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Election marathon 2018-2020 in Poland


dolnoslask 6 | 2,934
4 May 2019 #391
Poles haven't yet fully learnt your lesson from your communist past.

Ohh that hurts, did we choose to be communist? or was it chosen for us by the people we fought for and considered our allies during WWII, xenophobic people like you Doug and your countrymen gave us a dose of communism when you sold us at Yalta.

Anything else you wish to lecture us on, can I expect any better from a man who comes from a nation who's wealth comes from imperialist slavery and colonialism, do you think that all the black people in Africa have learned their lesson from the dose of colonialism they received from your people.

Your true colours and xenophobia has shown through here , funny how you have a pretence of liking Poland but only when it suits you to do so.
bolek_tusk 3 | 225
4 May 2019 #392
Most of them were simple political decisions introducing changes into the system.

So karuzela vatowska was a political decision? Very likely. I'm sure a great number of PO politicians made big zloty out of the 250 mld zloty which 'disappeared'.

wpolityce.pl/polityka/352837-250-miliardow-strat-wojna-z-mafia-i-podejrzana-bezczynnosc-w-czasach-rzadow-po-psl-top-10-faktow-ktore-musisz-wiedziec-o-aferze-vat
bolek_tusk 3 | 225
4 May 2019 #393
Tony Blair's Labour - the difference being that the worlds' 5th largest economy could afford socialism

Actually Tony Blair's New Labour was a rebranding of Labour after dropping Clause 4 of the party's constitution and abandoning most of the looney left policies, so not really all that Socialist.
Dougpol1 31 | 2,640
4 May 2019 #394
did we choose to be communist?

Don't be so touchy Dolno. Bolek said that Walesa was a wrong 'un. Now you said yourself that communism taught Poles that it was everybody for himself. I was stating that most of the Polish elite or people of a certain age and substance came up against the communists at some stage.

My wife was imprisioned for overstaying her UK visa by a month. She was asked to inform, and threatened with rape if she didn't. She told them she couldn't help them as she had no info on her fellow students, being "no - friends". So they let her go after 14 hours, the Katowice scum.

Her mate at uni - she was caught drink driving. Yearts later she admitted to wifey that she had signed up in much the same way as my girl had managed to fight them off.

Now - who's to say what WE would have done?
But Bolek has the fukking cheek to bleat on about one of the greatest Poles and what his leadership group did for his country - and yet you criticise me?

Hilarious.
10iwonka10 - | 395
4 May 2019 #395
Families with 3,4 children, ye

So I guess it is what was expected. if we wanted for more children to be born in Poland - bigger families needed supporting as finance are harder for them.

As long as these are normal working families ( not pathology) it is perfectly fine and acceptable in my opinion.
Dougpol1 31 | 2,640
4 May 2019 #396
so not really all that Socialist.

Tell that to the Tories. I refer you to the Social Charter (a much more sensible fair deal for families than PIS's programmes designed to take away the ambition to actually do a day's work) The Tories fought it tooth and nail.

As long as these are normal working families

You don't seem to realise what's going on. You can't find somebody to clean your offices in Dabrowa Gornicza because the lady of the house doesn't have to work. social handouts are more enticing.
10iwonka10 - | 395
4 May 2019 #397
And obviously don't wish to, as it's in the blood.

I am not sure if you as a foreigner are the best person to judge it. You were not born and brought up in Poland . Even with learning language and living in Poland for a while not sure if you understand so deeply our history and mentality.

As for me not living (working) in Poland- I don't live in Poland now but I am polish and I have property in Poland and I am interested in my country.

Saying the same way I also have to take lots s...t in UK.

Unfortunately there is no perfect country anywhere....
dolnoslask 6 | 2,934
4 May 2019 #398
She was asked to inform, and threatened with rape

Open the files and bring these $astards to justice, it is the only way for Polish politics to move forward we need to remove this legacy scum that stil infect the corridors of power.

As you mention your wife was asked to inform, and my family was informed on in the uk, I need names of people that I need to visit back in blighty to drink tea and catch up on the past.
bolek_tusk 3 | 225
4 May 2019 #399
to bleat on about one of the greatest Poles and what his leadership group did for his country

Do you think other members of this group such as Anna Walentynowicz or Andrzej Gwiazda would have a good word to say for Walesa? The answer is NO.
10iwonka10 - | 395
4 May 2019 #400
because the lady of the house doesn't have to work.

you talk rubbish to be honest- is it any different in UK or any other country in west Europe????

There will be always small amount people who use and abuse it but what is the percentage???so big really? What about working class families on small income for whom this 500 is huge help.

