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Demonstrations in Poland in defence of democracy.


delphiandomine 83 | 17,596
7 Dec 2015  #1
As I'd like to provide a place where English speakers can find out about demonstrations in Poland, here are the demonstrations planned for the coming weekend.

1. Warsaw and the entire country - outside the Constitutional Tribunal, Al.Szucha 12a
2. Poznan and Wielkopolska - facebook.com/events/946338615419389/
3. Wrocław and the whole Lower Silesia
4. Szczecin and Western Pomerania:

All of these demonstrations are planned on Saturday 12th December between 12:00-14:00.

On the 13th of December - Gdańsk and the whole Tri-City and the entire West - also between 12:00-14:00.

I urge all foreigners that care about this country to attend these protests.
Legal Eagle
8 Dec 2015  #2
I urge all Poles who object to foreign interference in Poland's national political decisions to photograph and videograph the foreigners protesting the first post-communist Polish president to have the support of majorities in both houses of the Sejm. You might consider sending them to the new intelligence chief so he might determine if any of these people pose a threat to public order or national security in light of recent Russian tactics in Ukraine to destabilize that nation. (Russian special services troops infiltrated Ukraine in Crimea and the Eastern separatist region and pretended to be political protesters.)

Since this thread is about protests, remember there is a new sheriff in town. It's a new day!

The Times, They Are A-changin'
(with apologies to Robert Zimmerman, A.K.A. Bob Dylan)

polishforums.com/off-topic/random-chat-thread-74400/317/#msg1518352
Nathans
8 Dec 2015  #3
In one sentence, what the demonstrations are about, what do they expect to achieve?
Legal Eagle
8 Dec 2015  #4
It appears that foreigners are protesting the results of free and fair Polish national election, and they wish to discredit the President of Poland and the Sejm.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
8 Dec 2015  #5
Gdańsk and the whole Tri-City and the entire West

And the entire northern hemisphere !!!
NocyMrok
8 Dec 2015  #6
GTFO from our internal decisions. Wanna live in Poland? OK. No problem. You however will not change our country to suit you better. You don't like what it is like here? Fine. Don't come.
Wulkan - | 3,251
8 Dec 2015  #7
I urge all foreigners that care about this country to attend these protests.

Dear foreigners, do not listen to this ill-informed hypocrite.
Legal Eagle
8 Dec 2015  #8
You however will not change our country to suit you better.

Undue foreign influence has proved damaging to Poland throughout its history. The problem is that under the PO regime they changed the citizenship laws and started handing out citizenship without requiring those applying to renounce other citizenships. (PO needed to import more supporters into Poland.) Now PO is out of power and the foreigners are protesting their loss of privilege, and expected changes.
Roger5 1 | 1,458
8 Dec 2015  #9
In Poland there is a right to protest. Americans who propose McCarthyite surveilance show their true undemocratic colours. Most protesters will be Poles exercising their right to protest. Nocy, should Poles living in the UK leave if they do not like the government?
Legal Eagle
8 Dec 2015  #10
It is protesting the democratically elected President and Sejm which is undemocratic. Foreigners who cannot vote in Polish national elections protesting its democratic government is provocative, even if legal. Their is no right not to be photographed at a political protest. Anyone who is sufficiently unhappy living in a foreign country should leave and go home. The same can be said of those holding dual citizenships. FWIW, it was G. W. Bush who was big on domestic surveillance in the U.S. not anyone named McCarthy.
Roger5 1 | 1,458
8 Dec 2015  #11
not anyone named McCarthy.

lol
G (undercover)
8 Dec 2015  #12
The number of "protesters" will be likely like 300. 1/3 of them "expats", 1/3 people living on foreign financed NGOs and the rest PO politicians themselves.

There's nothing to be worry about... what these fools don't understand... it's like with salt... you can improve the meal adding a bit of it but "the more the better" rule doesn't work here. With these hysterical actions, they clearly show who they are, a small clique that doesn't understand democracy.
Legal Eagle
8 Dec 2015  #13
lol

Try Googling J. Edgar Hoover since you are quite confused.

LOL
Roger5 1 | 1,458
8 Dec 2015  #14
Unlike you, I don't need to google. You'd clearly never heard of tranny Joe, had you? (Or am I thinking of JEH?)
G (undercover)
8 Dec 2015  #15
tranny Joe

Don't be so homophobic.
Ironside 47 | 9,624
8 Dec 2015  #16
I urge all foreigners that care about this country do not attend these protests.
Also you should know you would be siding with banksters and extreme lefts nutters.
Roger5 1 | 1,458
8 Dec 2015  #17
G, most trannies are heterosexuals. Ironside, your conspiracy between the left and right sounds familiar. Aren't Jews supposed to be capitalists and communists at the same time? Perhaps PF's humble Catholic expert can enlighten me.
Legal Eagle
8 Dec 2015  #18
You'd clearly never heard of tranny Joe, had you? (Or am I thinking of JEH?)

