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Demonstrations in Poland in defence of democracy.


Polonius3 994 | 12,367
15 Jan 2016 #991
pro democracy march

I was replying to lower-case jon's attack on the late Warsaw Mayor Lech Kaczyński who he claimed was "known for banning marches that he disagreed with".

He only banned a pervert parade and rightfully so considering the collateral psychological and educational damage caused by such abominable spectacles.
Not the mention the waste of taxpayer money on police protection and the inconvenience to townsfolk posed by disrupting normal traffic.
Roger5 1 | 1,448
15 Jan 2016 #992
gay pride march

pervert parade

You say potato, I say potarto.
Whatever disgusts you, banning peaceful marches did not cover LK in glory.
Harry
15 Jan 2016 #993
Mods, are you deliberately letting Polo drive this thread off topic so you have an excuse for permanently closing this thread?
Polonius3 994 | 12,367
15 Jan 2016 #994
gay pride marches

What's there to be proud of?
jon357 74 | 21,770
15 Jan 2016 #995
Then what was that Arab-rape episode over New Year's all about

Nothing to to with the Polish pro-democracy movement, that much is clear.

Whatever disgusts you, banning peaceful marches did not cover LK in glory.

It harmed his already bad reputation and the media coverage almost certainly had a negative affect on the perception of Poles and tourism income in Warsaw.
Polonius3 994 | 12,367
15 Jan 2016 #996
tourism

Homo-tourism is something Poland can do without. Send 'em all to Bangkok!
Money isn't everything!
jon357 74 | 21,770
15 Jan 2016 #997
Po3, you really do come across here as someone without any redeeming features whatsoever. I hope the reality is different, but suspect it isn't.
Polonius3 994 | 12,367
15 Jan 2016 #998
any redeeming features

At least we know all know what you think of Christians who are disgusted by bloke on bloke perversion and want to protect impressionable youngsters from it. Each to their own!
jon357 74 | 21,770
15 Jan 2016 #999
You're obsessed. Fortunately decent people are not, and the tens of thousands of people attending the Polish pro-democracy rallies certainly don't seem to have such 'issues'.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,149
15 Jan 2016 #1,000
bad reputation and the media coverage almost certainly had a negative affect on the perception of Poles and tourism income in Warsaw.

Perhaps among homos. You see, homo tourism is not the centre of the universe. Most likely income from religion related tourism is several times bigger. You gays live in your small "liberal" world but the truth is that it doesn't have much to do with reality. In reality Orban would most likely defeat Merkel in elections for the head of "European Commission" (that if "elites" bothered to organize elections for that position) no matter how many lies about him your "liberal press" spread.

tens of thousands of people attending the Polish pro-democracy rallies

Many more people attend crappy football matches. The whole show was clearly ignored by vast majority of people. Even you "democrats" know it well.
Polonius3 994 | 12,367
15 Jan 2016 #1,001
pro-democracy rallies

PiS have reclaiemd their lead in the latest CBOS poll:
PiS - 39
Petru -22
PO - 13

Thta strongly suiggests that all the clamorous KOD hoopla attarcts only certain niche groups, not the nation at large.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,149
15 Jan 2016 #1,002
reclaiemd their lea

They never really lost it...
Polonius3 994 | 12,367
15 Jan 2016 #1,003
They never really lost

There was that one poll that showed Petru in the lead, but maybe it was a fabrication or. One wouldn't put it past that Komitet Obrony Koryta lot and their media toadies.

people from all ages

Younger Poles mają ich w d*pie. Try Google translate for that.
KOD protesters are dominaterd by those old enough to have been in the PZPR. MO, ORMO, retired PRL-era army officers, commies-turned-businessmen after 1989 and assorted Michnikites of KPP ancestry.
Librarius - | 91
15 Jan 2016 #1,004
KOD protesters

They found universal formula for success: to repeat loudly enough trendy slogans of the time.
OP delphiandomine 88 | 18,163
15 Jan 2016 #1,005
Latest information from KOD...

List of KOD demonstrations on 23.10. Further information to come.

1. BIA£YSTOK - 12:00, Rynek Kościuszki, "Białystok za Demokracją bez Inwigilacji"
2. BYDGOSZCZ
3. ELBLĄG - 12:00, Pomnik Ofiar Grudnia 1970 - plac Solidarności, "Elbląg dla demokracji nie inwigilacji"
4. E£K - 12:00, Park Solidarności
5. GDAŃSK
6. JELENIA GÓRA
...

facebook.com/KomitetObronyDemokracji/
Polonius3 994 | 12,367
15 Jan 2016 #1,006
Latest information from

Just goes to show the country is riddled with ex-PZPR people, post-nomenklatura types and Michnikite-style leftists. Many joined SLD and similar groupings. After all Gierek's PZPR had 3 mln member and they didn't all die off or move to Madagascar. And most had families. That explains why there are so many in the 40-60 age group marching under koryta banners, because they feel disentitled. After the roundtable Poland got divided into the nachapani and #. Now the formerly nachapani got # and they don't like it one damn bit!

OPRpost-nomenklatura types
OP delphiandomine 88 | 18,163
15 Jan 2016 #1,007
Just goes to show the country is riddled with ex-PZPR people

Indeed. One can find them at the very heart of the PiS government.

These demonstrations next Saturday are against the new law introduced by PiS that will allow unlimited spying on residents of Poland without judicial oversight.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,149
15 Jan 2016 #1,008
List of KOD demonstrations on 23.10.

