Demonstrations in Poland in defence of democracy.

They've had 26 years and what major Polish-owned corporations have emerged? Prior to the EU economic strait-jacket Poland was free to give indigebous entrepreneurs first crack, but the Balcerties conceived so-called privatisation as selling off Polish assets abroad for a song. Who said anything about govt? But the development ministry can facilitate the growth of indigenous Polish enterprises. Foreign experts can be brought in as advisers and trouble-shooters, training seminars can be held. There can be private, state and mixed state-private ventures, maybe cooperatives or even some form still unknown. What is needed is the political will. The PO was a total fizzle in that regard, in fact they never even broached the question - they were happy with their foreign kickbacks. Will PiS give Morawiecki enough rein to realise his plans?

It's not the job of the government to create businesses. It's the job of the government to not unduly impede business. if you didn't hate prosperity and business you might realize that....


Quite properly. You seem to hate PO because they didn't act like a bunch of communists (as do PiS)

Morawiecki is no idiot, and if you were to get him for a quiet word, he would no doubt probably agree completely with Petru's views on the economy. Kaczyński is economically illiterate however, and ill-advised social welfare measures to win votes at the expense of the economy is all he knows.

My hope is that Morawiecki will lead a coup against Kaczyński sooner rather than later. He's certainly building up a power base, and the old man perhaps has the credentials to win over the type of old people that are thoroughly brainwashed by Kaczyński. The last piece of the puzzle is that cat Duda, but with his marriage in trouble and his daughter being mocked constantly at university for her daddy's inability to understand the law while being quite clearly insulted in public by Kaczyński, it might not be so difficult for him to jump ship.

The problem is Polonius - if you want strong Polish companies, then you have to give them strong management that isn't relying on their political connections. If PiS had actually strengthened the SC law and required all top management to be reappointed to their positions with world class experts being appointed to sit on the interview boards, Poland would be far stronger. Instead, Party membership and patronage from the Party elite becomes all you need for a job running Poland's biggest companies.

But you know, Kaczyński doesn't want strong, independent Polish companies. They would represent a threat to his power, and thus they must be neutralised.

But governmetns can facilitate and promote business in a variety of ways -- all sorts of campaigns and promotions are supported by government agencies: visit Tawian, invest in Croatia, holiday in Portugal, trade fairs. Polish days, exhibitions, industrial parks, special economic zones are but a few examples of state involvement in promoting domestic business not to mention much needed pro-entrepreneurship educational campaigns. It IS in a country's interest to create and support recognisable brands, to design, manufacture and export original creations rather than mercenarily assembling foreign products. And that is where the UW, AWS, SLD and PO failed over the past 26 years. In fact over the past 26 years, Morawiecki is actually the only economist who has even broached that issue. The rest were satisfied with the status quo of cushy kickbacks. So quit making lame excuses for regimes which have failed to promote a viable, sustainable, Polish-owned industry.


I prefer Cat Duda to creep Delph, but that's just a matter of taste. I rarely agree with you but I gave you some credit for a bit of intelligence. Now you seem to be degenerating along harryesque lines into the gosspy village biddy mode with that tablodic stuff about Duda's alleged ailing marriage. There isn't any truth to it. Them Michnik creeps ran a series of photos where in one the couple's hands are 3 inches apart - a sure sign of an impending split. And you actually fall for that crock of BS? Anything to badmouth. discredit, ridicule, denigrate and malign the goyim - that's what Michnik and his ilk do. R U 1 2?

PO did plenty of that.


Except the evidence from PiS is that they've managed to destroy *the* luxury Polish brand - the Polish Arabian horse. Judges aren't coming to Poland, buyers are boycotting the auctions - it's a complete disaster, all caused by pure greed.

If they can't even manage a couple of studs successfully, what makes you think they're going to be able to do anything else?

Win some, lose some - but that is such a niche field that's it's not wasting one's breath on. Poland has a chance to design, manufacture and export quality, good-value mass consumer goods - household appliances, radio-TV and computers equipment, motorcycles, mopeds, bicycles, sports gear, pleasure boats, light aircraft. Did you know Poladn produces one of the world's smallest planes?Hopefully at some stage motorcars and lorries. That's what should be emphasised, not some hand-made super-sportscar for a petro-sheik. That's good for a bit of news trivia.

If you want Poland to succeed, shouldn't you want Poland to win at everything?


But why not? Why try and compete with everyone else when Poland could do very well by selling high quality products? Poland already is absolutely fantastic at producing yachts - why not try and replicate that success in high-end products in other sectors?

Producing cars, lorries, etc etc is just a huge moneysink. Most countries simply don't have their own car brands anymore. But pouring a lot of money into producing decent, low-cost electric cars could be a winner and push their adoption into the mainstream. Europe is lagging behind badly in this respect - and there's no reason why Poland couldn't lead the way.

But it all goes back to PiS - they have no interest in modern engineering like this. Kaczyński's economic views are straight from the PRL, which means that the top jobs go to people that he chose personally. What does a shop assistant know about running a special economic zone?

