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Does democratic Poland guarantee it's LGBT citizens respect for human and civil rights?


InPolska 11 | 1,821
20 Jul 2015 #871
@Johnny: when have I pretended that I'm Polish???? Read my posts! I do live in Poland though. Besides the post deals with homosexuals in Poland not with me ;).

Yes, I can write about it. 1. I live in Poland and 2. I know several (Polish) homosexuals...
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,671
20 Jul 2015 #872
InPolska is certainly not 'pretending to be Polish' - I am sure she is French actually.
As she lives there she is well qualified to comment about LBGT rights in Poland.
InPolska 11 | 1,821
20 Jul 2015 #873
@Rozu: Yes, I am well qualified ;)
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
22 Jul 2015 #874
Merged: Mercy for LGBT activist

GW reports the the Catholic website Fronda.pl wishing God's mercy on LGBT and Greens operative Katarzyna Bienias who was killed by a falling tree during the recent spate of violent weather. "May God forgive her for all the evil she has committed in her lifetime," Fronda said.

wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomosci/1,114871,18402701,gorzkie-kondolencje-frondy-po-smierci-dzialaczki-lgbt-niech.html#TRNajCzytSST
InPolska 11 | 1,821
22 Jul 2015 #875
I read the news last night in GW and I was shocked. It is terrible to die this way. The girl was only 29.
May she rest in peace and my condoleances to her family and friends!
Harry
22 Jul 2015 #876
"May God forgive her for all the evil she has committed in her lifetime," Fronda said.

People like that sicken me. They do nothing other than bring disgrace on Christianity and undo a vast amount of the good work done by the RCC in Poland. I'm sure that Satan is keeping a very special corner of hell particularly warm for them.
InPolska 11 | 1,821
22 Jul 2015 #877
I read Pol too quickly. My goodness! That's what a catholic paper says about a girl who died at the age of 29 in an awful matter!!!! I bet they say it's a punishement ..... How cruel!
jon357 63 | 14,255
22 Jul 2015 #878
It's actually an unpleasant extreme right wing website that most people in Poland have never heard of. And they're (or the pond life who runs it is) just being nasty about someone whose boots he is not fit to lick.

Fronda and its 'readership' have zero influence on human rights legislation in Poland; quite simply nobody listens to them.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
22 Jul 2015 #879
very special corner of hell

It'll probably be right next to yours for all your Church bashing, Christophobia and pro-perversity verbiage!
Polsyr 6 | 769
23 Jul 2015 #880
Fronda.pl

Nobody that I know in real life has even heard of this garbage. Not to worry, their clock is ticking.
Lyzko 24 | 6,809
23 Jul 2015 #881
Hey, gang!

Let's be clear about one thing; diversity = (third-world) immigration = America's historical love of cheap labor. The US has ALWAYS been a nation of the huddles masses. Thing is from huddling together during the first winter at Valley Forge until today, the masses have gotten just a little bit too huddled. Essentially, we have crony capitalism on steroids, all the bequest of Ronald Reagan, America's Patron Saint of Homelessness and Dislocation.

I could go on, but I think I'll stop. There's much more to say.
johnny reb 18 | 3,793
23 Jul 2015 #882
The people in Poland and America are not as easily influence as they once were by the Pope.
His views on Homosexuality and Global Warming have his approval rating dropping fast.
NEW YORK - Two months ahead of his first trip to the U.S., Pope Francis' approval rating among Americans has plummeted, driven mostly by a decline among political conservatives and Roman Catholics, according to a new Gallup poll released Wednesday.

The survey was conducted after the Pope released his bombshell teaching document approving same sex marriage and proclaiming climate change largely man-made and excoriating an economic system he said drives global warming and exploits the poor.

The people of Poland and America are not being influenced by the Pope's teachings that are against
what Christianity stands for.
It is starting to look like it may be a very long time before Poland will guarantee anything to the Gays
besides respecting them as people and disrespecting their morals.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
23 Jul 2015 #883
approving same sex marriage

I am unaware of Pope Francis ever approving same-sex marriage. Have I missed something? He said he could not condemn gays and the sensation-seeking media hyped it up into "Pope supports homosexuality". But that has long been the case. The Church does not condemn homosexuals as such, only their vile, sinful practices, so Francis was not saying anything new..
johnny reb 18 | 3,793
23 Jul 2015 #884
I stand corrected Pol.
You are correct as I read it wrong.
Sorry about that but he did say about the global warming crap.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
23 Jul 2015 #885
global warming cra

Here in Poland and, as far as I know, throuhgout Europe there isn't any noticeable groups of global-warming deniers. In the US it is a leftist-rightist bone of contention.

