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Coup d'état taking shape in Poland with Soros in background?


mafketis 23 | 8,521
26 Jul 2017 #31
Maybe instant imprisonment or even execution without worrying about such niceties as a trial?!

I don't think that's a good idea, but I believe in the rule of law, you're the one with a record of pooh poohing the idea...
Harry
26 Jul 2017 #32
Wałęsa said on FB that 15 PiS people hsould be arested and someone passed it on adding three zeroes. I happened to see it online at the 15,000 stage.

I'm calling bullsh*t on that claim. You supported your claim with a link to a source (wiadomosci.dziennik.pl/polityka/artykuly/554283,lech-walesa-wojna-domowa-areszt-jak-uchronic.html) and the Polish original statement. In order for you to be telling the truth about you accidentally repeating what you'd read elsewhere we'd need to believe that you are stupid enough to not read articles you link to and stupid enough to not even read the texts you post here. Or was the problem that you were so tired and emotional after a hard day listening to Radio Maryja talking about a coup that you linked to an article you had read and also wrote something here without reading it.

Why don't you apologise for Popiełuszko's killers and their higher-ups who ordered it?

It wasn't me who was working for them and writing every word they wanted in the Podunk Polish Pig Farmer's Gazette.

In general, loudmouth Anglo-expats should not be allowed to interfere in and pontificate about Poland's internal affairs.

The only expat here is you, as shown by your choice of passport, and the only Anglo-expat here is also you, as shown by your inability to get a Polish passport by descent. You should remember that as an American you are only here as our guest and we can ask you to leave at any time.
Harry
26 Jul 2017 #33
Even if it was only 15, is that how a Nobel Peace Prize winner is supposed to act?

Yes, it is. Criminals should be arrested and then given a fair trial. Ordering the arrest of criminals when nobody else is brave enough to do so is how presidents are supposed to act.

Who was to arrest them?

The forces of law and order; unfortunately it seems that the criminals in question have seized control of the forces of law and order, just as they had done in the dark days of the PRL.

Maybe instant imprisonment or even execution without worrying about such niceties as a trial?!

Those were the hallmarks of the regime which the former Warsaw correspondent of the Podunk Polish Pig Farmer's Gazette used to support without question, so given that PIS want to turn the clock back to the days of the PRL, they wouldn't be able to complain about being purged. Although personally I'm very much looking forward to seeing them get their fair trial.
nothanks - | 640
26 Jul 2017 #34
Please don't take whatever you're hearing from America about Soros seriously

There is not much coming from America. His involvement with the left is very rarely presented by (left) media. Makes sense

Soros is physically barred from nations in Africa & Europe and has been for decades. USA is arriving late to the party but $$$ will always talk in America before heritage or culture
Harry
27 Jul 2017 #35
Soros is physically barred from nations in Africa & Europe and has been for decades.

Really? Would you care to name some of the nations in Europe which you claim Soros is "physically barred from"? Or is your claim simply as laughable as those about a Coup d'état taking shape in Poland with Soros in background?
jon357 63 | 15,045
27 Jul 2017 #36
Or is your claim simply as laughable as those about a Coup d'état taking shape in Poland with Soros in background?

Yes. Risible, even.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
27 Jul 2017 #37
the rule of law

All politicians, not only in Poland, usually claim they are following the rule of law or the constitution when it suits their agenda and accuse their opponents of violating them when it's expedient. PO was in violaltion of the constitution when ahead of hteri expected defeat at the polls they illicitly appointed Tribunal members in summer 2015 to be able to stack the body and knock down all PiS legislation. The Polish constitution bans judges from belonging to political parties as well as engaging in poltical or public affairs. That is said to be a guarantee of their independee and impartiality. But last years' judges assembly turned into a all-out anti-PiS political rally. PO-appointed Tribunal members have regularly attended anti-government poltical rallies. Even worse, Małgorzata Gersdorf, Chief Judge of the Supreme Court, shared the stage during the recent demos with protesters caling for the overthrow of the government. Comrade Gersdorf, which paragraph of the constitution legitimises putsches and coups? The bottom line is that all politicans bend the law, but only hypocrites claim that only their opponents do!

oarites and ENAGING IN POLTICAL ACTIVITEStis theri agenda
mafketis 23 | 8,521
27 Jul 2017 #38
PO was in violaltion of the constitution when ahead of hteri expected defeat at the polls they illicitly appointed Tribunal members in summer 2015 to be able to stack the body and knock down all PiS legislation

Two judges, was the ruling, the other three were completely legitimate appointees. Then the president proceded to violate the constitution by not swearing them in in favor of a bunch of vvhorehouse appointments made by PiS.

