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Demonstrations in Poland in defence of democracy.


jon357 74 | 22,042
17 Dec 2015 #181
It's exactly these constant insults - "traitors", "Gestapo" and so on - that are helping put so many people on the streets

They aren't doing themselves any favours, are they?

Basically it's shock and fear. They didn't expect that ordinary people would stand up against them and they just can't handle that.
OP delphiandomine 88 | 18,131
17 Dec 2015 #182
They didn't expect that ordinary people would stand up against them and they just can't handle that.

Yes, it seems that Kaczyński completely failed to acknowledge that people were capable of organising without the help of political parties.

Anyway, another demonstration abroad to add to the list :

Toyko - Embassy of the Republic of Poland in Japan, 2-14-5 Mita, Meguro-ku, Toyko 153-0062 at 15:00 local time.
Ironside 53 | 12,420
17 Dec 2015 #183
Basically it's shock and fear.

In your fairy world perhaps! I see that those in charge of PiS are not bothered at all, it would be their voters that are slowly bulling up anger and range against those people who cannot understand that they have lost an election and are flaming.
G (undercover)
17 Dec 2015 #184
These demonstrations are growing in number

What's the target ? Half of Marian Kowalski support ?
jon357 74 | 22,042
17 Dec 2015 #185
I see that those in charge of PiS are not bothered at

Hard to say how you "see" that, however their fear and shock is palpable.
OP delphiandomine 88 | 18,131
17 Dec 2015 #186
I see that those in charge of PiS are not bothered at all

If they weren't bothered, the Dear Leader Chairman Kaczyński wouldn't have abused and insulted the 82% of adult Poles that didn't vote for them.
G (undercover)
17 Dec 2015 #187
82% of adult Poles that didn't vote for them.

Why do you hate democracy so much ?
OP delphiandomine 88 | 18,131
17 Dec 2015 #188
I think most of us understand democracy just fine, and we're defending it against the attacks of a party that only got 18% of the vote.
G (undercover)
17 Dec 2015 #189
They won democratic elections. A significant share not voting is a normal thing in democracies.
OP delphiandomine 88 | 18,131
17 Dec 2015 #190
They won democratic elections.

But they don't have a mandate to abuse the Constitution, ignore the law and insult the vast majority of Poles.
smurf 39 | 1,969
17 Dec 2015 #191
Anyone have a list of the different protests? Facebook groups or whatever.
Ironside 53 | 12,420
17 Dec 2015 #192
the Dear Leader Chairman Kaczyński wouldn't have abused

Stop your lies, he said what everybody know.
G (undercover)
17 Dec 2015 #193
Anyone have a list of the different protests? Facebook groups or whatever.

Yawn. Another "expat" foreigner without voting rights generating "support of Polish people for protesters". Lame.
jon357 74 | 22,042
17 Dec 2015 #194
If they weren't bothered, the Dear Leader Chairman Kaczyński wouldn't have abused and insulted the 82% of adult Poles that didn't vote for them

Possibly his biggest mistake.
Harry
17 Dec 2015 #195
Anyone have a list of the different protests? Facebook groups or whatever.

Here's a nice map: And here's the Facebook page for KOD: facebook.com/KomitetObronyDemokracji
smurf 39 | 1,969
17 Dec 2015 #196
Another "expat" foreigner without voting rights generating "support of Polish people for protesters"

I'm not an expat.
I have voting rights, na-na.

And here's the Facebook page for KOD: facebook.com/KomitetObronyDemokracji

Thanks Harry.

Sorry, I'd add it to the same post, but the editing time has run out.

Suggesting: get rid of that?
Polonius3 993 | 12,357
17 Dec 2015 #197
we're fighting for - our free and

We're fighting for a pro-bankster free and democratic Poland where pro-corproate lobbyists willl have free rein.
jon357 74 | 22,042
17 Dec 2015 #198
I'm not an expat.
I have voting rights, na-na

I don't think some of them appreciate how many of us have taken citizenship...
Polonius3 993 | 12,357
17 Dec 2015 #199
pro-bankster

insult the vast majority of Poles.

You meant insult the vast majority of Polish bankster-serving toadies!

BTW isn't it better to insult outsiders meddling in Polish affairs and their paid Polish stooges than insulting the democratically elected government of Poland formed by the country's only truly pro-Polish political camp.
Harry
17 Dec 2015 #200
isn't it better to insult outsiders meddling in Polish affairs and their paid Polish stooges

Might it perhaps be better to insult nobody and to stick to the topic of this thread? Could you try doing that?
smurf 39 | 1,969
17 Dec 2015 #201
BTW isn't it better to insult outsiders meddling in Polish affairs and their paid Polish stooges than insulting the democratically elected government of Poland formed by the country's only truly pro-Polish political camp.

Why do you have to result to insulting at all?
Why not be civil? Why are the right wing so aggressive?

