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Demonstrations in Poland in defence of democracy.


Dougpol1 31 | 2,640
25 Jan 2016 #1,411
after 23 years in the country you cannot communicate properly in the Polish language.

Who says I can't? Some of my learners are C1 and still turn up for lessons as regular as clockwork. If you are saying what I think you're saying, in that people who haven't mastered the language should be "sent back", then that means half the Poles in Britain I expect.

Your perceived nationalist agenda is tedious, and I must be keeping you from your white supremacist friends with their garage porn, so run along, there's a good chap.
Ironside 53 | 12,422
25 Jan 2016 #1,412
Who says I can't?

You, some time ago.
Polonius3 993 | 12,357
25 Jan 2016 #1,413
idea of control

And the lefty-liberetard chaos creeps love mayhem, confusion and "anything goes"!
jon357 74 | 22,060
25 Jan 2016 #1,414
"anything goes"!

It does anyway, so why obsess. Some men have a wife and a mistress, some men have a husband. Some men moulder away wishing they'd had more fun, some defected to the Eastern Bloc and faithfully serve the regime but afterwards pretend they didn't.

What matters is much more important - and that is underpinned by the basic; living in a decent country where the rule of law is observed rather than a hysterical dictatorship.

Which is why people are so keen to defend democracy here in Poland, and shrug off those pond-dwellers who are one third catholic, one third fascist and one third (failed) craven opportunists serving a totalitarian regime.
Dougpol1 31 | 2,640
25 Jan 2016 #1,415
Which is why people are so keen to defend democracy here in Poland, and shrug off those pond-dwellers who are one third catholic, one third fascist and one third (failed) craven opportunists serving a totalitarian regime.

An acute observation. One of the reasons why immigration into other countries is so valid and desirable for that society.
Polonius3 993 | 12,357
25 Jan 2016 #1,416
defend democracy

So you're claiming that not 50%, not 23%, not even 12% but zero% of the KOD marchers are ex-PZPR members and TW inforemrs? And all of them now have better perks and privileges than when PO or other pro-roundtable parties were in power?
kondzior 11 | 1,046
25 Jan 2016 #1,417
Meanwhile,

The Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe on Monday decided not to hold a debate on the state of democracy in Poland.

Groupings including Christian Democrats, socialists and liberals had demanded an urgent debate and a vote on a resolution regarding how democratic institutions are functioning in Poland.

Ninety-eight parliamentary assembly members voted for a debate, 89 were against and 14 did not vote. The motion to hold a debate needed a two-thirds majority to be passed.
The decision was taken in Strasbourg during the winter session of the parliamentary assembly, which meets several times a year and groups 318 MPs from the parliaments of 47 Council of Europe member countries.

thenews/1/10/Artykul/237943,Council-of-Europe-decides-against-debate-on-Poland

UH-OH

And there I was, thinking that the ENTIRE EU was deeply concerned and critical of Poland and about to impose MASSIVE SANCTIONS against the evil kaczynski state :-D
OP delphiandomine 88 | 18,131
25 Jan 2016 #1,418
I love the fact that you don't understand what the difference is between the Council of Europe and the EU :D The two are completely different things.
NocyMrok
25 Jan 2016 #1,419
The two are completely different things.

LOL. Council is a very important tool of EU and believe me their decision will be respected.
kondzior 11 | 1,046
25 Jan 2016 #1,420
I love he fact that you dont realise that marches are nothing new in polish politics: in 2005-2007 PO organized such marches, then it was PiS in 2007-2015 (in 2014 they protested "in defence of democracy and freedom of media", just like those guys today), and now it's again PO and modern (bankster puppets). The big difference is that today our former prime minister from PO is the head of European Commision, so suddenly the marches aren't some weird thing that political leaders and a bunch of pensioners do, but A SIGN OF A DEMOCRACY IN PERIL
NocyMrok
25 Jan 2016 #1,421
If PO had had won the elections and PiS supporters started rallies Delph would be the first one to aim a water-cannon at protesters. That's his vision of democracy. Leftist radical
OP delphiandomine 88 | 18,131
25 Jan 2016 #1,422
LOL. Council is a very important tool of EU and believe me their decision will be respected.

Looks like your knowledge of European institutions is similar to your knowledge of business : nil.

The two are separate institutions with separate aims.
NocyMrok
25 Jan 2016 #1,423
The two are separate institutions with separate aims.

