Demonstrations in Poland in defence of democracy.

That's your problem right there. You don't absorb facts from other people's posts, because you know it all already (from encyclopedias...)
AS another poster has pointed out, we have the House of Lords to keep the government in check. Independent. Fair. Humanistic. Experienced professionals and laymen alike, people of all classes.

Poland , on the other hand now has a fledgling dictatorship. Not that you would care - because you don't live here!

Or so is your brainwashed head thinking.


Your House of Lords was pressing Poland to pay money to the Holocaust victims a year ago, truly disturbing.

haaretz.com/jewish/news/1.576913

It doesn't, now run along with your dog instead of wasting your time on things you have no idea about.

Not me. Let's wait and see how the European Parliament see the governments' political games when they meet to discuss Poland on January. Nobody would be surprised to see the financial institutions lowering Polands' credit rating as a result.

That's only for starters unfortunately, but the idiots now running the asylum think they can go back to the pre-war Poland of go it alone insularism. We all know how that went. Anything that loosens Polish ties to Western Europe must mean Putin is wishing himself a very happy New Year.

Nothing, just like they did nothing when PO was messing with TK during their ruling time.

A lowered credit rating is inevitable, as PiS have shown themselves to be unreliable partners and to also be spending more based on uncertain tax receipts.


Couldn't agree more. It makes me laugh to see people like Ironside and Wulkan celebrating Poland "breaking away" from the EU - they're very much the definition of Putin's useful idiots.

Which is an unelected, anti-democratic body, unlike the Polish Senate.


Ah, when the Polish Sejm begins to follow the British democratic maxim of parliamentary sovereignty you condemn it. The hypocrisy is manifestly undeniable.

PiS have not had enough time to show themselves to be reliabkle or unreliable so far... If there are any consequences such as lowered credit rating it will be because of all the mayhem being whipped up by the poor losers creating an aura of chaos and instability. The frustrated losers are so deseprate to hold on to their fast evaporating perks that they are even willing to damage their own counrty's reputation to satisfy their greedy, selfish political ends.

The EU discussion on Poland next month will not impose any sanctions nor even adopt a resolution but at most may issue a non-binding statement.

Wait, isn't your "humanistic" House of Lords a bunch of unelected pricks, including some that got this position by birth (!) and some others that are heads of national church (!) hardly anyone attend ??

Then...


it's not surprising you have no clue what the real democracy is about.

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Nothing gladdens Putin's heart more than the sight of anti-government protesters on the streets of Polish cities, the "useful idiots" badmouthing their own country and dragging an internal row into the international forum. Way to go Michnik, Petru and misguided PF-ers!

Won't happen, just usual scaremongering. Remember have they used to come up with "PiS is going to start war with Russia" nonsense ? Now they switched to "PiS is ally of Putin" which of course is utter nonsense just like previous lie.


Will be meaningless.

Really is that line of scaremongering works for you? Must be coming handy to discipline kids.
The funny fact is that actually PiS are actually pro-EU, hence the way EU or some countries and lobbyist treats them this way is funny. Ig even there will be government run or supported by people like me and W. You wouldn't see that disgustful and despicable acts and tricks on the part of the EU.

Cause they know what they would have got as an answer. Short and to the point!

And some of them were appointed to the House of Lords the old-fashioned way. They bought peerages:
slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/letter_fromlondon/2006/03/so_you_want_to_be_a_lord_.html

How democratic!

NEWS FLASH - THIS JUST IN!

KOD have officially changed their name to KOK (Komitet Obrony Koryta)!

Might one enquire as to the source of such news?

Koryta Translates as Trough (the thing that the Bolshevik piglets fed from) great analogy of the KOD supporters I think.

But I do like the ring of KOK , its a bit like the English cock, which makes me giggle.

Of course pol might have been thinking of the polish word for corridor which has a z at the end.

Or perhaps the news is only known to VIP types at the moment and will be released to the rest of us later?

Have you been to a demonstration? You would soon find out that many people demonstrating are against PiS because they already lived through one totalitarian system and they have no desire to go back there.

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But written under the inspiration of ex-commie president Kwaśniewski over the strong opposition of Soldiarity, the Church and all patriotic, anti-communist forces. Sadly they were overruled by the SLD and their fellow travellers of the roundtable układ.

