Demonstrations in Poland in defence of democracy.

Delph missed out on the excitement of the heady Solidarność and turbulent martial-law period, so he's trying to make up for lost time. He likes to fantisise and imagine himself as Petru's right-hand man or least one of the leading KOD conspirators. Boys like to play.

He isn't American (and he'll be Polish long before you ever are). You seem to overlook that the percentage of Poles who voted for the puppet regime of the Dear Leader Chairman Kaczynski was about the same as the percentage of Poles who joined the PZPR back in the day, and support for the PISed-up has fallen by about a third since the elections.


I do understand that it could seem that way from fifteen thousand kilometres away, but here in Poland the reality is very different to the one you would like people to believe.

You live in Australia, so what would you know about what is happening here?

The events of today, where PiS have made it crystal clear that the prosecutors will now be politically controlled and without any independence says it all.


I don't need to ask. Accusing others of being Targowica when everyone knows fine well that PiS are adopting a heavy pro-Russia policy is a classic attack.

Couple of years ago PiS was a synonime of rusophoby now it's pro-russian... You liberals have no standards.

We didn't know then that PiS intended to appoint endless defenders of Russia and Russian policies to top positions. Now we know.

Back then not knowing facts didn't stop you from using invectives and call bad names. Knowing facts isn't your policy.

Could you perhaps point to anyone from KOD using bad names?

Not an expert on Polish politics but maybe someone can clarify it for me.

The recent changes made by the PiS party, legal, media and others, were they all known by the electorate prior to the election as part of the PiS election manifesto, if yes, then voters new what they would be voting for, if no then surely the voters have been conned.

As I said, I'm not an expert on Polish politics but is it a case of campaigning to do A but actually end up doing B. If this is the case then I can fully understand the recent demonstrations around the country.

Surely a way to measure this is to ask PiS supporters if they think they were tricked and the party has failed them or ask non PiS supporters if they think PiS got it right and see if either of their opinions of PiS have changed.

Well Doug, are you a trouble maker in a foreign country, you are a guest and you shouldn't misbehave or trying to stir people into doing something rush and illegal. Are a saboteur Doug? I think security forces in Poland should deal with you.

No, these changes were not known. There was no mention that PiS intended to ignore the rule of law, no mention that they planned to paralyse the Constitutional Tribunal, no mention that they intended to appoint endless ex-communists to leading roles in society, etc etc. As you say - the voters have been conned, and it's reflected in the way that opinion polls now put them on as little as 27%.


That's exactly what happened. The promises that PiS did make haven't been met.


Notice the threats of "security forces" by supporters of PiS.

Security forces in any country are interested in foreigners who are making rousing posts and claim that people should fight instead of peacefully demonstrating.


What you know about law in Poland and Constitution you know form the internet

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The answer is very much 'No'.

Name four! OK Piotrowicz and Rzepliński. Oops sorry, Rzepliński was a PO appointee.So that makes only one -- you add 3 more.

These demonstrations in Poland are serious anti-Polish thing. Opposition and certain politicians in Poland now pretend to be prosperous and pro-Polish, while they actually follow their own particular interests and interests of some circles outside of Poland. But it is Duda and new Polish government who took responsibility on itself for future of Poland. Many things indicate that when today`s political opposition of Poland, once ruled Poland, failed to deal with real chalanges. They would like to have sex and to avoid penetration. That is today`s opposition in Poland. Political prostitutes. That all remind me of one old Serbian joke. It says: ``Old man and some granny had sex in nursery house and old man suddenly said- Oh, you are virgin. Granny answered- Ah, those are just my tights.``

What i want to tell you, Poland`s politician scene is deeply divided on those who follow foreign dictate and on those who oppose to foreign dictate. Political struggle to the travesty of politics.

If PO hadn't tried to pull a fast one by illicitly appointed TK judges to retain their monopoly, there would probably not have been a TK issue at all. PiS are fulfilling their campaign promises and also dealing with other necessary legislation as needed.

The ultimate result is likely to be a Poland that has finally concerned itself with and done justice to the many whom the roundtable had disentitled. Only a fraction of the nation has nomenklatura/oligarch roots, but the KOD-ites have attracted the deluded and gullible who have fallen for their deceptive slogans such as allegedly "defending democracy".

Hence the Polish pro-democracy movement and the rapid decline of PiS.

It is KOD's rabble-rousing that is fast becoming déjà vu and appears haded for rapid decline.

Not much of a reply, is it, Po3...

Hilarious to see you describe some of the people who attend the Polish pro-democracy rallies (among my own circle of friends who always attend there are several doctors, several lawyers, a retired theatre director, an Armia Krajowa veteran, a couple of scientists and a Catholic Priest) as "rabble".

Two were improperly appointed and three were properly appointed - when is Duda going to swear them in and stop disgracing the office by scoffing at the law?

It's actually very simple. All PiS have to do is to respect the law. Why do they find it so difficult?

Both sides did something wrong. Rather than beating a dead horse and stirring emotions, the TK has dropped the case for the sake of political harmony. One less pretext for the nomenklatura trough-defenders to harp on. Time to move foward and not dwell on minor past technicalities. The old POappoitned commie Rzepliński's tenure is drawing to a clsoe, so it'll soon be a non-issue.

The TK hasn't dropped the case. Actually, what happened was that the TK ruled that the Sejm's vote was meaningless (and hence, the TK has no decision to rule on) because the decisions of 03.12 and 09.12 are still in effect and must be complied with.

People of any profession can be fooled by glib, slick, fast-talking demogogues. Do they still foolishly beleive they are saving democracy. Have they been told they are actually defending a small nomenklatura/bankster eltie? Maybe they'll finally see the light when their ranks begin to thin and they realise all their ranting and placard waving won't make one bit of difference. Justice must prevail for all except the over-entitled who have been exploiting the nation not only for 26 years but even longer. Equilibrium must prevail!

They cannot do that Capitan Expert.

You are certainly evidence of that....

Jaro and his awful gang, and the 18% of people who voted for them are certainly proof of that

On the contrary, that is one of PiS' drawbacks -- poor PR and inept political marketing. That has always been a PZPR, UD, UW and PO forte and now KOD carries on that heritage. As in advertising, in propaganda it's not important what actually is but what is cleverly presented enough to be believed.

That's rather funny, since all they actually are is PR and political marketing. That and corruption, bigotry, hysteria, fear and criminal behaviour.

The calibre of the people who attend the Polish pro-democracy rallies is in stark contrast to the sinister and threatening behaviour of the PiS regime and their shadowy supporters.

That is disproved by the support enjoyed by KOD who have clearly out-PR-ed PiS.
If PiS PR was so good, it would have neutralised KOD's PiS-bashing. If KOD got their narration across to Brussels, they must've had better power of persuasion.

Let's not forget, that core KOD backers are seasoned poltical survivors who survived PZPR purges and the transition, positioned themselves at the trough and passed their skills on to the next generation.

you can't even get the name correctly