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Poland directly threatened by ISIS. Do Islamists planning terrorist attacks in Poland?


Ironside 48 | 9,888
24 Mar 2016 #151
Business as usual.

Sure, but as soon as a bomb would blown in you face, you would have be all over this forum telling like your have been always saying that Poland is in danger and you never have been claiming otherwise.

Better save than sorry!
Not that it actually matters what you or anyone here is thinking.
InPolska 11 | 1,821
24 Mar 2016 #152
Poland in danger? only in the imagination of those not living even in Europe. Obviously Warsaw Airport authorities think otherwise and they are right because there is no danger in Warsaw and in Poland.
AdrianK9 6 | 369
24 Mar 2016 #153
"muslim" and "islamist"

Can you explain the difference? Last time I checked, Islam is the religion and Muslims are the followers. Muslims read the Koran, which is an Islamic text. Yes, like with Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, etc. there's different branches and levels - some more religious and orthodox, some less. However, all Muslims pray to Allah and believe Mohammed was the prophet which is what Islam is about. Yes, some will pray more, some less, some will kill you if you draw Mohammed, some may even laugh and understand it's satire. Is 'Muslim' to you just a general follower of Islam and an 'Islamist' someone who is rather extreme - perhaps like a Salafist? We usually call those individuals fundamentalists.

Poland in danger? only in the imagination of those not living even in Europe.

You realize two Poles were hospitalized due to the Brussels bombing? Yes, the markets are open, trains are coming and leaving, the airports are bustling, etc. however there has been already some change. For one, the Polish government has already refused to accept refugees as a DIRECT RESULT of the bombing in Belgium. So yes, perhaps for the average citizen you are right - most likely it's business as usual. However, the government has already made some changes because of this attack.

lodzpost.com/polishnews/poland-steps-up-security-at-airports-and-railway-stations-following-brussels-attacks/
Honest Pole
24 Mar 2016 #154
For one, the Polish government has already refused to accept refugees as a DIRECT RESULT of the bombing in Belgium.

Not really they were already refusing like a year before.
AdrianK9 6 | 369
24 Mar 2016 #155
Poland is MUCH safer than Germany, Belgium, Sweden, etc. Our women are not being raped, refugee centers are being torched, and police aren't being shot at when they enter a Muslim neighborhood.

However, the more Muslims you allow in, you're also letting in more of that 1% of Muslims that are violent extremists.

Poland most likely won't have any attacks in the near future - however that doesn't mean that the government and citizens won't take necessary steps to protect themselves.

Planes weren't grounded and travel restricted due to the attacks, but the government DID ramp up security AND refused to accept the 7,000 refugees they originally promised to let in as a result of the Brussels attack.

The fact is, the Muslim community is very small in Poland - by some estimates around 30,000. Most of these individuals are Tatars and are rather integrated into the society and even look like your everyday Polish citizen. However, there are small numbers of refugees that are from the Middle East and are facing discrimination in Poland, because well in general Polish people are rather xenophobic and are very concerned that their country will become like Germany. It only takes a few guys, or even just one, that feel Polish society hates them and they want to get revenge. I think that an attack in Poland would more than likely be a 'lone wolf' attack committed by a refugee who is dissatisfied with life in Poland and seeks vengeance rather than like a direct ISIS operative. However, ISIS did say that they will infiltrate the refugee population and attack Europe - which they did. Poland is on their list, granted probably at the very bottom, since they promised to attack countries allied with the US.

After seeing what happened in France and Belgium, the government is naturally going to step up security at the border. They wouldn't be doing their jobs if they didn't. However, for the average citizen, yes you are right, life will continue as normal.

Not really they were already refusing like a year before.

Yes - they were refusing to accept refugees but then renegotiated and said that they'd accept 5,000 or 7,000 or whatever the number was. Now they said because of the attacks they will not accept any.

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3506450/Poland-abandons-agreement-EU-7-000-migrants-Brussels-suicide-bombings.html

breitbart.com/london/2016/03/24/poland-reneges-on-pledge-to-take-7000-migrants-following-brussels-attack/
johnny reb 18 | 3,753
24 Mar 2016 #156
PS: Johnny Reb: find ONE message in which I said that I would take in a family! ;).

