Demonstrations in Poland in defence of democracy.

KOD has nothing to do with defending democrasy. Szydlo explained it yesterday and it was widely accepted apart from the hungry for money oposition of course.

KOD has everything to do with defending democracy against a bunch of power hungry, nepotistic clowns hell bent on destroying Poland. The latest story has the new CEO of PZU just so coincidentally having very close links to Adam Hoffman. Surprise, surprise.


Remind me why the tender effectively requires PiS to buy German cars?


Supermarkets are already open for the vast majority of the day. Are you seriously suggesting that people should have to work unsociable hours to replace their hours on Sundays? More to the point - many people working Sundays cannot work other days. Auchan for instance uses a lot of older people that might well have other commitments Monday-Friday - they're known for their flexibility towards staff.

And no, the entire nation wouldn't have a glorious day off. Quite the opposite, given the large list of professions that we showed you have to work regardless.

Anyway, the Hungarians already did an impact study. Bear in mind that Hungary is a far smaller country, we have these figures


hungarianspectrum.org/2015/03/20/what-is-behind-the-sunday-closing-of-hungarian-retail-stores/

Converted into Polish conditions...(9.9 million people in Hungary, 38.5 million in Poland - so 4x more)

- A loss of 40,000 to 60,000 jobs
- Unemployment insurance would cost around 0.012-0.020 billion
- A loss of around 1.48-1.52 billion PLN in income tax and social security payments
- Lost sales of around 1.16 billion PLN
- VAT losses of around 0.44 billion PLN
- Sunday closing would cost Poland around 2.5-2.8 billion PLN

This is exactly why we're taking to the streets, because we want to defend Poland against a reckless government that does things for their own purposes as opposed to what's best for Poland. The nepotism surrounding PiS is incredible, and they've made it very clear that Party loyalty is more important than actual qualifications to do the job. We can see the ruinious effect of the PiS government, including the złoty in freefall against other currencies.

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@Delph: don't tell us that oligarches such as Petru (I'm always suspicious of very quick money especially in post communist countries ;)) do care about the little guy! Petru is most probably the most dangerous person in Poland. I'm sure that Petru never goes to supermarkets, one of his Ukrainian illegal maids must do the shopping for him and family. With him, most Poles would be unemployed or would work for peanuts, obviously on garbage contracts, with no rights whatsover and the few rich would be as rich as could be. It may not be brilliant now but with guys of his kind, it would be much worse and a total disaster.

I remember when people of his kind a few years ago wanted to take renta rodzina away from widows (who have to be at least 50 years old to qualify) and suggested such widows to .... open their own businesses instead of depending upon the State. Sorry, for me, it's most cynical and abject and I would never support people who don't respect their weaker fellow citizens. With Petru and consorts, it is "everything for the very rich and nothing for the others". Alhtough Polish (and other) voters are most unpredictable, I really hope Poles will never be so stupid as to vote Petru in. When I see his face (I try not to), I feel like vomitting....

But elections are in 3 years and 10 months... a bit early for the campaign. And no there will be no early elections I can bet a lot of money with you about that only if you had a pair to back up your claims.


Don't worry, this person will never have the power, he is a well known clown in Poland.

"lol" for picture! Should Urząd Skarbowy investigate re his millions, they may find "interesting" things ;).

I don't recall writing much about coalminers - though, as you should know, coalminers in Poland have it easy compared to coalminers in our own country where for generations it was a halfstep away from slavery (thru institutions like scrip and the company store).

But even in the best of conditions mining is a dirty, dangerous business (I remember being in the cemetery in Lubin and being shocked at how many young men were buried in their 30's...


No. Moralność Kalego is "Gdy Kali ukraść krowę, to dobrze, gdy Kalemu ukraść krowę, to źle" (roughly: When Kali steal cow that good, when steal cow from Kali that bad). In other words it's replacing moral principles of right and wrong with the criteria of personal benefit.

The party doing that now is PiS "When constitution stop PiS that bad, when Pis stop constitution that good".

Personal prejudice in this case. You worry about the relatively few emergency workers who do major shopping on Sunday but not about the milllions who would like nothign better than Sudnay off- The coalminers were just na example of a group no-one has ever heard you express your concern about. When Soldiarity was first emerging, one of the miners' demands were free Sundays.

A free Sunday law coudl make exceptions for corner shops. At present, petrol stations stock food, so they too could be exemtped. BTW in the US the concept of selling booze at petrol staitons as is the case in Poland would sound weird and freaky indeed.

That's not my argument at all. My argument that there is no clear consensus on this issue. Every poll I've seen (not many) has the population split right down the middle between people who want stores closed on Sunday and those that don't, maybe with a slight edge to the latter.

Enacting a law that would have serious economic consequences (negative) and serious unemployment consequences (negative) when there is no strong majority wanting said law is simply bad policy making. I'm not an ideologue - beyond being in favor of what works and being against what doesn't work (no matter how appealing it might be to some).

Since there are no stores only open on Sundays that I know of and no other coercion making people shop on Sunday then a reasonable conclusion is that most people shopping on Sundays want to be doing that. And I'm sure most of the people working on Sunday would rather be doing that than sit at home unemployed (if they preferred unemployment then they wouldn't have a job in the first place).