Rule of law doesn't mean that a governing party doesn't make mistakes - it just means there are checks and balances to correct governmnet mistakes.

Please enlighten me on the checks and balances found in PiS's "reform".

And again, would you be comfortable with a party you don't like in power having that "reform" in place?
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
27 Jul 2017 #39
break the Polish constitution

Like all the judges who engaged in opposition polticsal demos and rallies including the High Court's president, What's-her-face? Gerstein, Gersberg, Gersblum or whatever.
jon357 63 | 15,045
27 Jul 2017 #40
Then the president proceded to violate the constitution by not swearing them in in favor of a bunch of vvhorehouse appointments made by PiS.

That should be enough to impeach him.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
27 Jul 2017 #41
Soro

Soros is another favourite of HB's whom he will defend him to the death. He is an anarcho-libertine leftist using his wealth to spread that toxic ideology worldwide. Moreover Soros is of the ethnicity HB loves best. One wonders why HB is afraid to answer the simple question: R U 1 2? There's nothing to be ashamed of.
Harry
27 Jul 2017 #42
Then the president proceded to violate the constitution by not swearing them in in favor of a bunch of vvhorehouse appointments made by PiS.

A crime which will either see him going to prison or giving evidence against the man who ordered him to commit the crime: First Secretary Kaczynski.

That should be enough to impeach him.

Given the control exercised over the Party members by First Secretary Kaczynski, it won't be enough to impeach him until after the next election, not unless there actually is a coup anyway.

One wonders why HB is afraid to answer the simple question: R U 1 2? There's nothing to be ashamed of.

One wonders why the mods allow you to get away with your ceaseless off-topic ad hom trolling and other breaches of the rules which they are quite happy to ban other people for even asking about.
mafketis 23 | 8,521
27 Jul 2017 #43
why HB is afraid to answer the simple question: R U 1 2?

Why not just openly ask "Harry! Are you a Jew?" or do you not like how that looks when spelled out?
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
27 Jul 2017 #44
doesn't make mistake

What about the constitutionality of judges including Comrade Gersdorf sharing centre stage at political rallies with protesters calling for the overthrow of the government? Today's judges are extremely partisan when they should be poltically neutral. How can a judge be indpendent when he/she sides with some poltical party or protest movement?
Sparks11 - | 335
27 Jul 2017 #45
jews arent scheming to take down governments. if someone is a jew it doesnt automatically mean they support other jews. R U retarded?
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
27 Jul 2017 #46
off-topic ad hom trolling

You mean like North Delaware Polish Pig Farmers' Gazette or PiSlamic state or slandering posters by accusing them of commie collaboration whilst trying to whitewash true TWs such as Wałęsa, Balcerowicz, Rzepliński, etc. Someow the mods turn a blind eye to such abuses!!!!
Harry
27 Jul 2017 #47
Comrade Gersdorf

Why are you changing the name of a public figure?

centre stage at political rallies with protesters calling for the overthrow of the government?

Firstly the rallies are not calling for the overthrow of the government: they are calling for the government to respect the rule of law. Secondly the event are mostly organised by in part a number of political parties and are therefore not supporting any particular political party. But it's understandable that you claim they are political, given that you also repeat the laughable claim that Soros is supporting a planned coup.