Remember that was all deleted so you can conveniently boast such denial but we all remember how you said that you would take in a Muslim family or two BUT you couldn't because bla bla blabla.

We remember.

you would have be all over this forum telling like your have been always saying that Poland is in danger and you never have been claiming otherwise.

That seems to be her way of being in denial and being a self appointed "authority" with her "one" opinion which isn't always true as shown in your next "opinion".

Poland in danger? only in the imagination of those not living even in Europe

Really ! You are so abrasive with your frivolous opinions that you insist are written in stone.

Muslims could attack Poland anytime they want, and yes, Poland, and anywhere in Europe is a potential target,

Doug, you still living in Europe are you not ?
Class dismissed

We had a sample of Islamic "love and peace" just 2 days ago in Brussels.

And yet I have not heard or seen one single Muslim leader in the world condemn it.
InPolska 11 | 1,821
24 Mar 2016 #157
@AdrianK: in Bruxelles there were a dozen nationalities (including 10 French, among whom 2 were survivors from Nov. 13 Paris attacks ...) but this was NOT against Poland and Poles. Terrorists don't ask for people's passports and nationalities before shooting ;).

Since you don't know (but ask nicely ;)), a "muslim" is someone who follows muslim religion whereas an 'islamist" is someone who is fundamentalist and sees religion as a political weapon and uses violence against people who don't think the way they do. Most of what you call "muslims" in Western Europe are secular or even atheist and they live according to laws of their countries of residence (of which most often they are citizens). IOf course, in Europe, only a tiny minority are islamists but even if 1 or 2%, they are already too many ;). In Paris there were only 10 terrorists and in Bruxelles 3 atlhough now Belgian sources mention a 4th. Bear in mind, that "muslims" are the no.1 victims of islamists and in terrorist attacks in Europe (and elsewhere). In Paris and in Bruxelles (just to talk about current situation) a lot of muslims have been killed or wounded by islamists. Islamists consider muslims who are not radical as enemies and they deserve to be killed.

Well, without being an expert, I am sure I know about situation better than those (in PF and elsewhere) who have only seen muslims and islamists on tv.

Also, not all Arabs are ... muslims ;). Some Arabs are Jewish, Christian or even atheist.

I know all this may be complicated to a lot of you ;) but to make it easy: ALL islamists are muslims but only a tiny minority of muslims are islamists....

Well, I'm sure those who have never met any will insult me but never mind!

@AdrianK: Absolutely re Polish "muslims"!

I understand that nobody in thread has realized that the Bruxelles guys are NOT refugees, they were all Belgian born and are Belgian citizens (although they don't really consider themselves Belgian) and therefore completely irrelevant to mention refugees. In Paris, there was only one who came as a refugee.

The Polish government using Bruxelles as an excuse not to take in refugees is pure non sense as they would not have accepted Merkel's order in the first place and in the second place, in Bruxelles, all the 3 (or now 4) guys are Belgians ...
smurf 39 | 1,981
24 Mar 2016 #158
they were all Belgian born and are Belgian citizens

Hey now you, don't be coming on here using facts, facts aren't allowed on Polish Forums!
AdrianK9 6 | 369
24 Mar 2016 #159
I know they weren't targeting Poles on purpose. The terrorists simply seek to kill as many innocent 'infidels' as possible and don't care if Muslims get killed in the process. That's what I thought you meant that 'Islamists' are fundamentalists. You are correct though - even Al Qaeda and Al Nusra labels IS as infidels and non-Islamic and vice versa.

IOf course, in Europe, only a tiny minority are islamists but even if 1 or 2%, they are already too many

Exactly! This is why either refugees need to be stopped since not all Muslims are 'Islamists' but all 'Islamists' are fundamentalist Muslims. A border guard doesn't ask are you a Salafist or hold fundamentalist beliefs? Until these 'refugees' are vetted properly, Europe ought to put the brakes on this although it's already too late. These people, Muslim, Islamic, fundamentalist, whatever breed like rabbits and are simply going to overtake the native population. I've travelled all over Europe and I don't want Beglium to turn into Belgistan in a couple decades although I feel it's too late. The problem too is that many of the young refugees come to Europe and don't have a sense of belonging so they go to the radical mosques where they are indoctrinated. That is how your average atheist or non-practice 'Muslim' becomes an 'Islamist.' If there weren't fundamentalist violent preachers in the first place this wouldn't be an issue.