You shall see. Of course then you'll find another excuse.
OP delphiandomine 88 | 18,131
25 Jan 2016 #1,424
Not really. The Council of Europe has no power to order any binding resolutions on Poland, whereas the European Union does.

I read today that the European Commission has opened another investigation into PiS over the destruction of Białowieża Forest. It seems that the passion for destroying Białowieża is so strong that no-one has ever seen anything like it before.
NocyMrok
26 Jan 2016 #1,425
You really can't read. I said that the opinion of council will be respected by EU. You'll see I'm right very soon.
OP delphiandomine 88 | 18,131
26 Jan 2016 #1,426
Not likely. The Council of Europe is made up of representatives from places such as Russia and Albania as well as EU countries, so what they say has no relation to the work of the European Parliament or European Commission.

More to the point, Verhofstadt is a formidable opponent and one that has a huge amount of connections in the EU.
NocyMrok
26 Jan 2016 #1,427
Verhofstadt

looks like Hitler's twin brother.
jon357 74 | 22,060
26 Jan 2016 #1,428
More to the point, Verhofstadt is a formidable opponent and one that has a huge amount of connections in the EU.

A very good guy.

looks like Hitler's twin brother.

Never trust a politician with a twin.
NocyMrok
26 Jan 2016 #1,429
Never trust a politician with a twin.

This is as valid as "never trust homos"
jon357 74 | 22,060
26 Jan 2016 #1,430
Much more valid and a rather (rare for you) interesting comment, since we know that the president who had a twin was an absolute disaster, and we know that his twin, Jaroslaw is what you quaintly call a 'homo'.

What an awful pair, what an awful political cult.

No wonder so many people come out on the streets to save Poland's democracy from the Kaczynski/Macierewicz/Ziobro Cult.
Polonius3 993 | 12,357
26 Jan 2016 #1,431
to save Poland's democracy

...You mean to save Polish demcoracy for a forrely privileged, now disentitled niche group pushed away from the trough by the Polish voter.
NocyMrok
26 Jan 2016 #1,432
so many people come out on the streets to save Poland's democracy

As many as 0.24% of population. Sooooo many
Crow 154 | 9,004
26 Jan 2016 #1,433
and so EU turned to be absolute debacle. This attempt of ruinous western Europe to harm Poland would stay remembered as their last mistake, when it come to games and manipulations with Poland. What is enough is enough.

i see now that Gavrilo Princip did well, for sacrificed himself when, among else, initiated chain reaction of events that led to independence of back then Poland. Poles do like independence.
Polonius3 993 | 12,357
26 Jan 2016 #1,434
A very good guy.

Who? Hitler or Verhofstadt?
jon357 74 | 22,060
26 Jan 2016 #1,435
forrely privileged, now disentitled niche grou

A strange dismissal of the majority of Poles who don't support the current regime. Only a clown would suggest that the tens of thousands of ordinary Poles attending the Polish pro-democracy rallies are "forrely (sic) privileged".

Hitler

If that's the best you can do,met looks like you're running out of steam.
Wulkan - | 3,187
26 Jan 2016 #1,436
A strange dismissal of the majority of Poles who don't support the current regime.

Even bigger majority of Poles didn't support the previous regime for 8 years.
jon357 74 | 22,060
26 Jan 2016 #1,437
Are the Polish pro-democracy rallies about a previous administration?

No. They're because people don't like the regime now.
Polonius3 993 | 12,357
26 Jan 2016 #1,438
privileged

Ask about next tiem you mingle and hobnob with that mob. Retired schoolteacher, bookkeeper, offcie worker, public officials, etc. sound innocuous enough until you find out they were in the PZPR like Balcerowicz, Kuroń, Miller, Kwaśniewski and others.
jon357 74 | 22,060
26 Jan 2016 #1,439
Don't be so silly Po, more than half of the people who take part in the Polish pro-democracy rallies weren't old enough to be members of a political party that wound down in 1989.
Ironside 53 | 12,422
26 Jan 2016 #1,440
They are nothing more than a bunch of idiots lead by the prominent beneficiaries of the pervious regime. Democracy is not in danger, they heave been marching for months without any provocation set up by the Police which was a standard procedure when PO was in change. They exercise their democratic rights crying at the same time about democracy in danger those people are morons.

Majority of them are in their 50s or 60s.
Now, they are getting aggressive, a group of them attacked an elderly lady.


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