Same with the gun business -- not many Poles or Europeans are for widepsread gun ownership.
And there is no creationist movement. JP2 made it clear that religion and science are not at loggerheads but complement each other.
Lyzko 24 | 6,809
23 Jul 2015 #886
Nothin' to do, folks, with "right", "left" or "center", but with SCIENCE!!!! Global Warming isn't an opinion, but a proven SCIENTIFIC fact.

Then again, half the southern states don't teach evolution either:-)
LOL
TheOther 5 | 3,886
23 Jul 2015 #887
Then again, half the southern states don't teach evolution either

The whole country is divided over issues like healthcare, gun rights, gay marriage, global warming, immigration, religion and race. Freakin' mess, nothing gets done.
Lyzko 24 | 6,809
23 Jul 2015 #888
Yep. How right you are! That's why many here at home have turned towards Western Europe for guidance. Doesn't seem to have done much good though, on either side:-)
johnny reb 18 | 3,793
23 Jul 2015 #889
Since this has gone totally off thread...............

Then again, half the southern states don't teach evolution either

They taught me that man did not come from an ape and that global warming is a big hoax.
That's what I believe.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
23 Jul 2015 #890
Nobody that I know in real life

Just goes to show the limited circles you run with. Polish society is a rich mosaic of diverse opinions. It's good to hear the views of more than just one segment thereof. If you function only amongst like-minded peers then it can get to be a mutual adoration society with no fresh input.
Polsyr 6 | 769
23 Jul 2015 #891
Very interesting insights. What would you do if you were in my shoes?
Lyzko 24 | 6,809
23 Jul 2015 #892
JohnnyReb, apprarently you still don't understand that, as the Bible was written by humans, humans are infallible, at that time, highly ignorant beings. The pleasant poetry of the Scriptures is nonetheless forever subject to interpretation! Guess you never studied science, or, don't tell me, you were out that day/month/semester:-)

This is not the place for such discussion, please keep to the topic

Apologies there, mods!

@Johnny Reb, I meant to say "human beings are FALLIBLE.." Just a typo. sorry:-)
Polsyr 6 | 769
24 Jul 2015 #893
"The Sejm, Poland's lower house of parliament, has passed the country's first ever transgender recognition legislation"

Source:
thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/214910,Transgender-recognition-voted-into-law

This is a significant step in the right direction for Poland.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
24 Jul 2015 #894
This is a significant step in the right direction for Poland.

Unfortunately, it will probably get vetoed.
Polsyr 6 | 769
24 Jul 2015 #895
Even if it does, it can't get vetoed forever - it will pass during the next political cycle, and Poland is no exception to political cycles. The important thing is that the issue is starting to get attention and build momentum.
johnny reb 18 | 3,793
21 Apr 2016 #896
In the eyes of the British government, the U.S. may now be a risky destination for LGBT travelers.
The British Foreign Office posted a travel advisory update to its website Tuesday warning members of the lesbian gay, bisexual, and transgender communities about anti-LGBT laws passed recently in North Carolina and Mississippi.

Somebody is listening.
Crow 137 | 7,756
21 Apr 2016 #897
what i know LGBT have usually more rights then non-LGBT. In Poland, in my country, everywhere
whocares
22 Apr 2016 #898
LBGT is the most stupid movement I have ever met. Thankfully most Poles are against gay "marriages", animal parades and men pretending to be girls (perverts).

what i know LGBT have usually more rights then non-LGBT. In Poland, in my country, everywhere

Some of the ruling class in the West is homos or pedos.
Crow 137 | 7,756
22 Apr 2016 #899
if humanity continue to follow pervert trends, one day would become moral that man implant penis of the horse or elephant and ask for the rights to publicly call it normal, even to form club of, let`s say `horse penis bearers` (sub-LGBT group). Or, some future woman may want to have lips in form vagina and insist that to become global standard. Future may even found normal for man to desire legs like pig or ears like rabbit.

Changes of moral standards aren`t always progressive.
jon357 63 | 14,255
23 Apr 2016 #900
moral that man implant penis of the horse or elephant

You think so?

Or, some future woman may want to have lips in form vagina

Why not? Some men (and women) might like that. Why would it be a problem for you?

insist that to become global standard.

Why would she insist on that?

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