I don't know why Europeans get their panties in a bunch when they hear some idiots went to Syria or Iraq to join ISIS. I'd say good - leave the country and don't come back. The government needs to track them and make sure they don't come back or even better send some drones to take them out. Quite frankly, I'd think that makes it easier to identify who they are once they leave and kill them. Unfortunately, the government is inept and can't catch them when they return like happened with the Paris attack. Then again, I don't know - sounds easy in theory but I'm not in the CIA or Interpol so I don't know how this works in practice.

Poland is protecting itself so that it doesn't have to deal with an incident like France, Belgium, England, Spain, etc. dealt with in the past. It's just a precautionary measure. Most likely, there won't be an ISIS attack but I'd imagine the chance of a lone wolf attack by someone who is unhappy with the way Polish society treats him and other Muslim refugees is likely.

Personally, if I were head of the EU, I'd round up all the Syrians and give them military training and give them a 1 way ticket to Syria so they can liberate their country. Then I'd build a great big beautiful wall around the EU borders so we can have a Schengen zone and not have to worry.
InPolska 11 | 1,821
24 Mar 2016 #160
@Smurf: am I to understand a ... second degree? ;) "lol" ;).
johnny reb 18 | 3,753
24 Mar 2016 #161
And if I gave you a bag of jelly beans and told you only one of them in the bag was poison would you put them out on your kitchen table in a bowl for your family and friends ?
InPolska 11 | 1,821
24 Mar 2016 #162
@AdrianK: good to read your comments! As you understand, the situation is far from brilliant and there is no solution in view. For sure, W. Europe (and the US ;)) are responsible for the whole mess because of our foreign policies and at home, in our W. European countries, we believe in democracy, in human rights and justice and as a result we've been had by islamists who don't see things the way we do. Yes, they do represent maybe 2% of the muslim population but even a few of them are too many. These people are fanatics and have tons of money. One day, I read about their financial sources in some American (reliable) medium (@Pol3: singular form of "media"), and it was "amazing".

What to do? Of course, Poland is not on their list but should the situation worsen, which would lead to an economic crisis, Poland would of course be in the same boat. At the time of the Nov. 13 Paris attacks, French Prermier, Manuel Valls, made a comment according to which he was scarred that islamists attack .... nuclear plants (there are several of them in France alone). I don't exactly remember what exactly he said but I really freaked out when listening to him. I don't even want to imagine. Believe me, in such a case, the whole continent of Europe (including of course Poland) would blow up...... Poland would suffer because the others suffer but would not suffer alone because islamists don't give a d#### about a country like Poland...

Just heard on TV (Belgian sources); the Bruxelles terrorists first were aiming at attacking a .... nuclear plant. Hard to understand that some people in PF are completely disconnected from reality and show NO compassion to victims and to potential victims.....
Dougpol1 32 | 3,235
24 Mar 2016 #163
Poland is MUCH safer than Germany, Belgium, Sweden, etc.

That sounds like a (infamous) communist edict "There is no AIDS virus in the People's Republic of Poland."

What palpable racist nonsense you post Adrian.
johnny reb 18 | 3,753
24 Mar 2016 #164
Hard to understand that some people in PF are completely disconnected from reality and show NO compassion to victims and to potential victims.....

How did you come up with such a lie ? Trying to use pity with your bigot race crutch card now ?
Did you hear that the authorities are looking for two Americans that had been working in Brussels as bank workers that may be connected ?
Crow 137 | 7,754
24 Mar 2016 #165
What palpable racist nonsense you post Adrian.

why racist? because he referring to penises of some that wildly penetrate western European woman, with the applause of magnates of those same western European countries? No, he is right. Those are things that should be mentioned. Their woman are like caws to be forcible impregnate for happy new society of `eternal love`. Is that freedom? Is that democracy?
AdrianK9 6 | 369
24 Mar 2016 #166
What palpable racist nonsense you post Adrian.