I don't think some of them appreciate how many of us have taken citizenship...

They sure don't Jon
roade85 4 | 21
17 Dec 2015 #202
I'm not too educated on the differences between the parties and am not a usual supporter of any party in America or Poland, I'd just like to point out that in the US for example, the 'mandate' usually comes from only 25-30% of the voting population, since turnout is right around 50%, and that includes all the dead people, illegal immigrants, and people who voted 5-10x because they don't have to show ID, not to mention the fact that it's mostly done on hackable electronic machines now. Not sure there's a huge difference between that and 18%. Any party that is against Eurozone entry and described as anti-bankster is not off to a terrible start in my book.

That said, I reject the notion that people who don't vote 'deserve' any government. In the US, we have a choice between Thug Party A and Thug Party B. Not exactly a democracy, and protesting the charade by sitting it out may ultimately be the best course of action.
OP delphiandomine 88 | 18,131
17 Dec 2015 #203
Why not be civil? Why are the right wing so aggressive?

It's remarkable that the huge march in Warsaw passed off very very peacefully without problems. Meanwhile, the march on the 10th of December saw bitter PiS voters attack a journalist.

Anyway, Radom is also apparently trying to organise something. News when I get it...

Koszalin - Rynek Staromiejski.
johnny reb 48 | 7,098
17 Dec 2015 #204
Why are the right wing so aggressive?

They have had a belly full of "Political Correctness" that has/is destroying society and are demanding that
common sense return as that has proven itself to work the best.
OP delphiandomine 88 | 18,131
17 Dec 2015 #205
/is destroying society

One would argue that the way that PiS have placed many ex-PZPR men and women into high positions is very much the sign of destroying society.

These people are valued for their blind obedience, not their knowledge.
Harry
17 Dec 2015 #206
Why are the right wing so aggressive?

Because they know they are in the wrong and they know that they are badly out-numbered, as the demonstrations across Poland will show this weekend. And, of course, because they are deeply and fundamentally unpleasant creatures, as their posts here show every day.
Ironside 53 | 12,420
17 Dec 2015 #207
Because they

Poor pol3 as much as he try to multiply is not the right wingers, you left whiners.
johnny reb 48 | 7,098
17 Dec 2015 #208
I am surprised that it has taken so long for the crying to start.

they know that they are badly out-numbered

The majority spoke when PiS got voted in.
OP delphiandomine 88 | 18,131
17 Dec 2015 #209
Updated list of demonstrations, as of 18:00 on 17/12.

Public demonstrations organised by KOD - Saturday 19 December at 12:00 (local time)

In Poland

£ódź : plac Dąbrowskiego
Poznań - plac Wolności
Kraków - Rynek Główny
Bielsko-Biała - at the memorial REKSIA - on the corner of ul. 1 Listopada / Stojałowskiego
Gdańsk - Długi Targ
Bydgoszcz, Stary Rynek
Torun, Rynek Staromiejski
Elbląg - next to the Cathedral in Starówka
Zamość - Rynek Wielki
Częstochowa - plac Daszyńskiego (at 11:45 rather than 12:00)
Legnica - Plac Słowiański - 12:00
Lublin : Plac Litewski 1
Wrocław - Plac Solny
Ełk - Mickiewicza 15
Katowice : Urząd Wojewódzki in Katowice.
Szczecin : Pomnik Trzech Orłów (Monument to the Three Eagles)
Warsaw: ul. Wiejska - at the Sejm.
Białowieża - corner of Waszkiewicza and Parkowa.
Zielona Góra - outside the town hall (Ratusz) in Stary Rynek.
Koszalin - Rynek Staromiejski.

Abroad

Berlin, Embassy of the Republic of Poland, Lassenstrasse 19-21
Brussels - the Polish Permanent Representation at the EU - Rue Stevin 139/Stevinstraat 139
London : Embassy of the Republic of Poland, 47 Portland Place. 19.12 at 12:00.
Toronto - Consulate of the Republic of Poland - 2603 Lakeshore Blvd West.
Toyko - Embassy of the Republic of Poland in Japan, 2-14-5 Mita, Meguro-ku, Toyko 153-0062 at 15:00 local time.

25 different demonstrations and growing.

KOD is a non-partisan, non-political citizen's movement. We stand against the actions of the current government and President. We are against the abuse of the rule of law and the breaking of the Constitution by PiS and the President.

Everyone - join us at your local demonstration on Saturday! You don't have to be Polish to take part - we welcome everyone regardless of their background, as long as they care about the future of this country.
johnny reb 48 | 7,098
17 Dec 2015 #210
we welcome everyone regardless of their background,

"WE"........you sound like Hairy speaking for the whole country of Poland when you both are not even citizen's.
All these demonstrations do is allow people to let off some steam yet nothing will change.
The majority have already spoken when they elected the PiS.


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