JEH was the tranny. Senator Eugene McCarthy led the opposition to the Vietnam war, and challenged the president of his own party who executed it, forcing him out of office. The McCarthyites were a short-lived anti-Catholic and anti-French-Canadian political group in Canada in the late 19th century. McCarthyism refers to accusing fellow citizens of being communists or subversives without evidence. Foreigners protesting a national government frequently are subversive, as they attempt to subvert a legitimate, democratically elected government enjoying popular support. (See Ukraine.)
G (undercover)
8 Dec 2015  #19
G, most trannies are heterosexuals.

I guess you know better in this case...

conspiracy between the left and right

Far-left types are often useful idiots of big business, banksters etc. For instance on mass immigration.
Roger5 1 | 1,458
8 Dec 2015  #20
What would you do without Wiki?
mafketis 19 | 7,019
8 Dec 2015  #21
most trannies are heterosexuals

I have no idea how to even begin to parse that sentence....
Ironside 47 | 9,624
8 Dec 2015  #22
Demonstration against Poland organized by traitors.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,449
8 Dec 2015  #23
PO politicians

Although the majority of rank and file PO supporters tend to believe the party's slogans about democracy, freedom and constitutionality, the Platform is a typical sponsored party with a hidden agenda. They are sponsored by Western big-money interests and the party's agenda is to lobby for whatever serves their masters' interests.

In actuality, the average West European has little interest in Poland's internal rows. Why then are the Western media are making such a big fuss about alleged threats to Polish democracy and the prospect of dictatorial rule? It is because such terms as "repolonisation" of banks and media and the prospect of foreign banks and retail concerns paying their fare share of taxes sets off alarm bells in the West's capitalist circles. Germany's media barons who control most of Poland's newspapers/magazine market are especially concerned. All this also puts pressure on chief lobbyist PO for failing to get re-elected and prompts the Platform to demonstrate they are doing everything possible (State Tribunal threats, media attacks, marches, protests, petitions) to destabilise the ruling camp. The average PO supporter sincerely believes his party is fighting for democracy and only the Platformer leadership, political scientists and intelligent observers (including all or most PF-ers) know what the score is.

One should add that the PO function like a well-oiled machine, are very image conscious and spout extremely very smooth, slick and convincing propaganda. By comparison, PiS tend to be rough round the edges, lack finesse and stubbornly pursue at times unrealistic goals. But at least they are sincere and have no hidden sponsors or agendas. In a word, they are on no-one's leash.
Harry
8 Dec 2015  #24
1. Warsaw and the entire country - outside the Constitutional Tribunal, Al.Szucha 12a

I'll certainly be there for that one.

It appears that foreigners are protesting the results of free and fair Polish national election

It might appear that from the west coast of the USA, but here in Poland it is crystal clear that there are a lot of people who are not happy with the way that the government which won the votes of 18% of Polish adults is behaving. Some of these people are not Polish citizens.

they wish to discredit the President of Poland and the Sejm.

There is no need to discredit Duda, he is more than capable of doing that all by himself (for example with his defrauding of the Polish taxpayer and his illegal refusal to swear in judges). As for the Sejm, the ruling crowd there show themselves more and more by the day to be a bunch of clowns.
Marc1986
8 Dec 2015  #25
Delphiandomine, Harry and all Brits/Turkish socialists of this forum trying to organize a failed demonstration against a president ELECTED by the people.

And they say that they are defending democracy? Stop being ridiculous.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,449
8 Dec 2015  #26
Delphiandomine, Harry and all Brits

One wonders whether the Brit Bullies will make even bigger fools of themselves than they do on PF when they set out to overthrow the government. They will most likely brandish bilingual placards proclaiming: Down with the guvermint & Precz z rzondem! Maybe also: Niech żyją Platfusy! It should be quite hilarious.
Dougpol1 30 | 2,840
8 Dec 2015  #27
Gdansk address of protest please Delph.... can't find it:( Probably working, but I would appreciate any help just in case I can be there.
OP delphiandomine 83 | 17,596
8 Dec 2015  #28
My pleasure :

12:00 at Plac Solidarności on Sunday 13/12. If you've got a Facebook account - facebook.com/groups/1053484281363275/

In one sentence, what the demonstrations are about, what do they expect to achieve?

These are essentially demonstrations against the abuse of democracy by the government - not only the crisis over the Constitutional Tribunal and the breaking of the Constitution by the President, but also other many other things - such as the latest ridiculous situation over trying to amend the rules in the Sejm to effectively silence the opposition.

The crucial thing is that there are non-partisan protests organised by a non-partisan group.

I'll certainly be there for that one.

Likewise, I'll certainly be at the one in Poznań along with Polish and non-Polish friends alike. This is our country.
jon357 63 | 14,110
8 Dec 2015  #29
Is the one outside Jaro's house still going ahead?
Ironside 47 | 9,624
8 Dec 2015  #30
Hardly surprising that our usually suspects on PF are siding with traitors, post communist and all kind of left nutters against democratically elected government.
They don't care about will of the nation as expressed in the last election they take side of totalitarian dictate rather that respect democratic choice, the have nothing but contempt for elections that put to power somebody else than their ideological brothers.

At last there is not doubt that their are enemies of the nation and Polish state and any freedom loving individual.


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