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Election marathon 2018-2020 in Poland


delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
7 May 2019 #511
if it's good for PiS it's good, if it's not good for PiS then it's awful and anti-Polish and needs to be stopped.

Which is almost identical to the rhetoric used by the PZPR.
bolek_tusk 3 | 243
7 May 2019 #512
If PiS is identical to PZPR what were the equivalents of PO and PSL?
Ziemowit 13 | 4,038
7 May 2019 #513
The type of rhetoric used by PiS is certainly very much like that used by PZPR. If you watch the main news bulletin on public TV (Wiadomości at 19:30), you will soon discover it is a party political broadcast on behalf on the PiS party.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
7 May 2019 #514
If PiS is identical to PZPR what were the equivalents of PO and PSL?

PO and PSL never used Communist rhetoric. Perhaps if you learnt Polish, you'd understand.

If you watch the main news bulletin on public TV, you will soon discover it is a party political broadcast on behalf of PiS

I wonder when they'll rename it. Perhaps something like "Television Journal" would be a nice name for the show?
Dougpol1 32 | 3,274
7 May 2019 #515
"Television Journal"

"The Peoples' Republic Today" would be a more apt title, given the circumstances of state theft of public television.
bolek_tusk 3 | 243
7 May 2019 #516
PO and PSL never used Communist rhetoric.

You don't get it. There was never any opposition to PZPR.... PiS have lots of opposition. People have lots of choices, but the polls have consistantly shown that PiS is way out in front of the rest. Even the combined opposition of this Bolshevik Coalition consisting of six parties which have wildly divergent philosophies cannot overtake PiS.

Keep living in your Bolshevik bubble, but don't pretend to understand the Polish electorate. They are not going to be brainwashed by the 90% German owned anti-PiS media.

it is a party political broadcast on behalf on the PiS party.

I have to admit that Wiadomosci's does include a lot of PiS propaganda, but TVN and Polsat provide even more anti-PiS propaganda. The worst part is that they don't even cover a lot of stories which show PO in a bad light.
bolek_tusk 3 | 243
7 May 2019 #517
It says a lot about the bitterness and jealousy of PiS that they voted against a Pole

It shows that Poland does not have confidence in him doing anything for Poland and this is completely vindicated since he has always sided with his puppet master Merkel and gone along with German interests rather than Poland. He would have been all in favour of Nord Stream 2 to help the Russians since he is in favour of Poland paying the highest gas prices in Europe.

You do realise he was in charge when agreeing the incredibly high gas prices with Russia which will still be in effect until 2022.
He didn't even try to negotiate a price - reeks of a backhander.

1prime.biz/news/_Report_Polands_ruling_party_to_analyze_contract_with_Gazprom/0/%7BFDEA4BF0-464D-4DB3-B4AB-1868A121190D%7D.uif
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
7 May 2019 #518
It shows that Poland does not have confidence in him doing anything for Poland

It shows that PiS are petty minded fools who preferred to vote against putting a Pole in one of the top jobs in Europe. Nothing more, nothing less. Fortunately, he was supported by 27 EU countries, resulting in the famous 27-1.

You do realise he was in charge when agreeing the incredibly high gas prices with Russia which will still be in effect until 2022.

Oh dear. If you're going to try that one, at least have some understanding of the topic. The deal was always subject to renegotiation, which was it - for example, here: premier.gov.pl/en/news/news/gas-prices-for-poland-over-10-lower.html - oh look, Tusk actually negotiated a change in the contract resulting in *lower* prices. Now, let's look at what the article has to say:

- This will be possible thanks to the amending annex to the so-called Yamal contract, which revises the pricing conditions for gas deliveries to Poland. The fuel is going to be over 10 per cent cheaper.

The amending annex annuls the wrong 2006 decision, i.e. the renegotiation of the Yamal contract, which resulted in an 11 per cent rise in gas prices, costing PGNiG PLN 4 billion until the end of 2011.



Which party ruled in 2006? PiS! So, who in PiS received a bankhander according to your logic? :)

Try harder.
bolek_tusk 3 | 243
7 May 2019 #519
@delphiandomine
According to

1prime.biz/news/_Report_Polands_ruling_party_to_analyze_contract_with_Gazprom/0/%7BFDEA4BF0-464D-4DB3-B4AB-1868A121190D%7D.uif

former Economy Minister Waldemar Pawlak agreed to buy 1 billion cubic meters of gas from Russia, which Poland didn't need.

Since when was Pawlak a member of PiS?
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
7 May 2019 #520
So, according to a report in a publication directly controlled by PiS.