Now, should public opinion shift towards around 2/3 in favor of closing stores on Sunday then it _might_ be a reasonable idea, but enacting policies that don't have a lot of support with the idea that "they'll learn to love it!" is a half-step away from totalitarianism.

But I don't think anything will happen at this time. This is an issue that shows up every couple of years, gets batted around and then it goes away. It's mostly a non-issue meant to distract people.

Polish patriots! These so called democratic demonstrations designed to destabilise Polish government that is more pro Polish folk than foreign sharks. Interestingly, when bum licking PO was in charge none of the foreigners on this forum supported any democratic demonstrations. The reason is that anything that serves Poland and not foreigners will be targeted on this forum by foreigners who want to bend Polish system in their favour.

Not true! I always support the right to demonstrate against government policies (whether or not I agree with the protestors).

I expect an apology!

Hahah, so you support any label "demonstrations for democracy" not the actual principle behind the demonstrations, ****! We need more clever people like you in Poland if we want to destroy our Poland all together.

Do try to improve your reading comprehension. I support the right of people to protest government policies they dislike. Protestors do not need my approval or disapproval.

I'm not really the protesting kind but people protesting (in a reasonably orderly fashion) is a sign of a healthy society.

That's what meant genius. To oppose you need to oppose with understanding of what you are actually opposing.

That is an obvious truth. Jon, Wulkan, delph, Dougpol1 are all foreigners who care about themselves (just like Petru) or live abroad for so many years that they have lost contact with reality. I'm happy that even InPolska has changed her attitude recently.

Thankfully real Poles are way different and it is clearly seen more intelligent. They don't whine on this forum. They decided in the democratic elections that our country needs changes and that Poland should work in favour of Poles and not banksters or foreign powers claiming to know better what we want, think and what's best for us.

Even if I'm not really a die hard PiS supporter I do see that EU's dictatorship is wrong and will do more harm than good. I don't want my home country to become another France, Germany or UK with no Borders, no values my grandparents lost lives in defence of and most importantly I don't want to feel like an average Brit thinking if he still is "home" after waking up and hearing kakofonia of dozens of languages.

Why would I bet you when anyone with common sense can see that the Kukiz-allied narodowcy will support PiS in the event of Gowin trying to split the party? And as I keep saying, I don't want early elections. I'd rather that PiS stay in power and show everyone exactly how utterly incompetent they are - 4 years of economic damage will soon convince everyone to show them the door. The centrist voters are already discovering that their summer holidays are quite a bit more expensive now...


Exactly.

It's unbelievable that a party with such a thin majority is behaving in this way. Still, shows that the majority of PiS MP's also have no backbone as well.

Really? How did you get here?

You could vote for PO last year. Oh... you couldn't. You're not Polish but somehow you feel like it's your duty to undermine my country and it is you who tell people they have no backbone. ROFL

Au contraire, I want to protect your country against a bunch of nepotistic opportunists who pretend to care about Poland so that they can bleed the country dry.

Funny how the people shouting loudest against KOD on this forum are the ones that don't live here, though.

Poles don't care what you want. We don't want your "help" and never asked you for it. Who are you to tell us that you know better? Who are you to tell us that we need your help? If your mission is to "help" some country then go back home and help there.

NocyMrok, why are u so racist?

delphiandomine help poland with liberal ideas :)) it can help!

The massive amount of demonstrations tomorrow suggest otherwise.


Less of the "we", given that you live in the UK.

Two weeks ago I permanently moved back home. Besides amount of KOD protesters is irrelevant to you not being asked for any "help". Actually you and alike have been officially asked to stay away from our internal decisions a while ago in Brussels.

Good, give it a few weeks and you'll soon tire of reading about the sheer amount of nepotism in PiS.


On the contrary, it's clear that the opposition is happy for everyone to help against this pro-Russia government.

delphiandomine, do you want euro in poland? i think it help poland.

salary is low here but maybe EU could kick PiS out :)) cultural marxism is better than nepotism! imo

delph " I want to protect your country " you are sounding a bit colonial, when do you get your polish citizenship?

You are talk sides in Poland. You are on the wrong side but that is your choice. I don't care about that I'm only curious why is that that a Scot seems to be involved on side of banksters, oligarchy, and that post-communist system. Is that a learned choice, misunderstanding or something else. A genuine question.

So why are you living in the UK then? I suffer the cacophony of football fans chanting inane Polish nonsense here on a matchday, and would much prefer some intelligent wit in Urdu, Jamaican slang, or African French.......

And as for PIS and what is happening, my psychology professor learner has just entered her verdict on Ms Szydlo's performance at the European parliament, and her coterie in general, as ".........a very interesting case study.." which is professional speak for ".....they are all barking mad." :)


People living here do. The sooner the better. Damage limitation. The longer this goes on, the harder it will be to put Humpty Dumpty together again. Stands to reason.....


OK. Welcome back to the asylum. And yes, Szydlo did have to explain herself to her EU masters. Like I am my dog's master. Because he eats the food I provide.

If you get the connection......

Well do you get 125% of what you fed the dog with back? Because Germany does. Or do you feed your dog at interest?

So a march by the Commitee for Defence of Democracy was planned in Poznań. When KORWiN got wind of it they registered a march against irresponsible immigration policy and for solidarity with the victims of Cologne. As two marches can't go at the same time, democracy had to fend for itself.

Ok this was just an excuse to post this:
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Korwin's grills :-)