Demonstrations in Poland in defence of democracy.

Hahahahauha at EU! Debate about Poland will end up as a debate in defence of Democracy within EU itself. Hahahahhahahah. We stopped Islamic savage flooding the Continent in the battle for Vienna. We fought Nazis. We kicked out bolsheviks basically out of Europe. We created 1st constitution in Europe. Now we will make a revolution within Eurocratic Regime Organisation. Hahahhahahahaa. By questioning our values and our direction EU has shot itself in a foot. They chose wrong country to pick on.

Hahahhahahahaa!!! Hilarious

EU is criminal organization. Its not place for Poles

No perhaps about it, google it for yourself.

These demonstrations will soon wear themselves out when the people see that they are accomplishing nothing.
Gives the idolers something to do on the bleak winter days in Poland.
Once nice weather comes everyone will be busy with other things of importance like family picnics.


Absolutely, however after reading his post of him pretending to be an authoritive Pole I can see how this surprises you.

The pro-government forces have been saying that since day 1. Hasn't happened yet. There have been some interesting changes over the last two weeks as well, so things should grow and grow now.

All these demonstrations is some sort of blague. No one in their right senses pays any serious attention to them. As a typical TV viewer in Poland (various channels), I didn't notice them at all and it was a great surprise for me to discover in one of your posts that there are so many of them planned ahead.

Really, I would be more interested in the new theory that Scots are "Sarmat after Sarmat", so they are practically Poles. That would make big headlines in the news!

" No one in their right senses pays any serious attention to them"

Must admit no one here in the villages is bothered about politics or politicians, it was -21 up the hill last night the ground is frozen and the farmers have no casual work to give out, so I have a queue outside for fikey and zloty, doing my best to help, non of them are bothered about demonstrating they are just surviving so outside the yuppie richly city dwellers, no one is interested. and that's the majority of the population.

How much less than sod all does one need to know about Poland to think that there are yuppies in 35 cities in Poland?!

The key word here is "should".
Never should on yourself !
These demonstrations are allowed for the mere purpose to let the losers let off some steam and nothing more.
Eventually they will run out of steam.
If you had a 40 hour a week job and three kids to support you wouldn't have time for such nonsense.

I'm loving the idea of Nowy Targ yuppies personally :D

Johnny : that's why demonstrations are on Saturdays, so that the maximum amount of people can attend. People do attend with children, because these demonstrations are peaceful and free of trouble/bad language/other things associated with pro-PiS demonstrations.

"sod all does one need to know about Poland" harry you so funny, I have seen the worst of it in the cities, I still have family (unlike you) that live in the worst most deprived part of them, but out here where I am Its; harder believe me ( I know that you won't listen) you just want to argue all night and spew your diarrhea all over PF.

How is your tummy by the way?

Parents on Saturday usually do something with their children after they have worked a 40 hour week that the children enjoy like taking them fishing or building a snowman.

Only a self centered parent would be so abusive as to drag a child to a boring silly demonstration to get some fresh air.
Supporting your government is what children should be taught, as John F. Kennedy once stated: "Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country."

I would not bring my kids to demonstrations. It is not their business to attend and also it can be dangerous....

Sounds exactly the kind of thing that would've been written in Trybuna Ludu to discourage parents from attending Solidarność demonstrations. For what it's worth, I've seen quite a few happy kids at demonstrations here.


"For democracy, any man would give his only begotten son."


Can't imagine many Republican parents encouraging their children to support the Obama administration. More to the point, JFK's words are true, but only if the government acts in your interests. This one is far more interested in destroying our interests.


I believe you, I've done plenty of travelling around Dolnoslaskie. It's exactly those poor people that we want to defend from a government that promised no tax increases and instead is going about taxing the living hell out of Polish families.


KOD demonstrations are anything but. People are smiling and cheerful at them.

Thank You delph

"I believe you, I've done plenty of travelling around Dolnoslaskie. It's exactly those poor people that we want to defend from a government that promised no tax increases and instead is going about taxing the living hell out of Polish families".

I don't care which party is in power, something needs to be done down here, its -18 at the moment old people die and not because of alcohol, because they have no money for enough food or fuel to keep warm. Demonstrate yes i would to keep these people warm and fed, who needs new EU funded pretty renovation projects, people here need to eat and be warm.

@Delph: "people are smiling" for the time being but if demos were to last, they would attract counter-demos and violence could be expected. Anyway, kids should go to school, play, have fun and not be forced to attend adult things....

@Dolno: true! I have been told that one of the reason why Poland is so polluted especially in winter is because a lot of folks have no other choice than burning their garbage in order to keep warm. I know several people who live 10 minutes' walk from Centrum Warszawa whose flats are not connected to city's central heating. They have individual heating and fortunately they can afford the bills because several hundreds of ZL per winter month. What about those who cannot afford? No demos on their behalf?

