Does democratic Poland guarantee it's LGBT citizens respect for human and civil rights?

Indeed, that's where you and your ilk belong -- deeply underground and out of sight of the decent majority!

I think you'll find, Po, that moderate and fairly open-minded people constitute the majority and misanthropic extremist self-haters, like yourself are the ones whining from the margins.

Surely the majority of misfits you rub elbows with. Birds of a feather, etc.

Nope, Po, most people are not obsessives.

The law guarantees it but that doesn't mean it practiced... Poland is far more xenophobic and homophobic than countries like the US, Germany, France, England, etc. Most people prefer to keep it that way

God do I hate MTV.... Although early 1990's Beavis and Butthead's music video commentary was rather entertaining..

Shows like I'm 16 and Pregnant and Jersey Shore exemplify the worst of society.

Vladimir Putin once said coming back from a visit to Austria along the lines of - 'I saw the gays, I saw the transsexuals - we don't want that in our country and that's our choice'

Rights are guaranteed by law in Poland, and this is very much practised and taken seriously.

Yes by the people who belong behind the bars as a common criminals their are.

Under which law, precisely?

Criminal law.

Which 'criminal law' do you believe should be used to put


those whose role is to uphold the law?

The law that prohibits shotrchanging and selling out one's own country and getting hefty kickbacks from exploitative foreign interest groups in return. That fits the PO gang to a T! And sooner or later they will be called to account. You can bring Tusk a cake (with a file inside) when you visit!

Oh, there is plenty to go around. Mainly about money related misdeeds.

The police and prosecutors?

What


and which law?

In Poland human rights are still respected, despite the PiS regime's lack of respect for either law or justice.

I have in mind certain politicians in Warsaw that are particularly protective of all that parades, rainbow related nonsense but some of those after mentioned too - without doubt,


Criminals belong in prison. Their position shouldn't shield them from responsibility for breaking the law.


That is a very easy to say but very difficult to prove.

You stil haven't explained why you think upholding the law is actually breaking it...

We are talking about two different things here. You are talking about such an interpretation of the law that encourages certain parades to take place and I do not deny that they have the right to interested the existing laws in this way.

I'm on the other hand talking about skeletons in their closet as in criminal deeds that should be investigated properly by unbiased investigators. In my opinion such a proper investigation would end their 'careers' and put them behind the bars.

Jon I will tell you from personal experience - the police and the prosecutors don't give a crap about, you, your rights, your property, or anything else... they only start waddling their fat lazy asses once the media or some politician forces them to - and even then its just for show and then things go back to usual several months later. Poland just wants to appear like a Western nation with the same ideals - while gay rights might be protected under law - it doesn't mean that the police are going to stop Catholicism from criticizing homosexuality or from people holding up zakaz pedalowania signs... most Poles do not like gays

That's the problem, post-communist Poland or III RP gave the Stalinist judge who sentenced Łupaszka to death at a rigged kangaroo court an old-age pension of 10,000 zł which he got until he died of old age a coupla years ago. Most Solidarity activists who were interned, beaten, persecuted and blackballed got zero compensation, but those who sentenced, beat and tortured them lived happily ever after on nice fat pensions. That is how the Trzecia Rzesza Pospolita respect the human rights and wellbeing of those who commirtted crimes against the Polish nation whilst ignoring those of their victims. That is among the things the good-change PiS government hope to rectify in Tuskoland.

That doesn't actually have much to do with the issue.

And yes, the rule of law is very much respected in Poland. The legal protection that the law affords all citizens and residents is very real, no matter how much some individuals wish it wasn't.

Since when is fair treatment of everyone not a human right. Yes, all have the protection of the law in theory. Except some citizens, the ones with money, connections and a powerful politcal nachine behind them, somehow fare better in the judicial realm than the poor working stiff with a court-appointed defence councillor.

This much is true, however the law in Poland does afford human and civil rights without regard to sexuality.

Those enagaging in abnormal sexual practices are not jailed, fined or otherwisee prosecuted unelss they commit a crime, so where's the problem. You can't force people to abandon their religious beliefs for the benefit of a 1.2% fringe minority which should not try to promote their aberration nor force it on the public.

Who cares what someone does or doesn't 'believe' as long as they keep their 'beliefs' to themselves.

Who cares what dirty deeds someone does or doesn't do in the privacy of their own homes as long as they don't shove it down the public's throat. The wig, feather and makeup brigade can rent an auditorium or sports hall and march in circles to their hearts' content to the deafening deceibels of tacky techno, but why pollute public space with such garbage?

"Who cares what dirty deeds someone does or doesn't do in the privacy of their own homes"

Well, for a start, you, obviously...:)

"as long as they don't shove it down the public's throat"

Interesting choice of phrase, as ever..:) . You and your sick little fantasies!!

Indeed...


As long as extremist loons spout things like that, either online or more rarely in real life, the response from those they try to deliberately offend (and yes, Po, you try to deliberately offend) will be all the louder.

And the world has consistently moved towards freedom and liberalisation.

Just saying'

Freedom for the lunatic fringe? The way things are moving does not mean it's in the right direction. Not only in the early to mid-1940s (war-time conditions) but already in the 1930s many if not most European countries had fascist or pro-fascistic governments. There are now more broken families as well as drug and HIV-related deaths than in the 1950s. Is that good?

The 'lunatic fringe' are very much those who want to turn the clock back.


'Broken' families? Yes, much better than staying together for the sake of respectability or whatever and making the whole family miserable.


And far fewer deaths from various other reasons.

Technically speaking those you support want to turn the clock back.

Do tell...