Already back then they had effectively created a virtual Komitet Obrony Koryta very much like the actual one now beign promtoed by PO losers and Petru types.

"Have you been to a demonstration" No I do not demonstrate against a government that has been voted in by the Polish people, In the same way I did not join in the poll tax demonstrations within the UK, But I would be happy to pay more tax for water cannon and policing to control left wing liberal rabble rousing communists when they do not comply to the rule of a democratically elected government.

When have left wing liberal rabble rousing communists been protesting in Poland?

If you're referring to KOD, you really need to attend a demonstration in person rather than relying on the right wing media.

You need add the letters 'e' and 'x' (and three hyphens) if you're going to accurately describe PIS.

Indeed. I wonder if the poster known as "dolnoslask" is intentionally turning a blind eye to PiS appointing ex-communist after ex-communist to leading roles within the Party.

I certainly know some people attending the demonstrations who were committed anti-Communists (not turncoats in 1989) who point out that the PiS methods of taking over the State are very similar to how Communist parties of old did so.

Harry i don't need English punctuation to describe anything about Poland, I can speak Polish to my friends when we discuss PIS and it's policies, I am not on PF for English lessons, I don't need them in Poland. So please keep them for your students. So if you wish to contribute please stay on topic.

Nice bit of historical revisionism there. The truth is that the Constitution was voted in by the National Assembly with 451 votes for, 40 against and 6 abstentions.

Didn't Jarosław Kaczyński vote "za" in the vote?

Sejm MPs were defending their fatcat jobs and knew ex-commies ruled the roost at that time. More telling were the results of the national refererndum:

a) odpowiedzi "TAK" udzieliło 6 398 316 głosujących,

b) odpowiedzi "NIE" udzieliło 5 571 439 głosujących.

Less than half of all eligible voters took part, so only a small minority voted for the ex-commie constitution, now guarded over by ex-commie Rzepliński.

Niech żyje koryto!

"appointing ex-communist" sadly after Poland was betrayed and sold into Soviet slavery, many Poles had to conform (Or be seen to conform) to the soviet regime, In the same way that some our people were forced to serve under the occupying German and Russian armies during WW2, there is no disgrace in preserving ones life or that of their family.

However, there were a few who commanded the Police,security services to kill their own people, there is no excuse for them.

So I suggest that if anyone has direct knowledge of PIS members or any other Polish official who have committed such crimes they report this to the authorities.

Are you going to tell us the source of that particular piece of news? Or is it just the usual?

Coincidentally, one ethnic group comprising 1% of Poland's population held 40% of the posts in the security apparatus including nearly all its executive positions.
It's best not to name that group to avoid being accused of anti-Norwegianism, anit-Bolivianism or whatever. Amongst he most prominent were (real names in brackets where applicable):

Roman Romkowski (Menasze Grynszpan), Mieczysław Mietkowski (Mojżesz Bobrowicki, Leon Andrzejewski (Ajzen Lajb Wolf), Józef Różański (Goldberg), Edward Kalecki (Ela Szymon Tenenbaum), Kamil Warman, Leon (Lew) Gangel, Ludwik (Salomon) Przysuski, Michał Rosner, Hanna Wierbłowska, Michał (Mojżesz) Taboryski, Zygmunt Braude, Witold Gotman, Feliks (Fiszel) Goldsztajn, Jadwiga Piasecka, Zygmunt (Nechemiasz) Okręt, Roman Garbowski (Rachamiel Garber), Józef Czaplicki (Izydor Kurc), Julian Konar (Jakub Julian Kohn), Leon (Lejba) Rubinstein, Michał (Mojżesz) Taboryski, Józef Czaplicki (Izydor Kurc), Leon Andrzejewski (Ajzen Lajb Wolf), Aleksander Wolski (Salomon Aleksander Dyszko), Józef Kratko, Bernard Konieczny (Bernstein), Julia Brystiger, Jerzy Dagobert £ańcut, Wacław Komar (Mendel Kossoj), Marek Fink (Mark Finkienberg), Józef Światło (Izaak Fleischfarb) and Henryk Piasecki (Chaim Izrael Pesses).

Are you trying to tell us that rather than discussing the demonstrations in Poland in defence of democracy which are the topic of this thread and which way The Dear Leader Chairman Kaczynski voted about the current constitution you prefer to slip back into the fantasy and unpleasant bigotry that has for many years characterised a certain type of PIS supporter?