If you understood the entire context and not posted just a phrase, you would see that I was stating that Polish women are not getting raped by Muslims like they were in Cologne during New Years. There was even a video released out of Sweden that the women deserve 'real' mean meaning the migrants and not Swedish men - perhaps they're right since it appears the the liberal men have lost their balls.

Polish men stand up to these invaders unlike those in Western Europe who are allowing a foreign group to dictate what the customs should be and trampling all over their beautiful culture.

And yes, violent crime is rather low in Poland...

Crime in Poland is lower than in many countries of Europe.Surveys conducted in 2005 placed Poland below the European average, with crime victimisation rates lower than in Ireland, England and Wales, Iceland, Northern Ireland, Estonia, Netherlands, Denmark, Switzerland, Belgium, Sweden and Norway -

unicri.it/wwd/analysis/icvs/pdf_files/ICVS2004_05report.pdf

nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Rape-rate
Poland has half of the amount of rapes per 100,000 than Germany and Austria and a fraction of what Norway and Sweden have. Sweden has the 5th most rapes out of all countries measured - it has the same rate of rapes per 100,000 as poor 3rd world countries. Zimbabwe has less rapes than Sweden and Belgium...

Poland crime rates are very low - yeah vandalism might be high because the kids spray paint everything and there is a bit of police corruption but violent and property crimes are low:

numbeo.com/crime/city_result.jsp?country=Poland&city=Warsaw

even a British article on this topic:
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2043004/Lifestyle-better-Poland-UK-Less-crime-violence--cheaper-too.html
InPolska 11 | 1,821
24 Mar 2016 #167
@AdrianK: as to rapes, they are often NOT reported and as a result they keep statistics lower. I assume that in countries like Sweden, Germany or France it is easier than let's say in Poland, Romania or Malta. In countries where women will be considered "sl..ts" by the police, by the judges.... and by society in general, few women dare reporting rapes. FEW rapes reported does NOT mean few rapes :). Also, in some countries, the idea of rape is particular. For instance, in Sweden, in case a guy did not wear a condom whereas the girl would have preferred him to wear one, she can claim to have been raped....

Last night, on tv, I saw the interview of a 20-year-old girl from Chad who had been gang raped by several officials while on her way to university in her country. The girl dared making her case known and guess what, she and her family have been threatened to be killed and they had to escape to France where she keeps fighting with lawyers against her country's officials... I suppose in Chad no girl goes to the police to report having been raped ;).

It is "nice" to copy-paste statistics and numbers but it is worthwhile knowing about the way to understand them ;)
Dougpol1 32 | 3,235
24 Mar 2016 #168
Poland has half of the amount of rapes per 100,000 than Germany and Austria

Yes, because Poland has no pub culture - so girls drink at friends' houses or are often escorted. It does not necessarily follow that Polish men are less likely to rape, and no way can you make a blanket statement - as you are so doing - that Polish rape statistics are down because there are few "nig-nogs" living in the country.

Poland and its' government consistently break European Community anti-discrimination laws with their public utterances and many Poles are ashamed of this - for this government does not speak for them.

Those are the Poles that I associate with. I was brought up to respect all peoples and animals, and that is my mantra. I understand that you have other principles. We are all different - it wouldn't pay for us to be the same if I can offer the tired old cliche.

But when a country with a long history has a government whose ministers use a tragedy like Brussels to spew racist bile, then I will protest , because it grotesquely lowers their standing in the world for my wife and daughter.
Crow 137 | 7,754
24 Mar 2016 #169
Let us not forget that are western European and USA governments main sponsors of radical Muslim terrorists, known as ISIS maniacs. Now, they want to achieve something in western Europe and maniacs are unleashed. But, turn would come to Poland, too. Some agenda for Poland for sure exist. i suppose if Poland more actively try to support Serbian struggle for sovereignty then would Poland be punished and maniacs would be unleashed on Poland.
InPolska 11 | 1,821
24 Mar 2016 #170
Absolutely, Doug! besides, fewer rapes reported does NOT mean fewer rapes ;). In some countries, women reporting rapes are seen as sl@@@@ts and as a result they don't bother seeking police's help.... Logical but I think men cannot understand that.
Dougpol1 32 | 3,235
24 Mar 2016 #171
Serbian struggle for sovereignty