Yawn... any bets on the number of participants ?
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,149
15 Jan 2016 #1,010
Will you make it a million like the leader of a party that lost latest democratic elections planned ?

polska.newsweek.pl/demonstracje-przeciw-pis,artykuly,376662,1.html
Polonius3 994 | 12,367
15 Jan 2016 #1,011
22. ZAKOPANE

Here's No. 23: Dupia Wólka: big rally planned in village square, but it got called off. The sołtys had a bad hangover so his remaining two office staff decided not to come. Two grass-roots partrticipants not attached to the sołectwo office turned out but seeing nobody there made a beeline to the village inn instead. They left their PETRU NA PREZYDENTA banner outside.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,149
15 Jan 2016 #1,012
Two grass-roots partrticipants

Perhaps expats... ?
dolnoslask
15 Jan 2016 #1,013
Polonious "The sołtys had a bad hangover" haha you should meet our village pijany cheating sołtys.

You know far too much about Poland to be accused of not being Polish.
Polonius3 994 | 12,367
16 Jan 2016 #1,014
demonstrations

How many idiots did they get to give up their Saturday off to trudge through the slush and chill their gonads for foreign banks and nomenklatura pushed away from the trough?

Głupich nie sieją, sami się rodzą!
Borsukrates 5 | 131
16 Jan 2016 #1,015
Here's No. 23: Dupia Wólka: big rally planned in village square, but it got called off.

"Dupia Wólka" doesn't exist.

How many idiots did they get to give up their Saturday off to trudge through the slush and chill their gonads for foreign banks and nomenklatura

Do you always call strangers "idiots" just because you disagree with them ? I suspect you don't, because there are only so many punches your face can take. But here inside my monitor, you can be brave.
kondzior 11 | 1,046
16 Jan 2016 #1,016
Meanwhile in Poland...

The gubmint has just validated the project of a law meant to reform some parts of the way the police and the secret services operate, now it will have to be delivered to the senate. Within is a very controversial law that allows the services to shamelessly spy on the populace by putting the internet and people's correspondence under surveillance! Or at least that's what you'll hear in the news about this. But for the meantime, let us travel a bit back in time...

The first version of this law was passed in 2006, back when PiS was first in power (2005-2007). The law said that the services could inspect people's correspondence at their leisure, with no external check overseeing this. They could just go ahead and gain access to people's stuff, including tech data like who sent a message to whom but also the actual contents of said messages.

PiS was valiantly dethroned in 2007 and PO (2007-2015) took the steering wheel.

The 2006 law was still in effect. And nothing kept changing about it until finally in 2014 (!) someone brought it to the attention of the constitutional court, which deemed the law to be unconstitutional and that it would have to be reformed. The court even provided advice regarding an easy and quick way of fixing it - the secret service could still inspect technical data of any given communications, but a limit would need to be imposed on the way they'd access the content. For instance, that limit could be regional court rulings that would judge whether such breaches of confidentiality were necessary in security proceedings.

The court ruling was proclaimed in july 2014. The gubmint (PO) did nothing about it. They just showed the court the middle finger and left the ruling to rot.

Fastforward to today, the project by PiS is a de facto carrying out of the constitutional court's ruling. It takes the old 2006 law that gave the services unlimited surveillance potential and imposes upon it an additional check in the form of regional court rulings being necessary to access private message contents.

The public outcry to this is, naturally, DEATH OF DEMOCRACY! TYRANNY! MASS-SURVEILLANCE! ABSOLUTELY NEW DRACONIAN LAW THAT HAS NEVER BEEN SO BAD BEFORE!

The deal is also being attached to the central media narrative that 'pis has been in power for barely 2 months and they are passing new totalitarian laws in record speed!' without mentioning that speed is of the essence in this particular case, because the court's ruling *has* to be carried out before 6th february this year. Otherwise, the entire part of the law that was deemed unconstitutional would get scrapped automatically and would have to be written up and passed again from ground up (among massive ensuing legislative chaos no doubt).

FASCISM! HOW DARE THEY! A COUP D'ETAT! COMMUNISM AT ITS FINEST! HELP ME MERKEL!

Meanwhile, one of the chief corporate cronies from the opposition, mr Petru, claims:

The government wants to gather 38 million blackmail opportunities with this law. The secret services will be able to view all email now. This is hard even from the opposition's point of view. It means I won't be able to send my future parliamentary speeches via email. There are very bad things going on. Under the guise of terrorism they will be able to introduce an orwellian surveillance network. I ask, why do they even need that at all?

oink oink
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,149
16 Jan 2016 #1,017
Another episode of the madness. Daniel Fried, a former US Ambassador to Poland, now sanctions coordinator at the US State Department, is coming to Poland next week. What happens next ? A guy from Soros financed NGO start screaming that US is worried about the situation in Poland, that's why they send Fried to "control" things.

Then Fried speaks up that he is coming... to talk about sanctions on Russia...

fakty.interia.pl/polska/news-usa-chca-skontrolowac-polske-fried-wyjasnia-powod-swojej-wiz,nId,1955535#commentsZoneList
dolnoslask
16 Jan 2016 #1,018
Best America keeps its nose out of Poland, after all they rebuilt Germany with the Marshall plan after they sold Poland into decades of soviet slavery in Yalta.

Better he visits aunt Merkel instead.
Polonius3 994 | 12,367
16 Jan 2016 #1,019
for foreign banks and nomenklatura

Well, Deph, what's the head count this weekend? Probably at least 500,000, maybe a full million sloshed through th slush nationwide in defence of foreign banks and nomenklatura. Long live the feed trough!
weeg
17 Jan 2016 #1,020
Marshall plan

You know that ,even after adjustment for inflation, the EU is giving more money to Poland than the entire Marshall plan (all the countries)?


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