that bias as hurts. If she was a nationalist the police could have shoot her in the head of the middle of the street and none would give a dime. You and your civic rights lol

You seems to be detached from the reality ..some...

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