Crow - please! Serbia has it's sovereignty intact. What is your problem? Stay within your borders and everybody will leave you in peace.
Peace. And love (if you like)
Now back to the topic. Poland should start its' own rehabiliation by pledging aid to the refugees in lieu of offering homes. Everybody pays (those who are in the European Union of course - because those are the civilised countries Crow)

Hungary of course are on the CIA hatelist, and we DO NOT want Poland to follow suit. More than a couple of years of PIS would facilitate such an unbelievable scenario.
AdrianK9 6 | 369
24 Mar 2016 #172
t is "nice" to copy-paste statistics and numbers but it is worthwhile knowing about the way to understand them ;)

This information was gathered from the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime. As a business major who has taken many statistics classes I can tell you that many are bogus as it is very easy to manipulate data for the purpose of your bias. Yes there might be some errors but I don't see a whole lot of bias - plus it was made by the UN...

Yes, this list is of is rapes REPORTED to Police - not total rapes and not even rapes that resulted in a court case, prosecution, etc. So yes, there will be countries at the bottom of the list because perhaps there are little to no police stations, illiteracy among women is high, reporting rape is discouraged, it's a hardcore Muslim country, etc.

they are often NOT reported and as a result they keep statistics lower. I assume that in countries like Sweden, Germany or France it is easier than let's say in Poland, Romania or Malta

However, note that the top 4 countries are all sub-Saharan African countries where there is little to no infrastructure (aside from perhaps South Africa). Poor African countries spanned the whole spectrum from having lots of rapes - i.e. the top 4 - to very few rapes like with Kenya which was towards bottom. I'm guessing it's more difficult to report a rape in Lesotho or Botswana where there is hardly any roads let alone a car that the girl can drive to the police station or hospital. Also, Malta is a pretty rich country and the level of Human Development in Sweden, Germany, and France is much closer to Poland, Romania and Malta, than say like Estonia and Poland versus Kenya. Also, there are wealthy countries like Canada and Japan that are way at the bottom with very few rapes despite the citizens having easy access to Police.

The fact of the matter is this - developed rich countries like Belgium, Sweden, etc. have higher level of rapes, according to the UN, reported to the police per 100,000 inhabitants than Poland - that's what we were debating. There are cell phones, cars, lots of police stations in Poland, Belgium, Romania, etc. It's not sub-Saharan Africa where if you have 10 goats and a hut with electricity you're rich and there's only police stations in the major cities and few in the countryside. Wre're not debating whether it's easier to report a rape in Poland and Romania than German or Belgium but since you brought it up I'm sure it's roughly the same as Poland is not a 3rd world country. This list would show that the country's wealth doesn't really matter all that much because there are poor countries at the very top and at the very bottom just as there are rich countries at the top and bottom. Also, even some of the very poor countries seemed to have performed better in this 'rape' statistic than developed ones which seem to have a very high level of rape.

One of the suspects they're looking for is from Morocco but a Belgian citizen and actually studied at a Catholci school. The attackers had really long rap sheets and one was apparently just deported from Turkey and the government alerted Belgium that he's a terrorist - armed robbery, assault weapon possession, car jacking, terrorism, shooting at police... These are not the kind of people that should be allowed to settle into the EU

nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/03/brussels-attackers-what-we-know-so-far.html

oland should start its' own rehabiliation by pledging aid to the refugees in lieu of offering homes.

Why? Saudi Arabia isn't letting of them in? They have more in common with the refugees than we do. We're not a Muslim country... let the Muslim countries let them in.
Dougpol1 32 | 3,235
24 Mar 2016 #173
So Adrian - you are saying that Poland must never allow (war-zone) refugees in because they are statistically more likely to rape.

Evidence please. We await your research, because I for one find your posts to be very interesting, even if I reserve the right to vehemently disagree with your opinions.