Notice how nothing has been said about it for 2 years now. It's just another attempt to smear Tusk through allegations and insinuations, because they know they've got nothing on him. Meanwhile, they use the hysteria to cover up their own wrongdoings, including buying expensive business jets from Boeing rather than buying badly needed SAR helicopters.
Ironside 49 | 10,375
7 May 2019 #521
according to a report in a publication directly controlled by PiS.

jets from Boeing rather

One has nothing to do with the other.
Why you lump it together?
Buying stuff from a country that is in fact an enemy.
Wrong priorities in Boeing.

Don't vex me. You're one of those guys that knows better but enjoys to meddle and make things more messy just for the hell of it. You are bad.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
7 May 2019 #522
Buying stuff from a country that is in fact an enemy.

Like the huge rise in Russian coal imports by PiS, perhaps?
Spike31 3 | 1,726
7 May 2019 #523
And that's why we've got Konfederacja, which is an alternative to a current political model of political duopoly in Poland. It's also the only viable politial option which would like to reduce taxes and beaurocracy instead of increasing it even further.
cms neuf - | 1,666
7 May 2019 #524
Fair enough - go and vote for Konfederacja - nobody is stopping you. Some lower taxes would be nice
bolek_tusk 3 | 243
7 May 2019 #525
Like the huge rise in Russian coal imports by PiS, perhaps?

Not sure this is true, but if it is they will be even greater after PO shut down all the Polish coal mines which they have promised to do.
Ironside 49 | 10,375
7 May 2019 #526
Like the huge rise in Russian coal imports by PiS, perhaps?

Sure thing. I am not sure why they do it. Some EU regulations or some shay deals i.e. someone makes money on that.

nd that's why we've got Konfederacja

They are good only for the Eu election. Such a massy coalition won't stand a chance in Polish elections. Korwin? - FFS! ah and that Braun - he doesn't belongs in politics..

PO

Po was bad and rotten like hell. There is no question about it. Yet PiS is in charge and they need some forces to keep them in check. Like patriotic right. That PO and all bunch of post-commie trash are just no able to do anything right, they just mess things up for Poland and are a useful tool for the foreign interest to meddle.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
7 May 2019 #527
Not sure this is true

money.pl/gospodarka/wiadomosci/artykul/rosyjski-wegiel-zalewa-polske-z-roku-na-rok,243,0,2416627.html?fbclid=IwAR20QD-96Tr64nANVbkGjaMw9rjUj-deyKIHWeBJ7aQ4wnPl5xmjGxzdPuE

after PO shut down all the Polish coal mines which they have promised to do.

Except...

energia.rp.pl/surowce-i-paliwa/wegiel/13224-import-wegla-idzie-rekord-glownie-rosji?fbclid=IwAR0F9geBXlz0KEbRW3_h_B4VNA2pIcDT5Bm7wDWjcJ-n_Q3Kp4YSEA7dREo

PiS are the party of Russian coal.
Spike31 3 | 1,726
7 May 2019 #528
Fair enough - go and vote for Konfederacja - nobody is stopping you. Some lower taxes would be nice

I will. Right now I'm encoraging the others to do it as well.

Lower taxes not only increase a purchasing power of citizens but also attract investments

They are good only for the Eu election.

Once they get a decent results in the EU elections they'll converge.

Do I have to remind you that PiS and KE are also political coalitions?
OP pawian 171 | 12,080
8 May 2019 #529
Campaign in full swing

Poland`s future - great choice



delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
8 May 2019 #530
Do I have to remind you that PiS and KE are also political coalitions?

What took the nationalists and Korwinists so long to form a coalition, anyway?
cms neuf - | 1,666
8 May 2019 #531
Probably that people with string views about individualism find it difficult to work in coalitions
Ziemowit 13 | 4,038
8 May 2019 #532
go and vote for Konfederacja - nobody is stopping you.

Most Poles have not heard of Konfederacja ...

Konfederacja twoja stacja! Wszyscy wysiadać!
Dougpol1 32 | 3,274
8 May 2019 #533
Poland`s future - great choice

Except that we all know that the electorate is too young in terms of democratic choice to do the right thing and 4 more years of ideological claptrap and reckless decision making will follow. And if there is a financial downtown during this period then we can expect some nasty scenarios in terms of PIS's spending priorities, as in, there will be no money for projects that really matter.