That is what I meant about extreme not objective opinions in the style ' I don't like PIS so whatever they do it is wrong' I guess if it was introduced by PO it would be great decision.

I don't even like PIS much but it is getting just childish.

We don't talk about certain decision and impact of it but if it was taken by PO or PIS.
Ironside 53 | 12,363
4 May 2019 #401
I find it an interesting twist.

Nothing interesting here if you stop listening to leftist preachers here (Delph, dough) or some random people.

If you take my word for it that PiS is in fact a centrist party that uses all that patriotic, anti-communist rhetoric to attract voters all become clear to you. They are all for the EU, one Kaczynski even signed N- treaty. None forced him to do it.
Dougpol1 31 | 2,640
4 May 2019 #402
Unfortunately there is no perfect country anywhere....

Ain't that the truth. I happen to agree with Dolno though that such traitors as he refers to should have been punished. Too late now. Instead the government prefers a witch hunt on those that they can pick off. Often when I ride the SKM I look across at some old boy, and think was he one of the ZOMO, or one of the soldiers who murdered those poor young boys at Stocznia in 1970, because he has that certain "different" swagger.

If I were Polish and could identify such, I really couldn't say what I would be prepared to do in a dark alley (it's that Irish blood again) One of my best pals (who helped me buy my wonderful dog) heard the shots from his flat, and often talks tearfully of that day when he's on the whisky - instead of letting him get it off his chest, his wife tells him to shut up ( no idea why...)

I expect they are an Inter-party couple, Edit - different politics couple, and that would never work for many. If I had argued politics with the wife I would have been out of prison by now (boom,boom)

I don't even like PIS much but it is getting just childish.

Says you. Some of us work for a living and pay ridiculous business ZUS while those lazy fukkers stay at home with their handouts. Do you expect me to suck up to the people who waste my childs' future by so doing?
Dougpol1 31 | 2,640
4 May 2019 #403
If you take my word for it that PiS is in fact a centrist party

But.......you know nothing. We don't pretend to know about where you live - so don't preach to us about what PIS is or isn't. You don't know what's going on, apart from what you read in the right-wing Polonia free newspaper on your commute to work.
10iwonka10 - | 395
4 May 2019 #404
I don't know about ZOMO but when I was in primary school there was girl whose dad was quite high in Police ( UB) and she told me that she was frightened as she heard that Solidarity people have addresses and would come and kill children of people like her dad ....it sounds ridiculous now but Society was divided and still is in this aspect.

My mum in 1970 -ties worked as accountant . She was very good but she was told that to be promoted as an Account Manager she would have to join party ( PZPR). She never did.

Child benefits .......What about UK - all generations provided with houses, benefits ( not just 500zl) never worked day in their life but than some hard working Brit can't get proper treatment on NHS as there is not money. There is much more inequality in UK than in Poland so I am surprised that you are so agitated.
Dougpol1 31 | 2,640
4 May 2019 #405
Anna Walentynowicz or Andrzej Gwiazda would have a good word to say for Walesa? The answer is NO.

Of course not. And what party doesn't have factions? Nobody said Walesa is an intelligent man - but what we do know is that the communists tried to smear him to prevent his bein g awarded the Nobel prize. Why did that attempt faail?

The only reason that Walesa is a hero of the Polish state is that he had the talent or way within him to address the governmnet delegations; a spokesperson, chosen by his own kind because of his past activity.

And were all of those people (his workmates) all mugs? Don't think so.
dolnoslask 6 | 2,934
4 May 2019 #406
have to join party ( PZPR). She never did.

fantastic
Dougpol1 31 | 2,640
4 May 2019 #407
Society was divided and still is in this aspect.

Nowadays is a new generation. But what in my post angered you about Poles having something in their blood......people who hated communist rule and suffered under it (your mum, not getting a promotion..) still bought Jurelzelskis' books, and then a few years back tuned into Tomasz Lis's infamous "non" interview.

The bloke should at the least have been sent to the Polish equivalent of St Helena and never heard of again - instead of moving to France to retire ungracefully, yet your nation indulged him, and encouraged him to "explain".

And it is my concern, because I emotionally supported my much loved Polish family during those years, years which can scar certain people more than others, who are more able to move on.
bolek_tusk 3 | 225
4 May 2019 #408
we need to remove this legacy scum that stil infect the corridors of power.

Exactly. Likes of Stefan Michnik, the brother the editor of Gazeta Wyborcza was a judge who sentenced lots of members of Armia Krajowa to death still has compatriots among the higher echelons of the corrupt ('Independent') judiciary. They remain untouchable, as are the muderers of Ks Popieluszko.
Ironside 53 | 12,363
4 May 2019 #409
But.......you know nothing.