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InPolska 11 | 1,821
24 Mar 2016 #174
Basically, I don't know re Africa but as to Western countries, in some it is harder and in others it is easier to report rapes. When it is hard, very few women do ;). It is not "pleasant" to be questioned about one's personal and sexual life, to be physically examined, to face the guy in court and when the police and other authorities don't make women comforable and treat them like "slu...t"s, many women who have been raped don't bother to go ahead. In some cultures, such women would then be rejected by other men. Like they say, they mean REPORTED rapes, which is different than rapes PER SE. I suppose it's easier for a woman to report rape for instance in Norway than in Albania (just to mention Europe) ;))

It is the same thing re domestic violence. Surpringly, (until recently?) Spain was the country where wives/partners victims of domestic violence reported the most. Does it mean that Spanish women are more often victims of domestic violence? Nope! Simply because most probably women in Spain are encouraged to and also helped by authorities. On the other extreme, I'm sure that few women in Turkey or in Saudi Arabia dare reporting violent husbands ;).

Believe me, numbers have to be considered carefully

PS: only men think it is easy for a woman to report a rape. It is NOT and that's why a lot of women don't.
AdrianK9 6 | 369
24 Mar 2016 #175
Like they say, they mean REPORTED rapes, which is different than rapes PER SE.

That's why this study is only measuring reported rapes per 100,000 people. Some of them could be legit rapes, some could be trying to get back at a boyfriend, some could be the girl was drunk the night before and regrets what she did, etc. There's no way to tell but this kind of stuff happens all over the world. Again, we're only comparing Poland versus the rest of Europe and the culture and the Human Development Index in Poland is not way different from that in Belgium, Sweden, Germany, etc. They are all classified as EU countries, have a high standard of living compared to the rest of the world, and even share a similar religious background. However, the incidence of rape is much higher in Sweden and Belgium than in Poland despite the fact that they are European countries, with pretty similar cultures, and similar Human Development Index scores.

I love Poland as I was born there, I have a home there, my entire family is there and I plan to go back to live the rest of my life, settle down, get married and have kids, and hopefully retire there. I don't want my Polish women or my Polish lands to get raped, whether it's physically or metaphorically.



InPolska 11 | 1,821
24 Mar 2016 #176
Yes, REPORTED so different from reality ,). Good that you admit it! ;). Re Sweden, Belgium and Poland, I'm sure it is easier to report rapes in Sweden and in Belgium (more liberal and no religious impact) than it is in Poland. Also be aware that when a man does not use a condom although the girl would have wanted him to do so, it is considered a rape in Sweden (cf. case of Julian Aussange) and I doubt it is so in Poland.
AdrianK9 6 | 369
24 Mar 2016 #177
How else would you come up with a reliable rape statistic aside from police reports? Ask every single women? Just like with this report, some will be truthful some will not - in every country not just some. This UN report didn't do a bad job...

Again, we're comparing Poland with Belgium and Sweden - countries that are very similar in the fact that they are developed European countries that share a similar religious background. Even if we're assuming a good portion of the answers are bogus or that not all women reported a rape, the fact is still that according to the UN, more women reported rapes in Belgium and Sweden than Poland....

Crime is lower in Poland than many other European countries - I'm just using rape since we were discussing how German women were raped by migrants in Cologne and the Police in Sweden has been downplaying crimes committed by migrants and media outlets not reporting it.

time.com/4176681/sweden-police-sexual-assault-refugees-migrants-afghans/
InPolska 11 | 1,821
24 Mar 2016 #178
@Adrian: Of course, not! ;). And it says "REPORTED" because authorities know that not all victims seek police help. Personally, if I had been raped by someone I know, I don't know whether I would have had the courage to report it ....
Dougpol1 32 | 3,235
24 Mar 2016 #179
So - in the event of no data from Adrian - we can safely assume that his posts are yet another racist diatribe against refugees - who are innocent victims of war and were fleeing a war zone and Turkish discrimination, and danger in Libya, to a better life.

Thanks for clearing that up. Now we can move on to sensible discussion, and bringing this Polish government to account.

Poland should start its' own rehabilitation by pledging aid to the refugees in lieu of offering homes.

Why? Saudi Arabia isn't letting of them in?

Because the European Commission met, and agreed on a way forward. Poland has responsibilities as such. It's not complicated.
nothanks - | 640
25 Mar 2016 #180
You guys catch a couple Palestinians caught (old woman in hijab and young male) disrespecting Israeli flag @ Brussels victims memorial. Stepping on, picking up and tying up and hiding. There are a few online clips but here is the photo.

These people are a lost cause. No reason to import their ********.

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