InPolska Spot on , in winter when I put out my plastic recycle bin half of it is emptied before the bin men get here, they take the plastic home and mix it with bits of wood and burn it,

If I have scrap wood from my renovations i put it outside for people to take and burn.

This is nuts in Europe 2016.

" What about those who cannot afford? No demos on their behalf? Exactly Inpolska Exactly.

@Dolno: several people who live in Zakopane told me that a reason why the town is so polluted (and some think they'll get great mountain air ;)) is that a lot of people burn their garbage.

I must admit that I am NOT interested in all the circus re demos because I first of all, think that Poland (like all countries) has bigger priorities: giving a fair deal to all! Poland can be very cold in winter and when we know that a lot of people also in towns don't have proper heating or have no heating at all, it is scarry and it should be a priority. I know a woman living right downtown Warsaw who has to pay some 500 zl per month to heat her flat; she can afford but many others cannot.... Back home, people with lower incomes are financially helped by the state or by their city authorities so they can heat their homes... What bugs me about Poland is that so many people are left out of the system. Retired people cannot also buy their medication, but so what???? I'm sure that those above don't give a d.. about demos.

Inpolska, I agree with you entirely, most of the so called spa towns are terribly polluted in the winter, and when you say " 500 zl per month to heat her flat" this is crazy landlords are ripping people off for basic utilities, people have no real consumer protection in Poland.

Why should old people have to pay for medication, this is driving me nuts, I watch all the ads on the tv for new cars, perfume and other fripperies, so there must be people who live the dolce vita, come yuppie life who just don't give a stuff about those who are struggling, but they will moan and demonstrate if 1 percent is taken from them in tax to help the poor.

Not all demos are equally relevant and valuable. "S" was struggling against the red regime, but the regime held its own demos against real or imagined Zionists in 1968, and Adolf's torchlight marches were also well known. Persuading people that by chanting, ranting and waving placards they are somehow defending democracy is the heigth of idiocy. The only achievemetn of these sorry spectacles is depriving people of their day off and damaging Poland's international reputation.

The problem is that the money isn't getting taken to help the poor. The money is getting taken to fund fat salaries for Party members. Let's also not mention how they want to give 500zł for the 2nd child onwards regardless of income - so that wealthy bloke in the big house down the road from you will have his green fees paid, while the elderly woman that was promised free medicine will get next to nothing. Oh, and that woman that can't work across the road because she's had a kidney transplant? Well, she's now paying a lot more for her anti-rejection drugs.

Moderators: why so much xenophobia, racism and more generally hatred in PF's messages?

Because the Progressive Liberals use those words out of context.
Take racist for example.........Undocumented is not a race, it's a criminal so don't call me a racist because I have a problem with 800,000 criminals at large in Europe.

The Lefties use those words without proper meaning to paint a picture of hate to the truth.


Taken from who delph ?
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, teach a man how to fish and feed him for his life.
Socialism only works until the other guys money runs out.

The poorest, so far. The plans for taxation so far all hurt the poorest in society the most.


Quite. Unfortunately, education spending isn't a priority for this government.

This is how the demonstrations look like under the new president.

The poorest in society receive welfare from the government.
Remember however that the government can't give something to someone that they haven't taken from someone first.


You being a teacher are living proof.

@Johnny: if you talk about welfare, there is nothing as such in Poland and that's also why millions of Poles move west.

Here you are not only half-wrong, but you are totally wrong. There is welfare in Poland, but it is not as generous as in Western Europe. The new PiS government of which you haven't said anything good yet plans to develop welfare state in Poland and notably with regard to families so as to expand the birth rate, but also stop emmigration.

sorry "welfare" is no more than symbolic in Poland and nobody can even survive on that. Who can survive on a few hundreds of zl (at most)?. In most generous western countries, people receive some 800/1,000 euros and in some cases more and even if not "rich", they can survive and don't need to move abroad for bread.

It the (PiS) government can and is willing to do anything to help the weakest, I'm all for it. It is digusting to see so many Poles having to clean toilets abroad, to see so many elderly who cannot buy their medications. Poles have to demand better conditions and if necessary to go down to the street (I won't join them)

We collect the old lady next door's pension for her. It's 1100PLN/month. I spend that filling the car.

Clearly not familiar with Poland, are you?


Instead, they plan to force the poorest to pay for television regardless if they own one or not, they plan to force a 2% extra tax on all retail sales and they've forced a tax on banks which the state-controlled (and by far the biggest bank) PKO have passed on to their clients. Not to mention the disgusting way that they massively increased the price of medicine for those that have received transplants.

They're doing nothing to help the poorest.

Apart, of course, from the sales made in volumes which make transporting the good from a warehouse in Slovakia economically viable, i.e. the kind of purchases that it's harder for those less well off to make. Only the PISed-up could manage to make Vimes' theory of economic injustice even sharper while simultaneously claiming to be standing up for the worse off.