Oh .... I mean according to you. A person who wouldn't be able to read a book in Polish with any sort of comprehension. Do you really feel like competing with me and my knowledge of all things Polish. Just because (allegedly) I don't live in Poland? How about the Internet, family , personal contacts? Don't be absurd.

Also you assume that while I'm talking about PiS as a centrist party it is some kind of defence of them. Nah, the opposite is true. It is one of their many flaws.

I just give a factual description of the status quo. While you and some other ex-pat-pat par tou are just talking nonsense heavily intoxicated by your ideological bias.
Dougpol1 31 | 2,640
4 May 2019 #410
much more inequality in UK than in Poland

Absolute nonsense. In my case anyway. Why do you think I am retiring back to the UK? Here I would get a paupers' pension after 30 years of ZUS and paying business ZUS for 24 years of that. Pensioners pay for their medicines (a scandal) and you get a free bus pass when you are deaths' door.

Poland - no thanks. I doubt very much that many Poles of my age will be making their way over here either ( unless they're rolling in the green stuff - they will need it).

I don't know, Ironside. We already agree that PIS are a socialist party. My position is that Poland is too poor for socialism and I don't enjoy working long hours and paying my taxes while others recieve handouts for not much other than that they had lead in their pencil, and the benefits are not necessarily directed at those who are most in need.
dolnoslask 6 | 2,934
4 May 2019 #411
I doubt very much that many Poles of my age will be making their way over here

But they are, they are growing in numbers, a British pension goes a long way in Poland, many are descendants of the exiled returning to their roots, after fulfilling their family obligations, and all will be PIS supporters.
Dougpol1 31 | 2,640
4 May 2019 #412
a British pension goes a long way in Poland

Very true! No JD weatherspoons though:)
bolek_tusk 3 | 225
4 May 2019 #413
Anna Walentynowicz had a lot to say about Walesa....

This is a bit of an eye opener

wzzw.wordpress.com/2016/02/21/%E2%96%A0%E2%96%A0-list-sp-anny-walentynowicz-miazdzacy-klamce-lecha-walese/
bolek_tusk 3 | 225
4 May 2019 #414
after fulfilling their family obligations, and all will be PIS supporters.

That would certainly include me. I was brought up to know what Communists stood for and can see how PO and it's Bolshevik Coalition is inextricably linked with Poland's PRL past from the way they dealt with protesters when in power to the way they cling on to remnants of the past like a corrupt judiciary.
Dougpol1 31 | 2,640
4 May 2019 #415
Poland's PRL past

As Iwonka stated - a hopelessly split country politically. A bit like the UK and America, but they are established democracies and all we are doing here is scoring points and shooting ourselves in the foot.

Poland today is reaping the rewards of years of market investment BP (Before PIS). None of my family will still be in Poland in 5 years to help to pay for the social handouts in terms of the inevitable higher business taxes and interest rates. Enjoy.

Oh hang on a minute! Neither will you! I clean forgot!
OP pawian 221 | 23,982
4 May 2019 #416
This is a bit of an eye opener

Yes, eye opener but why so partial? :) I noticed you give us links only to rightist pro PiS articles. Can`t you be more objective as Iwonka requested?

but it is getting just childish.

Yes, but you see what bolek is doing. We can`t leave his rubbish unanswered just like that. If not contradicted, someone might visit here and even believe all his crap.

I don't like PIS so whatever they do it is wrong' I guess if it was introduced by PO it would be great decision.

You are wrong. We are also able to critizise PO. But we did it when they were in power - now, when they are in the opposition, attacking them would be unfair.

https://polishforums.com/news/poland-failures-tusk-government-51598/

That is why we are attacking PiS because they are ruling now and they are repeating the same mistakes and making new ones, even greater scandals than PO ever contributed to.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,163
4 May 2019 #417
to know what Communists stood for and can see how PO and it's Bolshevik Coalition is inextricably linked with Poland's PRL past

So why are you closing your eyes to the PRL past of PiS?

In your eyes, is it acceptable for a former Communist prosecutor to head the Justice committee in the Sejm?

Don't debate, a simple yes or no will do nicely.
Dougpol1 31 | 2,640
4 May 2019 #418
a former Communist prosecutor

He doesn't know the details Delph - only what his brainwashed dziadek told him.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,163
4 May 2019 #419
Of course he doesn't know them. All he knows is primitive propaganda, probably read on English language websites.

Perhaps he can tell us if it's acceptable for former communists to be in charge of the largest energy company in Poland.
bolek_tusk 3 | 225
4 May 2019 #420
So why are you closing your eyes to the PRL past of PiS?

Tell me about it.

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