I am rather curious. How come old town centres like Elblag have been completely and quite magnificently rebuilt recently but literally hundreds of equally historic old towns in such as Gniezno remain as slums?
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
8 May 2019 #534
Largely down to local councils, to be honest. Some of them are excellent and proactive when it comes to applying for funding, some of them are absolutely terrible. Elbląg also has the benefit of being the second major city in the province, whereas Gniezno has the problem of being a provincial town in a province where there are far more important places.
Dougpol1 32 | 3,274
8 May 2019 #535
whereas Gniezno has the problem

I prefer the theory Delph that anything more than around 80 years old has some weird preservation order on it - when in fact half of old Gniezno was slums anyway - undamaged by war, and seriously needs pulling down, or at least behind the facades.

This is very annoying, that individual owners are caught in a catch 22 situation, where they can't sell, even if they hold the deeds, because the property, in its' present state, with sitting tenants etc is pretty nigh worthless.

In the meantime, most Polish authorities seem to be in no hurry and assume that inner city regeneration is a 200 year ongoing project. They need a ******* bomb under their arses.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
8 May 2019 #536
Oh, yeah, that too. It can be an absolute nightmare, as they can often insist on things being done that have no basis in reality. I know someone that was told to reconstruct a facade that never existed there, and the person responsible refused to grant permission unless this facade was constructed. He walked away, because it was obvious nonsense.

Sitting tenants are a whole different problem. I spoke to one Irish guy a few years back who said that after trying everything, including offers of alternative property, he finally snapped and got some Ukrainians to forcibly remove them in the middle of the night. I can understand him, because until he did that, there were nearly 60 flats lying empty because of the actions of three tenants.
OP pawian 171 | 12,080
8 May 2019 #537
Konfederacja twoja stacja! Wszyscy wysiadać!

All passengers are kindly requested to leave Konfederacja and PiS trains at the Independence station. :):)
OP pawian 171 | 12,080
9 May 2019 #538
All passengers are kindly requested to leave Konfederacja and PiS trains at the Independence station.

Not without a good reason.

And that's why we've got Konfederacja, which is an alternative to a current political model of political duopoly in Poland

Can you tell us more about Konfederacja`s pro Russian attitude? Korwin openly admitted a few times that Kremlin`s Russia is our friend.

How will you comment on this news?
Korwin is the most favourite Polish politician of Russian media:
telewizjarepublika.pl/targalski-janusz-korwin-mikke-to-ulubieniec-prasy-rosyjskiej,79402.html

Their candidates to EP go to Crimea with Korwin where they support its annexation by Russia and defend Soviet monuments in Poland, claiming they shouldn`t be pulled down.

wpolityce.pl/polityka/444519-szokujace-poglady-kandydatki-konfederacji-do-pe

Another article: Russian soft Power in Poland: Kremlin and pro Russian organisations.
politicalcapital.hu/pc-admin/source/documents/PC_NED_country_study_PL_20170428.pdf

Isn`t it another version Konfederacjs Targowicka, famous traitors of Poland from the past? :):)

What is your opinion on Russian close ties of your favourite Konfederacja? :):)


  • Korwin on Russian TV
Spike31 3 | 1,726
9 May 2019 #539
That's a very simplistic way of thinking.

Those who are in fact agents, or agents d'influence, are not being invited to Russian TV or openly backed by russian side but rather completely not spoken about or even oficially treated as an enemies of the state. Like in the case of "anti-russian" "anti-kremlin" ukrainian Lyudmila Kozlovska:

"Two British companies are said to have laundered more than £26m, some of which was used to fund an organisation accused of working with Russian security agents to spread misinformation and destabilise countries opposed to Vladimir Putin's regime.

Evidence compiled by the Moldovan parliament suggests that about £1.5m washed through the accounts of two firms in Glasgow and Edinburgh ended up in the bank account of the Open Dialogue Foundation (ODF), a Warsaw-based non-governmental organisation.

Its director, Lyudmyla Kozlovska, was banned from travelling in the European Union last August."


thetimes.co.uk/article/british-firms-linked-to-dirty-money-used-against-putin-opponents-z7sczkxtz

Mass media is a spectacle for dummies. What's invisible to an untrained eye is what's really important.

I'm glad that there are those coordinated attackes on Konfederacja directed by the ruling party and mainstream media alike. That means that Konfederacja truly has a chance to make an impact in the upcoming elections.

PS: @pawian, do you often answer your own posts? I don't want to worry you but that's a sign of schizofrenia.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
9 May 2019 #540
Tell us more. Who in the Moldovan parliament came up with such information?

Mass media is a spectacle for dummies.

So why do you repeat things from the PiS mass media so often?

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