You mean like North Delaware Polish Pig Farmers' Gazette or PiSlamic state

The phrase PiSlamic State by definition cannot be ad hom and do feel free to quote me saying here than any member of PF wrote for that publication.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
27 Jul 2017 #48
not calling for the overthrow

There were plenty of calls to overthrow the governmnet including Schetyna's admission that a putsch attempt had occurred last December and adding in July. "We must again be ready to move." Also heard was: "The government must be taken out (trzeba wyłączyć rząd - in the original), The Broniatowski & Kramek act calling for a Maidan style upheaval was not cricised or condemned by the "total opposition" even though it included step by step instruxtions on how to carry out a coup. Setting up thug squads and depriving the government, Sejm and president's office of electrical power were just 2 of the 16 suggestions. Whatever the pretext (presidential pardon, logging, dead horses, Constitutional Tribunal, anti-terrorist legislation, educational reform, etc., since Oct. 2015 seizing power at all costs was and continues to be the PO's sole concern and objective.

cutions on hwo tog o abotu it: ste up self-rpotection swquads, deprive the Sjem, hgvoenremtn and presidnce office of electric power ot mention jsut tow points.hcetyna's usievne using the term putsch,
Harry
27 Jul 2017 #49
There were plenty of calls to overthrow the governmnet

Really? So quote three made from a stage on which a judge was. Either that or just admit that as usual you're just parroting the latest talking point you've heard on Radio Maybach, just as you did when you claimed that Soros supports a planned coup in Poland.

ste up self-rpotection swquads, deprive the Sjem, hgvoenremtn and presidnce office of electric power ot mention jsut tow points

Compared to your claims about Soros supporting a planned coup in Poland that is an eloquent serious statement.
Wulkan - | 3,251
5 Sep 2017 #50
White House petition about very well known malicious individual George Soros goes viral.

youtube.com/watch?v=Cj0DQWD3Jqc
gregy741 4 | 1,204
5 Sep 2017 #51
for those who understand polish language..very strong documentary about attempted coup by opposition traitors(shocking that this happened in Poland):
youtube.com/watch?v=bqE3ODfNvzs&t=14s
cms 9 | 1,271
5 Sep 2017 #52
Shameful nonsense from white supremacists.

Can you give any examples of the prescribed terroritst organisations he has funded according to your vile video ?

What are his proven Nazi ties, given that he was 9 years old when the war started ? Do you really believe he was an officer in the elite SS ?

Find some other forum full of your equally inadequate white supremacist friends in order to post this comedy.
Wulkan - | 3,251
5 Sep 2017 #53
Shameful nonsense from white supremacists.

Do you always have to bring race to the conversation? don't be such a racist.

BLM or Antifa.
He was 14 yo when he did all the bad things, why don't you watch the interview when he says it himself, are you going to deny that too?

Nobody ever said that. Feel free to quote me or anyone else though.
Another racist nonsense from your side, shame on you.
jon357 63 | 15,045
5 Sep 2017 #54
your vile video ?

A fair description.

Find some other forum full of your equally inadequate white supremacist friends in order to post this comedy.

Quite.
nothanks - | 640
6 Sep 2017 #55
He is wasting his time in Poland. If a polak is disillusioned with Poland, then they head West. Individuals born in the West have nowhere to go for more progressiveness, so they stay put and cause problems [Antifa/Blacklivesmatter]

In general, Polish men are too masculine to agree with most of what Soros preaches.
Wulkan - | 3,251
6 Sep 2017 #56
Polish men are too masculine

"quite", one of the reasons why jon likes Poland so much.

Would be great if his organisations in Poland would be delegalized like in Hungary.
cms 9 | 1,271
6 Sep 2017 #57
What does Soros preach that you disagree with so much ? Any concrete examples ?
nothanks - | 640
7 Sep 2017 #58
From what I have seen his organizations preach open borders. He has been accused of financially supporting violent groups that cause chaos in White majority nations.
cms 9 | 1,271
7 Sep 2017 #59
Is that it ? The reason for such approbrium ? And it follows from this that he is planning a coup ?

He does indeed support open borders within the EU but then according to Rzeczpospolita recent poll so do a clear majority of Poles - they like the opportunity to work and study and trade with 27 other democracies.

I doubt you can find a quote from him saying all borders worldwide should be open. Probably you can find some quotes that he thinks people should show compassion to refugees - understandable since he was a refugee himself.

He has been accused of financially supporting violence ? Yes, by the usual nutjobs and bigots but there is no evidence of this.

My guess is you are not familiar at all with what he is and the ways he has made his money (not all savoury) and the ways he has used it (generally good) but you are merely parrotting the nonsense of the racist right websites and the barmy propaganda of Fidesz and PiS.


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