Yes but the environment would be ruined by the coal that it would take to make the electricity to power these cars.
In fact in the long run it would cost much more to power an electric car that nobody wants.
Poland would be better to stick with building yachts and leave the car building to Detroit.

Detroit? Is there still a car industry there?


This is the future.


Not only his economic views. He's transparent about the fact that he does not see democracy as the way forward for Poland. He really does want his political tendency to stay in power for ever and he would abolish free elections at the drop of a hat if he could get away with that, Hence the Polish pro-democracy movement.

One only wonders what he has planned next.

No, since the blacks taken over the city no serious business man would risk running their car business over there.

Keep to the topic please

He'll want to fire Duda for his goings-on. And he'll throw him under a bus because he'll get blamed for the tribunal court stuff.

Emergency powers will be installed and instead of a presidential election he'll take over the job 'until there's enough stability' for an election (when he dies). And we'll have another Belarus and us foreigners will leave.

That's the worst case scenario.

Look at the Polish companies on this list:

[List of companies in Poland]

There are plenty of 'inidgenous' Polish corpos, successful ones at that.

Propping these up with state-subsidised new corpos established to take on the big guys would be disastrous. It would be a return to communism, it wold lead to a government constantly fighting with debt, inefficient practices by politicians in control of industries they have no clue about, unhappy workers, strikes. Do you really want to return to the 1980s?

Nobody wants that.

Yes, and it's going strong. Following the bumps and potholes it traversed a few years back, everything is now back on track. BTW the Buick Cascada is now being built in Poland for export world-wide. Jobs yes, Polish brand identity - ZERO!

I did wonder that myself, however a president is less easy to fire than a premier. There are ways, and remember there was discussion about removing LK due to unfitness to hold the job.


This is what he and his cronies would like. Basically a PiS version of Germany's Enabling Act 1933 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act_of_1933 - they're almost transparent about that and no wonder at all that thousands take to the streets in defence of democracy.


When imported goods start to disappear from the shops...

They'd love it, I'm pretty sure that's the endgame as they call it.

There was some good news this monring regarding NATO though:
euobserver.com/foreign/133084


Now, I'm going outside to get sunburnt and have a half dozen cold tyskies, while buring the wife's dinner :D

Yes, but the people who want a return to the 1980s remember that they had access to all the imported they wanted, in the special shops who those who served the Party instead of Poland. For them those were happy years, certainly better years than now.

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That would be very far from anything worst.

Basically the 'good old days' that will never return, however much PiS dream of a golden past that in fact never existed.

I don't think they have any real concept of the strength of democratic opposition to their undemocratic aims.

Don't you get bored writing these bullshyt day after day ? You all non-Poles have polluted this thread with such nonsense while in fact you can't even vote here. Your "opinion" is worth nothing.

You seem to forget the tens of thousands of Poles who come out onto the streets of every major city here to take part in the Polish pro-democracy movement.

Plus of course the majority of people here who, according to the latest polls, want rid of PiS.


My passport and Dowód Osobisty say otherwise, and interesting that you seem to think that only the opinions of ethnic Poles matter yet are here flaming on an English language forum - as if there aren't enough fora in the Polish language to discuss the current political crisis in Poland.

Yea, great talk coach
Great contribution, well done. Your parents must be so proud.

What about yours ? Are they proud of your kindergarten expat career ?

Interesting thought that they butt into something they evidently don't understand regardless of their claims and what is not even their business for the most part as far as we can tell. As they say they don't have a dog in this fight or they haven't came clean about that.

Yes, a lot of BS have been written about political situation in Poland by the foreigners living in Poland.

Anyway the State Department is meddling something bad into Poland's affairs:
'On February 10, Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs Victoria Nuland traveled to Warsaw, Poland, to meet with senior government officials, political party leaders, and members of civil society and the think tank community to discuss a broad range of bilateral and regional issues'

Right :)
Maybe someone recorded what she has been talking about with Petru. It would be interesting to listen.

Tens of thousands of Poles deluded by a shrewd and crafty elite into thinking they're doing their bit for demcoracy, when they are only being used as political cannon fodder to serve the Schetynas, Petrus and Michniks of this world. Don't oyu ever tire of repeating those bollocky mantras?

Millions of Poles deluded by a shrewd and crafty elite into thinking they're doing their bit for propserity, when they are only being used as political cannon fodder to serve the authoritarian cronyism of the Kaczynskis, Szydłos and Dudas of this world. Don't they ever tire of repeating their bvllsh1t mantras?

There you go again...


Absolutely, although the latter two are just political boobies - basically the only two they could get away with putting on a ballot paper

It's not true Kijwoski doesn't like kids. He maybe is a bit behind in child maintenance payments to those he himself has fathered but others kids are of great interest to him. Hackers have broken into his computer and found loads of kiddy porn therein. Some are even calling it Kijowskigate!

That's a low even for you, Po....

Lower than the anti-First Lady slurs? BTW it's not my info but public domain readily circulating hither and thither.

Anti? If anything very pro, given that she's left an alleged philanderer.


Basically smut from very very dodgy sources...

Hackers indeed!

Personally I find it good to see the depths to which the lovers of PIS are stooping with their attacks, it beautifully shows the fear that they feel.